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January 01, 2020, 03:19:00 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!


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January 01, 2020, 03:42:56 PM
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I have heard of a number of cases where Binance froze their accounts, they reported that money was investigated by a police in a certain country, These cases can not get money back, because users are difficult to prove the source of money. their.
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January 01, 2020, 03:48:13 PM
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Many of the BTCs in the market have already been traded for illegal purposes many years ago and these BTCs were traded in Binance as well as other normal exchanges. Consdering that there was no such rule last year, can I not sell BTC I bought last year because of the new year's rule? If I was not able to sell, why was it offering such support last year? Or will Binance produce a new BTC in return? this rule is just bullshit.
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January 01, 2020, 04:17:15 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

Thing is, could you eve prove that you are not the hacker who stole the money in the first place, i mean if you were the hacker, wouldn't you say you bought it OTC. This is the main reason i don't buy OTC, i don't want to suddenly be tied up in terrorism or something illegal.
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January 01, 2020, 04:19:16 PM
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Or put your coins to a wallet where you have total control of the private keys.

If you allow yourself to leave or store you coins in an exchanges, changes are you're going to lost it one way or another. Maybe your account being hack, or the exchanges itself being breach by cyber criminals, or worst your account being frozen for suspicion. It doesn't matter if it's Binance, as long as it is a centralised exchanges wherein you don't have the private keys, it is not safe.

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January 01, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
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well, i got suprised about it, i mean about binance. because i never heard any issues before.
this is really dissapoint,reputable exchange do something like that. i just have opinion right now, what will happen on the future of central exchange ?
did people will choose decentral exchange after such thing like this happened ? of course, for me binance dex is not really decentral exchange.

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January 01, 2020, 04:23:40 PM
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must classify cases clearly in order to be separate understandings from one case to another. In the latter case, binance froze user assets because it violated policy rules regarding the mixing process of wassabi wallets, and that also only happened in binance Singapore .

all will remain safe if we continue to adjust to the applicable TOS and avoid sensitive options that have the potential to cause problems.
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This is exactly why I think centralized exchanges will be a thing of the past soon for trading cryptocurrencies. Of course that derivative Bitcoin products will still be traded on centralized exchanges like CMEs and Bakkt, but I expect that in the next couple of years most of the spot cryptocurrency transactions to be made through true decentralied exchanges, not on the actual "DEXes" that are all over the place nowadays - which are not 100% decentralized.

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January 01, 2020, 04:33:16 PM
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How did you get the dirty bitcoins?

If you have dirty coins always use some mixer to clean your coins before you send it to any  exchanges this is the best you can do now if you don't want to ban in some exchanges like binance mix your coins first before you transfer.

Block halving is done.,, But price is not the same as what the price of Bitcoin before.
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This is where decentralised exchanges come in, unfortunately most decentralised exchanges in existence now do not have the liquidity to support professional trading, I am hoping that this is one aspect of the Cryptocurrency sphere that would be changing this year because the complaints are seriously getting out of hands.

We are trusting our funds in the hands of several individuals and in some cases, anonymous individuals like in the case if Hitbtc and we don't even know who to hold accountable anytime they pull off stunts like this.
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January 01, 2020, 04:41:54 PM
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This is probably an unpopular opinion here.

I actually support the move of freezing accounts with BTC's coming from suspected illegal sources. There was an instance when Binance freezed an account because it belongs to a hacker. During that time, everyone's praising Binance for doing their responsibility in fighting hacks. I don't remember anyone rasing concern about a centralized exchange blocking a users fund.
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January 01, 2020, 04:43:29 PM
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Or put your coins to a wallet where you have total control of the private keys.

If you allow yourself to leave or store you coins in an exchanges, changes are you're going to lost it one way or another. Maybe your account being hack, or the exchanges itself being breach by cyber criminals, or worst your account being frozen for suspicion. It doesn't matter if it's Binance, as long as it is a centralised exchanges wherein you don't have the private keys, it is not safe.

yes, unless you have the private keys to a particular wallet you dont
have any control over the contents.

exchange wallets can seem like a secure place especially when you
create your password and 2FA authetication but you have to realise
the exchange can do whatever they want with your coins!

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I guess many crypto users already know the disadvantages of using centralized exchanges... Hopefully this reaches to those that unaware of some of the implications. By the way, it's not a good idea to keep more than you can afford to lose on centralized exchanges. People should  follow the narrow path and not what everyone else is doing.



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January 01, 2020, 04:57:18 PM
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How did you get the dirty bitcoins?

If you have dirty coins always use some mixer to clean your coins before you send it to any  exchanges this is the best you can do now if you don't want to ban in some exchanges like binance mix your coins first before you transfer.


don't you think the exchange will look at it as a dirty coin as well because it has not history except its mixed?

i wanna test the exchanges though if they will freeze my account after depositing dirty coin worth $50. i however don't have a dirty coin. but i'd be amaze if they will indeed freeze my account with just too little to bother. and will they ever allow me to once again create a new account submitting the same KYC.


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we really have to have a handle in fiat form, because investing with all funds owned is also not good because if there are mistakes in investing we still have a savings fund which certainly can still be used to invest again or for daily needs

 
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January 01, 2020, 05:13:43 PM
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don't you think the exchange will look at it as a dirty coin as well because it has not history except its mixed?

i wanna test the exchanges though if they will freeze my account after depositing dirty coin worth $50. i however don't have a dirty coin. but i'd be amaze if they will indeed freeze my account with just too little to bother. and will they ever allow me to once again create a new account submitting the same KYC.

Most exchanges still allow for mixed coins to be traded and don't do extremely deep analysis into TXes yet, so at the moment mixing coins up one or a few times should be enough. As for your account potentially being frozen for the equivalent of $50, it's still definitely possible if you're absolutely sure that the coins you have are tainted and if the exchange is serious about stopping potential criminals from cashing out their ill-gotten funds. You shouldn't be able to open a new account with the same KYC documents though, because I imagine that becomes blacklisted and you'll likely have to register from a new IP and clear the site cookies as well.
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January 01, 2020, 05:17:19 PM
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this is a big problem with centralized exchanges. I have not heard about cases of freezing money because of suspicions that the money is dirty, but if we think logically, such situations are possible. I do not hold much money on the exchange. You long term hodl money, of course, should be on a cold wallet


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Centralized exchange is an alternative way to change assets to fiat or vice versa. I am sure in the future there will be a truly decentralized exchange in accordance with the true objectives of the crypto. maybe for the time being for traders, it is legitimate to keep a portion of it in a centralized exchange, because it is suitable for taking profits quickly. and for holders or long-term investments, storing it in a personal wallet is the most appropriate way. the fact now that crypto needs someone to trust (like a centralized exchange). without it, we have difficulties.

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January 01, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!
You're right about keeping ones money/coin in ones hands because exchange site can have any situation which would lead to user loosing his fund. But, we can't blame Binance and other KYC/AML exchange freezing users who get a "dirty" BTC into his account because that what the KYC/AML scheme are all about.





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January 01, 2020, 05:48:57 PM
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It is reported that exchanges began to freeze accounts for having been on the accounts of a "dirty" Bitcoin. Moreover, we are talking about Binance and about the Bitcoin, which was there 5 months ago. Sad Thus, exchanges can freeze any amount of funds in order to cover cash gaps simply by tinkering with their user's transaction history. If suddenly a user once bought from someone a “dirty” BTC on OTC, send it on the exchange and then conducted operations with other BTC there for a long time, then at one moment he can get a ban and the exchange can don't give him money as much time Exchange wants.  Embarrassed I think it can affect everyone. so I share this info with you guys because I recommend you hold your money ONLY in your own wallets! so be careful and Happy New Year!

You are right that you should always keep your funds in your wallets. As for exchanges and account blocking, I believe that this is not correct and violates the terms of the user agreement. Why do not the exchanges begin to behave honestly with users and give initially all the truthful information. And so it turns out you work, and then bam and you have a blocked account. This is a very bad signal, which can lead to the departure of traders from exchanges that block accounts.

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