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January 04, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
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Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

Their manipulation is limited, much more than you think. Try to think, what would happen if one wanted to sell 1M BTC?

First, its not possible to do in a single operation, every tiny little operation will affect the price.

So as the sell order is placed, people would start buying pieces of it lowering the price, the other sellers in the market will adjust so the whale would need to as well, again and again and again until the whole 1M gets sold. This is not instantaneous. Even if he started selling at 7k, who knows what price it would reach on average at the end.

You think he can just buy back again? The same process repeats in reverse, you will probably end losing more than having done nothing.

Market manipulation is not as magical as some people seem to think. And yes, whales have tried, and failed.

Dump to 100$ is nearly impossible at this point it would take too long and the rush to buy back those coins would simply not allow it to reach that low. Again, you cannot just sell 1M BTC in a single operation, ignoring the legal formalities.

The free market is incredibly reliable, far better than any sort of State intervention. Pump and dump is something a whale may pull out with a little new altcoin, perhaps even in the very beginning of bitcoin, but not anymore.

Suppose all Satoshi coins are put for sale, that would still not be enough to "crash" Bitcoin, it simply doesn't work that way. The cheaper it gets, the higher the pressure to buy.

Market manipulation exists, but its much more limited than you think, thanks to this thing called "peers" (everyone else) it does self regulate itself. Especially when its something highly wanted, unlike some obscure altcoin.

Pump Bitcoin to 1M? There is just not enough money in the world for that. If you do your homework, you will notice that each "pump" and "dump" cycle is less and less % of Bitcoin's price over time, as the coin gets in the hands of more people, their manipulation ability shrinks. Of all the coins out there, bitcoin is the less manipulable, which in turns makes it more trusted. Maturity they call it.

The problem with some theorists is that everything works by magic inside their minds. Such as a perfect State controlled economy devoid of the "Evil" market forces. Until you try it, that is... And their arguments against the free market are just as absurd. If you are afraid of the free market, go ahead and move into one of the last "socialist" countries, see if you like living with a couple of USD per month, no healthcare, no education, no security, rampant corruption, shortages etc...

The freedom of bitcoin price ensures that, whatever price it has at any given point, it is a "true" price. Peg a coin artificially to any arbitrary price, and all you do is build pressure against a dam waiting to overflow... And once it does (and it will) it will take everything on its path...

The only alternative to freedom is even more freedom. More exchanges, more decentralization, etc. Speculate all you want, doesn't mean you can pull it out outside of your mind. But the fact that you can, is what ensures everything works. The moment the State intervenes, everything starts breaking apart. Luckily, bitcoin is immune to state intervention, which also gives you the freedom to, go ahead and try manipulating the market, see how long you can get.

I am absolutely sure, even if all whales tried selling bitcoin right now, it would still not crash it. A bit of fluctuation and a lot of action, yes, but never destruction as you claim it. Bitcoin is simply too useful for too many to fail like that, its only inside your imagination.

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January 04, 2020, 04:09:02 PM
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Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

When they manipulated it on lowest price then it will be sure that some veteran for crypto consuming and manipulating it so they can also be the part of top holders. Then the bitcoin would be pump by the price. That's why it would never be shit coin when there are demand from this world.

They could manipulate bitcoin but they'll do it on process because they can also lose bitcoin when they do wrong.

I agree. We can say that the market begins to synergize between large and small players, creating a single mechanism in which the price depends on each participant. In such a run, only inexperienced and stressful traders lose
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January 04, 2020, 04:13:17 PM
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yeah this market seems to be manipulated by people who hold huge amounts of bitcoins, so it leads to a very difficult market for traders or holders to make a profit, technical analysis accounts for only 50% The remaining 50% depends on the psychology of the people who called whales, you can see that matic is an example
It's an open market and the competition is really open to everyone specially to those people who have a lot of money. They can manipulate the market if they want to because it has no limit to everyone. Whales are not exempted with the manipulation everyone can manipulate as long as they have the right amount to get in the competition.

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January 04, 2020, 11:59:15 PM
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Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.
I don't think so lol. Even for a whales, it will not be able to make the price of Bitcoin to that number. Someone needs at least trillions of dollars to make BTC prices go up to 1 million dollars lol. Plus, BTC is not a coin made for pump and dump.

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January 05, 2020, 12:23:54 AM
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this is the crypto market, who owns most of the crypto (including bitcoin), they control it. crypto decentralized system makes freedom to hold unlimited assets. so the market also has freedom in controlling prices. the technology that bitcoin brings is good, but the crypto market has its own story.
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January 05, 2020, 08:14:29 AM
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this is the crypto market, who owns most of the crypto (including bitcoin), they control it. crypto decentralized system makes freedom to hold unlimited assets. so the market also has freedom in controlling prices. the technology that bitcoin brings is good, but the crypto market has its own story.
That's right, freedom is one of the right reasons for those who want to have crypto especially bitcoin and without limits.
they control prices in different ways and those who have large quantities of crypto or bitcoin have a big role in the market situation.

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January 05, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
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this is the crypto market, who owns most of the crypto (including bitcoin), they control it. crypto decentralized system makes freedom to hold unlimited assets. so the market also has freedom in controlling prices. the technology that bitcoin brings is good, but the crypto market has its own story.
That's right, freedom is one of the right reasons for those who want to have crypto especially bitcoin and without limits.
they control prices in different ways and those who have large quantities of crypto or bitcoin have a big role in the market situation.
but I think to manipulate the market will not be easy, especially if they manipulate on a large scale. if manipulation of the market on a small scale maybe they can still do that, and I think it will definitely not be easy because competition will continue to occur and large funders are not just one person. surely they have different ways to look for profit in the market.

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January 05, 2020, 01:09:29 PM
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I agree with you that the price of bitcoin has been manipulated by the holder of the pope bitcoin most they can do whatever they want them to control the price of bitcoin on the market and make the market does not normally even price can be directly dropped dramatically and drastically increases have already occurred where BTC in years 2017 BTC soared and plummeted in the years 2018–2019.


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January 05, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
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I'm sure you posted this due to the recent pump which went nearly 2 hundred up yesterday, which is a clear sign of manipulating just looking how long that line is, suggesting that a whale must have entered the market and flooded the purchase orders. Then it's only going sideways for at least 10 hours now with no signs of increasing demand, maybe taking a recent dump because it was considered a degree of resistance, then another potential whale pump. This market is definitely manipulated
market manipulation can still be done if they have a lot of capital and also support price movements, maybe it can happen easily when the time is right and also has a lot of capital. if we follow then we must know the time to start and also the time to stop and accuracy is also needed, but if we do not want to take risks it is better to stay away from the market at such times.

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January 05, 2020, 02:50:28 PM
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Definitely the market of bitcoin is manipulated by people with enough bitcoin. The entire network of bitcoin is decentralized and anyone can influence the market if the person owns enough bitcoin. It is very difficult to see someone buying 1 bitcoin on an instant. This means if you have 100bitcoins, you can easily determine the market value of bitcoin on a particular exchange platform for weeks.

It really isn't hard at all. The wonders of a public blockchain will show you that every 10 minutes or so (every block, rather), there's a transaction of 1 or more BTC for sure.

I'm not saying a lot of us do it a lot of the time, but it's easy enough to find if you look for it.

But 100 BTC? You can't do shit with the market on 1 platform for 1 hour, never mind weeks! Have you taken a look recently at daily volumes on a liquid platform?

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January 06, 2020, 07:10:10 AM
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No one can find the reality if the Bitcoin is manipulated or not as it is decentralized and we're controlled depending on the users. It is too impossible that an organization or a person can manipulate the Bitcoin, as it grew so vast and the community went huge. There may be rich holders, but those wouldnt mean they can manipulate it.
Seriously, decentralized in nature doesnt prevent bitcoin market from price manipulation just like others business setting and if you follow whale alerts transaction will see that whenever a single or many whales dump thousands of bitcoin it drastically affect the price of bitcoin market. 
I guess you new here because even crypto newbies believe the price to be manipulated.

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January 06, 2020, 07:27:37 AM
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Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

As they say that we can't control the market but we can if we are rich or what should I say part of whales, who are controlling the market price. and you said it right @alexey14 that market movements is a whole different and being manipulated but in this manipulation, wise trader also have the benefit because they can earn profit if they are working hard to know what will be the next move even it is not predictable. in this situation we should know the whole story and learn the movements.

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January 06, 2020, 07:33:42 AM
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No one can find the reality if the Bitcoin is manipulated or not as it is decentralized and we're controlled depending on the users. It is too impossible that an organization or a person can manipulate the Bitcoin, as it grew so vast and the community went huge. There may be rich holders, but those wouldnt mean they can manipulate it.
It's been long news already that bitcoin is manipulates, there is chance that it is when we know there are whales that really do focus on gaining more and more in crypto with the way they also do to have connections to some news portal to influence other thru hype. What we need is to be smart enough to decide on our own investment.

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January 06, 2020, 07:36:42 AM
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In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.
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January 06, 2020, 08:26:16 AM
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Bitcoin price is determined by the few whales who happened to hold since the early days. If they want they can pump BTC to 1M $ and if they want they can dump BTC to 100$.
Doesnt matter who you are, A BTC holder or a daily trader, whales control BTC price.
What I mean by whale? The person who have more than million Bitcoin.
Bitcoin technology is great but Market is compeletly different story.

I think in all types of assets, large holders of individuals or their institutions can manipulate prices, especially in the cryptocurrency or bitcoin market which is completely unregulated and there is no regulatory authority so it is natural that there are often signs of manipulating the market.
so I believe that whales play a role in influencing the market and if one of them sells some or all of them, then the price of bitcoin will vibrate or weaken.

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January 06, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
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In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

I can't get the reason still many people are against the manipulation though they don't have really nothing to do about it to stop it. In my opinion, with these cases in cryptocurrency community, what is better to do is to comply and accept the fact the profits goes to those who have more control, and if we have less control over the market, we'll be good if we try to be in the stream with whales, follow their movements and get the profits. These manipulation is a just a mere fact that cryptocurrency is profitable.
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January 06, 2020, 09:48:24 AM
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No doubt the price of bitcoin is been manipulated by few rich whales, but they just can't pump the price to $1M neither will they be able to dump the price to $100. This will have to determined by the community and other heavy traders. Well the manipulation can be healthy if one knows how to trade the market with the whales.
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January 06, 2020, 01:19:12 PM
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No doubt the price of bitcoin is been manipulated by few rich whales, but they just can't pump the price to $1M neither will they be able to dump the price to $100. This will have to determined by the community and other heavy traders. Well the manipulation can be healthy if one knows how to trade the market with the whales.

I think whales don't have to spend that huge amount to manipulate Bitcoin prices.  All they have to do is ride some bad news and FUD the market.  Then make their huge stash of Bitcoin to be on the sell wall and sell some of it to make it look that the market is crashing.  Once the prices is down they then tend to buy at the bottom and ride the good news again to put hype on the market.  Then rinse and repeat.  They gain extra cash and extra BTC along the process thus making them bigger whale.
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January 06, 2020, 01:21:16 PM
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No, not at all this is your lack of understanding no one can manipulate the market. Especially Crypto markets.
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January 06, 2020, 02:01:31 PM
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In every type of market there are powerful persons and organization that can manipulate the price. In stock market there are jockeys who have power to pump and dump a specific stocks while in cryptocurrency market, there are whales who have huge amount of bitcoin that can easily influence its movement. Manipulation is everywhere we cannot do about it and for me it is now normal.

I can't get the reason still many people are against the manipulation though they don't have really nothing to do about it to stop it. In my opinion, with these cases in cryptocurrency community, what is better to do is to comply and accept the fact the profits goes to those who have more control, and if we have less control over the market, we'll be good if we try to be in the stream with whales, follow their movements and get the profits. These manipulation is a just a mere fact that cryptocurrency is profitable.
Indeed, instead of putting the blame to the whales, we should align our investment strategies and trading manners with how the market flows as this changes are what makes bitcoin profitable, after all it's nit like they can drastically manipulate bitcoin's amount. They definitely could but not to an extreme extent. We should do our best to thrive in this environment and think of the rollbacks as opportunities to invest more

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