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January 06, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
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Have you ever sent merits in error or accidentally sent more merits than you intended? Or maybe you sent all your sMerits and emptied your balance...

What did you do next?

Kindly share  Grin

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January 06, 2020, 11:09:51 AM
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Many users have complaint sending merits by mistake, as I have seen many such threads. But I don't think theymos has revised merits for such mistakes any time before.
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January 06, 2020, 01:39:57 PM
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Yes I did like I thought I give 1 merit already then suddenly the internet becomes slow then accidentally click again. Now I send him 2merits. Anyway it's okay lots of people here been experiencing that and its inevitable. If that can be revised then it's also good however that would be shamed if youre the receiver then your merit just suddenly deducted due to error of the sender.

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January 06, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
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The most common or the only mistake meriters usually make is double-send their sMerits to receivers.

Initially they intend to send X sMerits to user A, but then after sending X sMerits to the user A; the meriters refresh their merit page, that unintentionally double-spend their X sMerits. Yes, only occurs in case meriters have unused sMerits in their accounts.

After lots of complaints from community, theymos stepped in and gave a kind of prevention method, by dis-allow sending same amount of sMerits to one post in a specific period of  60 seconds.
Quote from: theymos topic=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090492.msg48939584#msg48939584
Alright, you now can't merit the same post with the same amount within 60 seconds.
Unfortunately, what was lost can not be recovered or refunded so we can only learn from past mistakes and being more careful in the future.

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January 06, 2020, 02:10:02 PM
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I did merit one guy two times before the system was fixed but it was worth it, he deserved even more.
What I was about to make if you don't pay attention is to send 10 instead of 1 merit, especially when you are on the phone. I normally select this 0 and then just replace it with 1, but one time I didn't select it properly and the marker was before the 0.. so it happen that I tried to sent 10 instead of 1. I didn't pay attention to the number until got the warning that I don't have enough smerit to send.
The guy could have been luckier if I had over 10 smert Smiley

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January 06, 2020, 02:20:39 PM
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This has never happened to me, I am always very careful with everything that has to do with cryptocurrency including giving merits in this forum. Given that I am not merit source, every sMerit is precious to me and I try to use it in the best possible way. In case I make a mistake sometime in the future, it will not be a mistake that will worry me too much.

I would very much like to give some people much more than I can, so if anyone gets more than my intention, then consider it a lucky bonus Wink


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January 06, 2020, 02:48:09 PM
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No, I have never encountered any errors with the merit system, because it doesn't really have a lot of things to make an error. As some people have said, we may have some problems if the internet is slow, but it can be fixed, because we cannot send merit to the same article within 60 seconds. I think sometimes we can send the wrong amount of merit we want, it's still okay  Cheesy

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January 06, 2020, 02:50:16 PM
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It’s barely ever happened in my case, and nothing noticeable (i.e. no 20 sMerits sent when intending to send 2). Recently I recall sending 2 sMerits when I thought I had typed 1, and last month I merited a post thrice due to page refreshments and having too many tabs open to keep proper control of what I was doing (I even PMd the recipient to explain the weird meriting pattern).

Occasionally it’s the other way round: I under merit a post, and have to wait out the 60 second cooldown period to remerit the post with the intended amount.

All in all, not really an issue in my case either way, and barely ever out of tune with my first intent.
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January 06, 2020, 02:55:16 PM
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My Mac has some auto-fill-in-feature that sometimes turns a "1" in the merit window into a "10".
I'm not 100% sure I never accidentally submitted that Roll Eyes

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January 06, 2020, 03:05:08 PM
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Nope.  I've sent merit to 143 different profiles and not once to an unintended recipient.  Knowing that, much like Bitcoin itself, mistakes can't be undone, you double check before you send.

//EDIT:  Oh, but like DdmrDdmr said, back when the merit system was first introduced, I originally sent too little, so later revisited those posts and sent more.

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January 06, 2020, 03:28:05 PM
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Have you ever sent merits in error or accidentally sent more merits than you intended?
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Or maybe you sent all your sMerits and emptied your balance...
No, that's never happened to me. Before I was a Merit source I never ran out, and since I am a Merit source they keep coming. Despite that, I am the most generous recent merit sender now.

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I merited the post I intended to merit. It doesn't happen often, and the post I accidentally merited wasn't bad, so nothing was lost. I think less than 0.1% of my sent Merit was accidental, so it's acceptable as collateral damage.

The most common or the only mistake meriters usually make is double-send their sMerits to receivers.
My mistake was multitasking too much, and losing track.

The one thing I am afraid of, is accidentally sending 10 times what I intend to do: that "0" in the Merit field is often tricky. I've seen "10" or "20" instead of "1" or "2" many times now, but never clicked "Send" without correcting it. Some day, it's bound to happen.

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Or maybe you sent all your sMerits and emptied your balance...
Thankfully I usually have more than 50 sMerits and thus it would be impossible to unload them all at once, because that sounds like something I'd do.

But no, I haven't sent merits to the wrong member before, though I have given more merits than I intended to because of that glitch where if you reload the page after sending them, it duplicates the merit transaction.  I don't know if that bug got fixed or what, but it happened to me in the early days of the merit system, and I've been more careful since then.

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There are chances of sending smerit more or less than what you intend to send it might even be more than what you have as a whole or less than it.
But as far as I know it would not be easy to gain back smerit after it has been sent and received by the receiver.

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January 06, 2020, 04:29:38 PM
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Before the system was fixed (i.e meriters won't be able to merit same post with exact smerit amount within 60 seconds interval), I encountered the double spending issue on numerous occasions as a result of slow connect in my region (Africa) due to my browser just reloading itself but haven't experience same outcome due to the restriction. I also observe if you mistakenly input a figure after the 0 when you want to send smerit, it doesn't affect the amount you intend sending. Noticed that since I have made such mistake before.

Either last month or so, few seconds before I received my monthly allocations I initiated a transaction that unknowingly was more than the earned smerit I had in my account. I was hopefully for the error message to cancel the transaction but suddenly saw the transaction went successfully. Immediately I thought it was a gitch in the system and was about reporting before I recalled it was my MS refilling date.

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January 06, 2020, 04:34:12 PM
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There are chances of sending smerit more or less than what you intend to send it might even be more than what you have as a whole or less than it.
I do not know about sending less, the bug when you reload the merit page only doubles the merits, it doesn't reduce it. And if you send less, you can just go ahead and merit the post again, there isn't an issue with that imo.
But as far as I know it would not be easy to gain back smerit after it has been sent and received by the receiver.
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I think many users have made merit-related errors. I awarded one user with a merit and forgot to refresh the thread I was viewing after sending the merit. I continued reading the thread and awarded the same user again. That is the only mistake I made when it comes to awarding merits.

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Did it once or twice but the amount wasnt too big so I didn't care. Let's say I sent 5 instead of 1 or something like that. No biggie.

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January 06, 2020, 05:46:49 PM
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How about you OP? Havent you?
Oh yes, I certainly did on just one occasion and learned a big lesson  Grin



After lots of complaints from community, theymos stepped in and gave a kind of prevention method, by dis-allow sending same amount of sMerits to one post in a specific period of  60 seconds.
Quote from: theymos topic=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090492.msg48939584#msg48939584
Alright, you now can't merit the same post with the same amount within 60 seconds.
Unfortunately, what was lost can not be recovered or refunded so we can only learn from past mistakes and being more careful in the future.
Thank you for the link, I had no idea theymos had made a post stating he added an accidental double-hit protection. A very good idea from theymos to implement that, thank you for linking it. I never experienced that myself but it would nice for the protection to kick-in if any user accidentally does double-hit.



I did merit one guy two times before the system was fixed but it was worth it, he deserved even more.
What I was about to make if you don't pay attention is to send 10 instead of 1 merit, especially when you are on the phone. I normally select this 0 and then just replace it with 1, but one time I didn't select it properly and the marker was before the 0.. so it happen that I tried to sent 10 instead of 1. I didn't pay attention to the number until got the warning that I don't have enough merit to send.
The guy could have been luckier if I had over 10 smert Smiley
Ah so you sending more merits than you had in your balance saved the day and unfortunately for him he remained unlucky  Wink

Having said that I never used the forum on mobile so thankfully never experienced that form of accidental sending of merits either on mobile or desktop.



This has never happened to me, I am always very careful with everything that has to do with cryptocurrency including giving merits in this forum. Given that I am not merit source, every merit is precious to me and I try to use it in the best possible way. In case I make a mistake sometime in the future, it will not be a mistake that will worry me too much.

I would very much like to give some people much more than I can, so if anyone gets more than my intention, then consider it a lucky bonus Wink
Maybe from time to time we all send a lucky bonus but it is mostly in error. I wonder what the largest number of accidental merits ever sent was.

Also, I wonder how many times that maximum number of merits allowed to be sent has been sent to one particular member?



It’s barely ever happened in my case, and nothing noticeable (i.e. no 20 merits sent when intending to send 2). Recently I recall sending 2 merits when I thought I had typed 1, and last month I merited a post thrice due to page refreshments and having too many tabs open to keep proper control of what I was doing (I even PMd the recipient to explain the weird meriting pattern).

Occasionally it’s the other way round: I under merit a post, and have to wait out the 60 second cooldown period to remerit the post with the intended amount.

All in all, not really an issue in my case either way, and barely ever out of tune with my first intent.
Well, when I did not really understand how merits worked (I had received them but never sent them) I made a mistake.

When I found a reply very helpful to me I saw I had 21 in my balance and well when I sent the merits I sent 21. I did not pay attention to how the merit system worked, never read any specific thread about its functionality so when I sent the merits I thought I would be able to send a maximum of 21 to any number of users and as time went on the 21 would increase... but I was wrong.

So I sent a PM asking the user to kindly send them back as I had zero merits in my balance but he replied stating two things: First, he said it was against forum rules to send them back to me ... and second he said he did not have them anyway and that each merit received was only worth half so if someone sent two merits to him he would receive only one etc. I asked for them back because I was not sure how long it would take me to accumulate them again and they were sent it error - I did not think it was bad etiquettes to ask because it was (I believe the very first time I sent merits) but having said that I would never ask for them back from anybody again if I sent them in error because I am far more clued up on the forum etiquette and its workings now.

I think that was my first experience of sending merits and that was a long time ago, thankfully I have come a long way since then and never made a mistake in sending them in error that I can think of but was curious about others having any similar type of issues or experiences, hence the thread.



My Mac has some auto-fill-in-feature that sometimes turns a "1" in the merit window into a "10".
I'm not 100% sure I never accidentally submitted that Roll Eyes
Ah yes the good old auto-fill in browsers (or as you said Mac) also could be an accident waiting to happen.

Maybe someday someone will receive your elusive "10" merits when you intended to send "1" merit just when you and they least expect it

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January 06, 2020, 11:09:27 PM
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I have been sending a lot of Merits recently so errors are becoming more common.
One of the problems is that I am affected by the topics that I got some Merits so that I send them 1 Merit before checking the quality of the post/topic and then when I check its quality I notice that it does not deserve those merits.
Generally, this happens from time to time and at 3% so I think I am sending 10 every month by mistake.

Do the Merits sent by others affect your decision?

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January 06, 2020, 11:38:36 PM
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I've been very close a few times from putting a number that I intend on giving them in front of the default "0" that is present by default. I think it might be a good idea to remove that to prevent that issue. I don't recall actually ever doing it, but if it wasn't for double checking I could have very easily.

Do the Merits sent by others affect your decision?
Nah, I don't factor in rank or merits received from others. I merit the post on what I think is deserved. Although, I understand why others would be more inclined to reward users who haven't received merit on mass. I still think rewarding legendary users is important, and its not like they go to complete waste due to the fact that they can redistribute them.
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