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December 26, 2019, 06:16:33 AM
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hi all

I’m going to reveal to authorities and community how Binance platform weakness might seriously affect your money balance because of well documented outages during peak market activity, that as happened to me, might leads do big money loss for improper positions liquidation!

Simply, Binance Trading Platform “freezes” for up to minutes stopping to update market data flow (ticker price and order book) misleading your orders issue/confirmation and actual market position, causing unwanted situations (such as futures liquidation) and missing-out market sudden movements!

I’m currently writing a detailed white-paper about Binance platform outages to be sent to main authorities such as
- EBA (European Bank Authority
- EIOPA (Consumer protection & financial innovation)
- ODEC (Digital Age Financial Consumer Protection)
- SEC (US Securities and Exchange Commission)
- CONSOB (Italian National Commission fo Financial Markets Supervision)

...and of course all the crypto-space community!

As Binance support ignored my well documented complaints without any respect, any help spreading these informations is welcome.

Binance is playing with our money running their platform over undersized shared IT resources at AWS instead managing their own full controlled data centres, as expected from the alleged world’s leading crypto exchange...

Feel free to contact me by PM for further explanations at any time.

TBC.
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December 26, 2019, 06:24:17 AM
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Thanks for the fair warning, but do you think it will be better to contact them directly though?

https://twitter.com/binance

CZ is pretty much very active, perhaps you can get his attention about your 'detailed white paper about Binance". Best of luck!!!

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December 26, 2019, 06:32:57 AM
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You're asking to spread information but really you're just saying "Binance runs on AWS" without any proof or explanation why that's bad.

And if you're really contacting all those agencies then boasting about it publicly is probably not the best approach.
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December 26, 2019, 07:29:41 AM
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Binance is playing with our money running their platform over undersized shared IT resources at AWS instead managing their own full controlled data centres, as expected from the alleged world’s leading crypto exchange...
You need to grow up. They can run on a $35 raspberry Pi for all they want. That is not something that the government is concerned. The market and its participants are there to handle the situation.

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December 26, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
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Thanks for the fair warning, but do you think it will be better to contact them directly though?

https://twitter.com/binance

CZ is pretty much very active, perhaps you can get his attention about your 'detailed white paper about Binance". Best of luck!!!

I'll certainly do it.
I did send a couple of tweets privately to CZ first;
further posts to the public channel will be based even on how it react
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December 26, 2019, 09:38:52 AM
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You're asking to spread information but really you're just saying "Binance runs on AWS" without any proof or explanation why that's bad.

And if you're really contacting all those agencies then boasting about it publicly is probably not the best approach.


contacting the authorities is just the 1st step of the strategy; I believe it must be done to create a sort of officiality to the claim.

The big financial authorities will most likely do nothing in short term even with a well documented evidence of the lack of security of a platform handling billions….

At least they have being warned how Binance manages their customer money before any follow-up of the company.

Basically they are the public guarantors towards investors and the technical aspect in this case has a certain relevance.

Anyhow, I believe that the real power of the protest lies in the power of the free uncensored community.
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December 26, 2019, 09:47:44 AM
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Binance is playing with our money running their platform over undersized shared IT resources at AWS instead managing their own full controlled data centres, as expected from the alleged world’s leading crypto exchange...
You need to grow up. They can run on a $35 raspberry Pi for all they want. That is not something that the government is concerned. The market and its participants are there to handle the situation.

exactly!
as I've explained in my prev reply, the power is in the community!

Binance is a Chinese company and they certainly reason based on their cultural background, where censorship may manipulate "high-power" responsibility.

Unfortunately for them, this model wouldn’t works here and they will discover that even reply to a small user complaint matters.
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December 26, 2019, 02:09:52 PM
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Binance is a Chinese company and they certainly reason based on their cultural background, where censorship may manipulate "high-power" responsibility.

Binance has high liquidity, low fees and under 2 BTC/day they don't ask for KYC.
Whether we like it or not, this is all most traders may care about.

If the problems would be so big and annoying, people would leave.


About contacting the authorities.. Binance is in Malta nowadays, which afaik has quite a lax legislation. So .. good luck with that. If you have a proper concern, CZ is still your best chance.

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December 27, 2019, 02:04:21 AM
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Binance is a Chinese company and they certainly reason based on their cultural background, where censorship may manipulate "high-power" responsibility.

Binance has high liquidity, low fees and under 2 BTC/day they don't ask for KYC.
Whether we like it or not, this is all most traders may care about.

If the problems would be so big and annoying, people would leave.


About contacting the authorities.. Binance is in Malta nowadays, which afaik has quite a lax legislation. So .. good luck with that. If you have a proper concern, CZ is still your best chance.


Mate, I remind you that Malta is a member of European Union and despite their efforts to act as an off-shore paradise (such as Luxembourg and Cyprus...) they are subject to the same regulations, directives and control authorities of Germany, France, Italy etc...

I don’t want to discuss the whole Binance project and their effective marketing (that attracted me too); rather my goal is to focus on the the inefficiency of their tech infrastructure!

AWS can be considered the industry-standard solution for cloud storage, streaming services and music libraries, but being a shared infrastructure, definitely they cannot guarantee the computational resources required by mission-critical tasks, such as support sudden high market activities;

and everybody should easily figure out how delayed charts and/or missing order confirmations could lead to real disasters for investors!

In my deep intra-day trading activity, I've discovered that the platform often "freezes" for a few seconds (up to 1 minute) during volumes accelerations, that for high-leveraged trading it's simply destructive.

Even remembering te recent hack they suffered, I simply believe that with their huge number of users base (and incomes...) they must quickly build a geo-distributed redounded network of proprietary data centres, with 100% reserved resources and full autonomous technical/OpSec management, I mean, such as Facebook (and many others) already does since years.

Meanwhile, they should recognise their current weakness compensate damages suffered by their platform outages. Easy enough to agree, isn't it?

Last week I’ve suffered a margin liquidation on futures wallet due to an outage as above, kicking me rudely off from the market right while a long-awaited 1000 points volatility wave was beginning and ready to ride…
 
My immediate complaint brought to a delayed disrespectful evasive answer based to the most typical Chinese strategy to sort-out economic issues, well known as the "Sorry Sir” model...

Finally today, after having seen my first public actions, they offered as compensation a "free a VIP+1 plan for one month"... quite offensive, but al least they formally recognised their fault!

Up to you to evaluate without prejudice if my anger is well motivated or just an effect of my frustration.

BTW, initially I’ve formally asked for a 5000 USDT compensation, risen to 2 BTC after their today’s offer... but of course I’m aware I’ll never see a cent!

As I didn't get any reply writing directly to CZ, I'll follow your suggestion to tweet to official Binance forum!

I'll keep you updated
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December 27, 2019, 02:54:58 AM
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AWS can be considered the industry-standard solution for cloud storage, streaming services and music libraries, but being a shared infrastructure, definitely they cannot guarantee the computational resources required by mission-critical tasks, such as support sudden high market activities;

That's pretty much the opposite of reality. AWS resources can be scaled up quickly and seamlessly unlike a server rack. You're also overestimating how much hardware a site like Binance really needs. It's nowhere near facebook scale. That's not to say they don't have scalability issues but you're not really proving that.
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December 27, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
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AWS can be considered the industry-standard solution for cloud storage, streaming services and music libraries, but being a shared infrastructure, definitely they cannot guarantee the computational resources required by mission-critical tasks, such as support sudden high market activities;

That's pretty much the opposite of reality. AWS resources can be scaled up quickly and seamlessly unlike a server rack. You're also overestimating how much hardware a site like Binance really needs. It's nowhere near facebook scale. That's not to say they don't have scalability issues but you're not really proving that.


just a curiosity bud: what's would be the magic trigger to scale up on-premises resources just at the moment when market suddenly centuplicate his activity in a matter of seconds? Because you are aware that BTC market works like this aren't you?

It's almost sleeping flat/sideway for days or weeks till "exploding" in flash deep&spikes sequences, mostly handled by bots and stop orders...

With unpredictable behaviours like this, even a full cage of dedicated racks would most likely result undersized during sudden market moves, even considering the huge flood of data multiplied by the hundreds of altcoins that Binanace generously handles, "exploding" all at once with millions of connected users queued awaiting for their turn of data flowing thru a bottleneck...

Then, I'm curious to understand why TradingView (that don't run on AWS) never hangs during these critical overloads and their data streams are always pretty fluid in real-time while Binance in a side-by-side window is totally frozen!

How to prove that Binance platform locks? Just my word sorry, and most likely the witness of many other day traders (that are welcome to contribute);
I don't really think to be the only one affected...

BTW in in the ticket conversation itself with Binance full of “sorry" and admissions they have to improve, implicitly they recognised their platform overloads,
otherwise, if they knew they were perfect, why to offer me a such generous compensation of one month free upscaled commissions tier?

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December 27, 2019, 03:47:43 PM
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Thanks for the fair warning, but do you think it will be better to contact them directly though?

https://twitter.com/binance

CZ is pretty much very active, perhaps you can get his attention about your 'detailed white paper about Binance". Best of luck!!!

I'll certainly do it.
I did send a couple of tweets privately to CZ first;
further posts to the public channel will be based even on how it react

You should do everything in public. Why? So everything will be transparent here.

And people loves to see CZ reaction? So why make it private then? It will be you chance, that is if they acknowledge their wrong doings in the first place.

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December 27, 2019, 05:34:55 PM
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Thanks for the fair warning, but do you think it will be better to contact them directly though?

https://twitter.com/binance

CZ is pretty much very active, perhaps you can get his attention about your 'detailed white paper about Binance". Best of luck!!!

I'll certainly do it.
I did send a couple of tweets privately to CZ first;
further posts to the public channel will be based even on how it react

You should do everything in public. Why? So everything will be transparent here.

And people loves to see CZ reaction? So why make it private then? It will be you chance, that is if they acknowledge their wrong doings in the first place.

sure, I agree
a public board would be the most productive way
and transparency is always appreciated by community.
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December 27, 2019, 05:54:04 PM
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Binance has high liquidity, low fees and under 2 BTC/day they don't ask for KYC.
Whether we like it or not, this is all most traders may care about.

If the problems would be so big and annoying, people would leave.

Binance certainly was able to deliver what most users wanted. Traders and crypto enthusiasts don't care about AWS or whatever. If they do, they will just buy and withdrawal the funds.


About contacting the authorities.. Binance is in Malta nowadays, which afaik has quite a lax legislation. So .. good luck with that. If you have a proper concern, CZ is still your best chance.

They are expanding and moving to different countries. Maybe if there is a so huge problem as esol is suggesting, they could be stopped in US or other European countries. But that wouldn't change much, and binance would still be one of the best (or the best) exchange out there even if they would be limited to binance.com with no fiat pairs.

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