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[BTCneedhelp1]

Situation has been resolved

[TimeTeller]

The admin is a THIEF and will scam your money. If you make a deposit there consider your money lost.

These are the emails i received from the "Admin", after i couldn't withdraw my initial deposit.





He was rude and very unprofessional as you can see in the emails!

He says that he will keep my deposit because i abused a bug that i don't know and he doesn't either!

Its sad to see that people are willing to risk the reputation and trustness of a website for over $150.

Well, the bitcoin world is just full of thiefs.

Enjoy my hard earned money!

UPDATE: Also he locked the main thread, so no one could expose his scam there.

I suggest make a formal scam accusation on this board -

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

On this board, users can see potential scammers and serves as a warning for them.
If livemines wants to clarify their name, they will respond to your thread and give their side.
They are new in this gambling community, so they might want to air their side.

[LiveMines]

Thank you for posting the thread, We will surely make another to expose how you tried to steal from us and abused the bug.

I am the site Administrator writing this post and not the forum account manager.

As to how you abused the bug : We are still investigating and have closed the website for external users!

The user has deposited 0.0200 BTC at his deposit address : 1Jn13SpkWMCAyoEEQY54M4DpBu5rdqTtG1 with transaction hash : f077d5e90ea4ae00985a8674d33a5746906884f5bece312e4e642678efc28d66

You can see the Game history played by this user here after depositing : https://livemines.com/history.php?user=ringo362

It is in Descending order and you are able to see all the games played by the user with bet amount with recent games on TOP.

Luckily, We were testing our new Dev features when this caught my attention. User was able to bet more than he was supposed to as his balance did not allow him to do that.

He immediately put up a withdrawal request, Our withdrawals are instant but are subject to manual if user behavior is detected odd.

I personally looked at all his games, and found sever discrepancies in the game.

When the user Emailed me directly at admin@livemines.com

I replied him with ; https://gyazo.com/74b751bc49cd6f81ed6f0c4f02e45373

The user still acted dumb and tried to trick. : https://gyazo.com/c4b1a2bb398753d142857365b7902e5e

If the picture isn;'t clear, this is what I replied :

"I have found some serious discrepancies in your game.

Your account suspension will not be lifted in any case.

If your next reply is not about how you were able to pull this off, I am afraid you will loose your full initial deposit too.

We are not idiots running the Website here. Choose your next reply wisely.
 It maybe your last shot.


-- LiveMines ADMIN "


He didn't accept what he did and as in our terms : https://livemines.com/terms.php

We have the right to terminate your account if you are trying abusing the system or indulge in unfair play. "

I really do not care about the money, I care about the ethics.

We have a open bug bounty program running here : https://hackforums.net/showthread.php?tid=6036941

I gave the user a chance to come clean on his doings which is more than fair I can be towards someone who is trying to cash out via unfair play. His suspension will not be lifted.

I am open for an investigation from Administrator, Moderators, Staff of this forum. I am willing to transfer his deposit to an Administrator, Moderator until they can verify. I am willing to share details and happy to assist them with on board investigation. This is only for Administrator, Moderators or Staff of this forum.

[Tipstar]

I didn't played with that site but the OP seem to have found some bug to know the results beforehand by opening multiple of tabs at once. The results might be somewhat linked. Though the OP abused the bug he/she should have reported, it's also unprofessional for a gambling site with simple bugs to let user deposit and withdraw.

[LiveMines]

I didn't played with that site but the OP seem to have found some bug to know the results beforehand by opening multiple of tabs at once. The results might be somewhat linked. Though the OP abused the bug he/she should have reported, it's also unprofessional for a gambling site with simple bugs to let user deposit and withdraw.

We are currently investigating this bug. Your security is taken as utmost importance. We have an open bug bounty program as well for this matter. Your deposits are safe as long as you at least don't harm/abuse our website. We have provided enough evidence in our reply at first. We are taking this matter seriously.

and No, The bug isn't related to knowing the results before hand. We cannot comment anymore for now at this matter.

 

[LiveMines]

This is unbelievable!

So, i'm a victim of a bug that your "Dev's" may have caused and now you are stealing my initial deposit because of your ignorance.

I just tried to withdraw my initial deposit you dumb fuck!

Give my money back you miserable thief!

We don't allow liars and cheaters to come and play with unfair means. We do allow bots and are happy with any strategies. Users who have withdrawn from our site can confirm our statement.

As to your question that you tried to withdraw your initial deposit,

Here's the post by you on our thread where you can be seen withdrawing rest of the winnings and failed because we detected the unfair play.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212374.20

https://gyazo.com/dfa70f2adc90ba4aceb416554e0e77c3

We will not be communicating any further on this thread. Please refer to our first reply on this thread.

[joksim299]

This is unbelievable!

So, i'm a victim of a bug that your "Dev's" may have caused and now you are stealing my initial deposit because of your ignorance.

I just tried to withdraw my initial deposit you dumb fuck!

Give my money back you miserable thief!

We don't allow liars and cheaters to come and play with unfair means. We do allow bots and are happy with any strategies. Users who have withdrawn from our site can confirm our statement.

As to your question that you tried to withdraw your initial deposit,

Here's the post by you on our thread where you can be seen withdrawing rest of the winnings and failed because we detected the unfair play.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212374.20

https://gyazo.com/dfa70f2adc90ba4aceb416554e0e77c3

We will not be communicating any further on this thread. Please refer to our first reply on this thread.

If you close the site for every withdraw that's not how it's done.
I have checked his history and it seems that he played up to 300 bits per round which is 0.0003 if I understand correctly denomination on your site.

[LiveMines]

Your SCAM site "Livemines" is all bugged. Its not my fault if its not working correctly.

You are just a fucking thief!

You stole my hard earned money and you will pay for it fucking scumbag scammer!

We have terminated your account and is not going to re-open as I have explained in the first reply. You had your chance to come through, You didn't. We have every proof needed be to show the moderators and admin as to how you did it.

[LiveMines]

This is unbelievable!

So, i'm a victim of a bug that your "Dev's" may have caused and now you are stealing my initial deposit because of your ignorance.

I just tried to withdraw my initial deposit you dumb fuck!

Give my money back you miserable thief!

We don't allow liars and cheaters to come and play with unfair means. We do allow bots and are happy with any strategies. Users who have withdrawn from our site can confirm our statement.

As to your question that you tried to withdraw your initial deposit,

Here's the post by you on our thread where you can be seen withdrawing rest of the winnings and failed because we detected the unfair play.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212374.20

https://gyazo.com/dfa70f2adc90ba4aceb416554e0e77c3

We will not be communicating any further on this thread. Please refer to our first reply on this thread.

If you close the site for every withdraw that's not how it's done.
I have checked his history and it seems that he played up to 300 bits per round which is 0.0003 if I understand correctly denomination on your site.

We have opened up, We have processed every withdrawal till date. There isn't a single instance for which we have not processed withdrawals otherwise it wouldn't be the first scam report on us. We know building trust and reputation takes time but we simply can't allow players to take advantage of the bugs. That's a strict NO.

If you can see the link of his history bets,  please check how he is able to Bet for 30,000 bits if he have deposited 0.0200 BTC which is 20,000 Bits when he didn't win more than 1000 Bits in total. If I wasn't online and paying attention, his withdrawal would have been processed and it would have been a loss on us. Would it be fair then for us to make a scam report on someone we don't know ? We don't ask for KYC or any personnel details. Neither will we in the future.

We have investigated the issue as to how he was able to do so, We cannot disclose this publicly yet but we will.

However, We will not allow unethical players who violate our terms and try to take advantage.

[joksim299]

This is unbelievable!

So, i'm a victim of a bug that your "Dev's" may have caused and now you are stealing my initial deposit because of your ignorance.

I just tried to withdraw my initial deposit you dumb fuck!

Give my money back you miserable thief!

We don't allow liars and cheaters to come and play with unfair means. We do allow bots and are happy with any strategies. Users who have withdrawn from our site can confirm our statement.

As to your question that you tried to withdraw your initial deposit,

Here's the post by you on our thread where you can be seen withdrawing rest of the winnings and failed because we detected the unfair play.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212374.20

https://gyazo.com/dfa70f2adc90ba4aceb416554e0e77c3

We will not be communicating any further on this thread. Please refer to our first reply on this thread.

If you close the site for every withdraw that's not how it's done.
I have checked his history and it seems that he played up to 300 bits per round which is 0.0003 if I understand correctly denomination on your site.

We have opened up, We have processed every withdrawal till date. There isn't a single instance for which we have not processed withdrawals otherwise it wouldn't be the first scam report on us. We know building trust and reputation takes time but we simply can't allow players to take advantage of the bugs. That's a strict NO.

If you can see the link of his history bets,  please check how he is able to Bet for 30,000 bits if he have deposited 0.0200 BTC which is 20,000 Bits when he didn't win more than 1000 Bits in total. If I wasn't online and paying attention, his withdrawal would have been processed and it would have been a loss on us. Would it be fair then for us to make a scam report on someone we don't know ? We don't ask for KYC or any personnel details. Neither will we in the future.

We have investigated the issue as to how he was able to do so, We cannot disclose this publicly yet but we will.

However, We will not allow unethical players who violate our terms and try to take advantage.

You are correct. That's definitely a big!
Why would he bet that much just to cash out without clicking any fields.
If he had been smarter he would take 500$+ bounty

He had only 20 bits profit (https://livemines.com/showGame.php?id=3481) when he placed 10,000 bits over his deposit amount https://livemines.com/showGame.php?id=3489  followed by another bet https://livemines.com/showGame.php?id=3490 with additional 6000 bits profit out of nowhere

[LiveMines]

This is unbelievable!

So, i'm a victim of a bug that your "Dev's" may have caused and now you are stealing my initial deposit because of your ignorance.

I just tried to withdraw my initial deposit you dumb fuck!

Give my money back you miserable thief!

We don't allow liars and cheaters to come and play with unfair means. We do allow bots and are happy with any strategies. Users who have withdrawn from our site can confirm our statement.

As to your question that you tried to withdraw your initial deposit,

Here's the post by you on our thread where you can be seen withdrawing rest of the winnings and failed because we detected the unfair play.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212374.20

https://gyazo.com/dfa70f2adc90ba4aceb416554e0e77c3

We will not be communicating any further on this thread. Please refer to our first reply on this thread.

If you close the site for every withdraw that's not how it's done.
I have checked his history and it seems that he played up to 300 bits per round which is 0.0003 if I understand correctly denomination on your site.

We have opened up, We have processed every withdrawal till date. There isn't a single instance for which we have not processed withdrawals otherwise it wouldn't be the first scam report on us. We know building trust and reputation takes time but we simply can't allow players to take advantage of the bugs. That's a strict NO.

If you can see the link of his history bets,  please check how he is able to Bet for 30,000 bits if he have deposited 0.0200 BTC which is 20,000 Bits when he didn't win more than 1000 Bits in total. If I wasn't online and paying attention, his withdrawal would have been processed and it would have been a loss on us. Would it be fair then for us to make a scam report on someone we don't know ? We don't ask for KYC or any personnel details. Neither will we in the future.

We have investigated the issue as to how he was able to do so, We cannot disclose this publicly yet but we will.

However, We will not allow unethical players who violate our terms and try to take advantage.

You are correct. That's definitely a big!
Why would he bet that much just to cash out without clicking any fields.
If he had been smarter he would take 500$+ bounty

He had only 20 bits profit (https://livemines.com/showGame.php?id=3481) when he placed 10,000 bits over his deposit amount https://livemines.com/showGame.php?id=3489  followed by another bet https://livemines.com/showGame.php?id=3490 with additional 6000 bits profit out of nowhere

I would have given a nice bounty reward for it. I gave him a chance in the Email also to come through. Also after investigating, We have found that this couldn't have been done without specific intentions or just accidentally.

It was a prepared attack against our system. I cannot comment more about as to what was the bug right now but it is quite difficult to track and mitigate. I will be adding a post regarding this bug so that people/developer can understand more about this. It was harder for us to replicate the bug in the first place. More to be announced soon regarding this case from our side.

[pakhitheboss]

I didn't played with that site but the OP seem to have found some bug to know the results beforehand by opening multiple of tabs at once. The results might be somewhat linked. Though the OP abused the bug he/she should have reported, it's also unprofessional for a gambling site with simple bugs to let user deposit and withdraw.

Whatever is the issue with the website the admin should not have kept the initial deposit of OP. It is very unprofessional and rude. This has to be posted on Scam accusation as the OP is able to provide the evidence. The admin should be banned from BTT as fraudsters and scammers are not welcomed in this forum.

[Lanatsa]

I didn't played with that site but the OP seem to have found some bug to know the results beforehand by opening multiple of tabs at once. The results might be somewhat linked. Though the OP abused the bug he/she should have reported, it's also unprofessional for a gambling site with simple bugs to let user deposit and withdraw.

Whatever is the issue with the website the admin should not have kept the initial deposit of OP. It is very unprofessional and rude. This has to be posted on Scam accusation as the OP is able to provide the evidence. The admin should be banned from BTT as fraudsters and scammers are not welcomed in this forum.

Any site would really have the rights as long those claims were valid and true but if this one cant able to show off a solid evidence then there would really that kind of doubt if they are just trying to pull off some scam or not.

For that amount it isnt really that worthy for them to do so thats why i do saw that they are somewhat telling the truth.This is just my own view though but im not still convinced until they show off a solid evidence.

[YOSHIE]

UPDATE: Also he locked the main thread, so no one could expose his scam there.

Can you give us something that can believe us here if the Livemines site is a scam.
Or related to your lost assets stolen by them, show us.
If you can show evidence that you were deceived by the Livemines Admin, which is legitimate, I will give @Livemines a red warning.
Try and complete the evidence, if you are fooled by them. [Livemines].

[LiveMines]

UPDATE: Also he locked the main thread, so no one could expose his scam there.

Can you give us something that can believe us here if the Livemines site is a scam.
Or related to your lost assets stolen by them, show us.
If you can show evidence that you were deceived by the Livemines Admin, which is legitimate, I will give @Livemines a red warning.
Try and complete the evidence, if you are fooled by them. [Livemines].

We have not stolen a single bit from anybody nor do we have any interest of doing so.

Please refer to my previous posts on this thread.

As said earlier, I gave the user a chance to come clean on his doings which is more than fair I can be towards someone who is trying to cash out via unfair play. His suspension will not be lifted.

Do read our terms in case of any doubt.

[LiveMines]

I didn't played with that site but the OP seem to have found some bug to know the results beforehand by opening multiple of tabs at once. The results might be somewhat linked. Though the OP abused the bug he/she should have reported, it's also unprofessional for a gambling site with simple bugs to let user deposit and withdraw.

Whatever is the issue with the website the admin should not have kept the initial deposit of OP. It is very unprofessional and rude. This has to be posted on Scam accusation as the OP is able to provide the evidence. The admin should be banned from BTT as fraudsters and scammers are not welcomed in this forum.

Any site would really have the rights as long those claims were valid and true but if this one cant able to show off a solid evidence then there would really that kind of doubt if they are just trying to pull off some scam or not.

For that amount it isnt really that worthy for them to do so thats why i do saw that they are somewhat telling the truth.This is just my own view though but im not still convinced until they show off a solid evidence.

We will be presenting our evidence as to how OP manipulated the vulnerability and achieved undesired results.

[LiveMines]

I didn't played with that site but the OP seem to have found some bug to know the results beforehand by opening multiple of tabs at once. The results might be somewhat linked. Though the OP abused the bug he/she should have reported, it's also unprofessional for a gambling site with simple bugs to let user deposit and withdraw.

Whatever is the issue with the website the admin should not have kept the initial deposit of OP. It is very unprofessional and rude. This has to be posted on Scam accusation as the OP is able to provide the evidence. The admin should be banned from BTT as fraudsters and scammers are not welcomed in this forum.

Whatever is the issue ? This wasn't just a "whatever". OP tried to scam us and you want us to help him ? WE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANY UNFAIR PLAY, PRACTICES.

[LiveMines]

AS TO ANYONE READING THIS THREAD MAKE SURE TO SEE OP GAME ROUNDS HERE :


https://livemines.com/history.php?user=ringo362


How can a person Bet for 30,000 and 36,000 Bits when he deposited 20,000 Bits into the account with no profit more than 1000 Bits.

We have investigated that he tried to performed an attack and was successful in doing so, However we caught him doing so.

WE WILL NOT BE LIFTING HIS ACCOUNT SUSPENSION.

Do read our terms here if anyone here is in any confusion as to if we can exercise this right or not :

www.LiveMines.com/terms.php

[YOSHIE]

We have not stolen a single bit from anybody nor do we have any interest of doing so.

Hey, the allegation question and proof about LiveMines that I ask is not for you and your site.
I want to clarify the accusations of BTCneedhelp1, against the LiveMines gaming site, if accusing the gaming site of scam is based on strong evidence, it concerns the reputation of the gaming site of the person.

@BTCneedhelp1, I ask for proof of loss and fraud against you, if you don't provide evidence, it means your accusation is false.
I'm waiting, if you don't provide proof I will mark you about false accusations.

[LiveMines]

As we have made your games public which you had played : https://livemines.com/history.php?user=ringo362

You can see your Bets as to how you tried to abuse our system.

We were vulnerable to Race attack condition vulnerability and you were able to use this to your advantage as to cash out the value which you didn't bet. Everyone can clearly see the timings of the game.

Ref : Please see Game ID 3485 -- 3490 in the game history.

Users can see the time when the games were created, There isn't a difference of 1 second in the game you abused. We had thoroughly investigated the issue and then only came to our decision.

You cannot call us a "Scammer" if you have violated our terms in which it is clearly written that all unfair means and practices will result in suspension. Without even coming forward you tried to withdraw all your funds which came through abuse of the bug.

I still gave you a chance to correct and come clean in the email itself. You denied everything.

Your suspension will not be lifted.

We had a hard time replicating this bug ourselves.
Actions of the user were planned and targetted, as he tried to withdraw his False CashOut immediately. Fortunately we don't allow withdrawals before 3 Network confirmation and I was online myself and able to detect this user.
We strictly Condemn cheating.