What will happen when people realise that the world is cooling and not warming?

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. Lung health is very important to people dead from climate change.

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[franky1]

^^^ Right. Lung health is very important to people dead from climate change.

based on your comments on many topics

badecker. try to get out the house now and again. experience a bit of the world. learn some stuff
because at the moment, your lung health is more at risk from inhaling too much dust from the house your cooped up in.

i know the world seems a scary place, i know you fear working because you think its slavery
i know you fear socialising because you think its communism to interact with others. you also fear they might be terrorists. and yes you fear climate will torture you. and of course you fear police will arrest you because you dont want to get a licence to drive a car.

but please just get out the house once and a while and realise what the world is really like. yes you might find new threats to fear but atleast you might learn what the real problems are too

[Spendulus]

Government and political action is geared to climate change, but are they working on the wrong trend, and making things worse for us. We are entering a period of global cooling...

Some will love it.

https://www.theonion.com/nations-snowmen-march-against-global-warming-1819568251

[TheCoinGrabber]

So what will happen when the public realises that the whole of the climate change industry is designed to reduce food production, and to reduce life as we know it?

Or maybe this is actually what they are preparing for and just misleading people? A cooler Earth is a drier Earth, there'll be less precipitation so the large scale agriculture we are accustomed to would become unsustainable. Especially if large parts of the northern hemisphere freeze over like with the last "true" ice age (humans were mostly hunters then so they just lived off the megafauna like woolly mammoths)

Maybe that's why they are trying to reduce population? Less people fighting over limited food, less conflict for them.

[sovie]

This means we don't have concent that whether we are towards cooling or warming the earth. If we are not clear in cooling or warming the earth then how can we address the issue. Time is running out and remedies to fix earth problems are very clear. All we need is initiate the actions.

[BIT-BENDER]

This is like a cross road most of this element are important in terms of use but are hazardous in terms of environmental issues.
Finding a balance to this that we can not completely eleminate either of the two is the real solution and being

[keeee]

This is like a cross road most of this element are important in terms of use but are hazardous in terms of environmental issues.
Finding a balance to this that we can not completely eleminate either of the two is the real solution and being

I agree,  if we dont know weather the earth is cooling or warming it will be hard for what is the thing that people need to do.  If its true that the earth is cooling surely it can freeze lot of places and also cause harm to human health especially for those who do not have protection for coldness.  What we need to do is be ready and always update to the news for us to easily know what we need to do. 

[coins4commies]

This is such a sad thread.  There is so much data and explanation available from reputable sources demonstrating how where and why the world is warming.  Its middle school level science.   How can BS be posted and so many users go along with it?  I thought at least we were at the point where science deniers posted links to fake evidence and pseudoscientific explanations of their claims but we don't even have that here. We just have a consistent flow of unsubstantiated nonsense.  

[coolcoinz]

I've been spending most of my life in Central Europe and can tell you that the weather is going crazy. From my point of view it's getting warmer, because when I was a child it was completely normal to have snow in December, and temperatures -20*C in January and February. For the past 2 years we had very little snow and this Winter has been probably the least snowy in the last 10 years. The coldest it gets is -8*C and that's only at night. Both this and last Winter we haven't seen -10 even once during the day.

Summers are also different with higher max temperatures and very warm Springs. I remember years (probably 2002 -2006) where real Spring used to start in April. Last year we were grilling in the garden in early March and it was +15 and sunny outside.

[TECSHARE]

This is such a sad thread.  There is so much data and explanation available from reputable sources demonstrating how where and why the world is warming.  Its middle school level science.   How can BS be posted and so many users go along with it?  I thought at least we were at the point where science deniers posted links to fake evidence and pseudoscientific explanations of their claims but we don't even have that here. We just have a consistent flow of unsubstantiated nonsense.  

This is definitely the kind of terminology scientifically minded people use to criticize ides they don't agree with, and is certainly not focus group marketing terminology designed to associate anyone who disagrees with the now debunked global warming models with Holocaust deniers. Essentially you are calling people Nazis for not agreeing with your unsubstantiated theories. This is what some one who has science on their side does?

[coins4commies]

There are no ideas in this thread.   No one even bothered to post links to pseudo-scientific websites that are so often used to "substantiate" this nonsense.  At this point, if you aren't sure if the world is cooling or warming, there isn't much I can do to help you over the internet.  I'm just venting.  Scientists are humans too.  This is not a professional setting.  

https://climate.nasa.gov/

I could post that link and talk about how it has all of the information and evidence, causes, effects, vital signs, data, and FAQ laid out in a clear, concise way but its likely that these people are so far off the deep-end, that they don't even trust nasa.   We're talking flat-earth type stupidity.  If me responding with science in a message board could possibly help these people, they wouldn't have needed help in the first place.  

[Spendulus]

This is such a sad thread.  There is so much data and explanation available from reputable sources demonstrating how where and why the world is warming.  Its middle school level science.   How can BS be posted and so many users go along with it?  I thought at least we were at the point where science deniers posted links to fake evidence and pseudoscientific explanations of their claims but we don't even have that here. We just have a consistent flow of unsubstantiated nonsense.  

Solar scientists are faking evidence?

But we can validate their claims of a cooling sun. The raw data is available.

But those scientists who claim it is warming?

Will they hand us all their data, so we can validate their claims?

[coins4commies]

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
you only needed 2 clicks to answer that

[Spendulus]

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
you only needed 2 clicks to answer that

Yawn. 2 clicks shows only how ignorant you are on the subject. You do not even understand the etiology.

Who said the subject was ...

The amount of solar energy received by the Earth has followed the Sun’s natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs with no net increase since the 1950s. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly.

Nobody. Nobody said that was the mechanism by which the Sun affects the climate of Earth. The mechanism appears to be its effect on cloud formation.

It's a bit hilarious, you starting with the conclusion and then trying to affirm it with google. That is not science.

[TECSHARE]

I'm just venting.  Scientists are humans too.

You should stop, you are contributing to global warming! Also, stop L.A.R.P.ing as a scientist. You are not a scientist, and if you even are really teaching people you shouldn't be because you are doing them and the world a disservice.

[franky1]

global temperature has risen markedly. [/I]

1. global averaged temperatures.
however different latitudes vary when not averaged. funny part is some area's are getting colder and some hotter and the average then cancels most of the differences out

2. markedly?? 0.9 degrees over many decades is not a remarkable amount. infact on the 15^o previous makes the 0.9^o not even a 7% change.
its a fear of a future 2.5^o change not an actual 2.5^o already occuring.

3. adding to that the whole hype of carbon as a greenhouse gas which affects the reflection in the upper atmosphere is an empty debate. the upper atmosphere is showing cooling not warming.

4. the temperature fear is land temperature change not upper atmosphere change. and do you know what helps reflect heat up and away from land..... WATER

carbon is just the excuse to make the running out of coal/oil be switched from the fault of oil farming to be a citizens are to blame for using so much electric from coal and so much fuel from their cars. yep the petroleum companies are not getting the blame. but while citizens feel guilty and agree to pay 'carbon taxes' that money then goes towards changing the technology at no cost to the energy sector and keep them in business

take many people on this forum blaming bitcoin miners for co2. instead of blaming the energy sector for using carbon based sources to make electric.
take the banking crisis caused by private banks... but now suddenly its a public debt and figure show estimates of how much debt people are into by quantifying the debt vs population.. instead of just making it private debt as it should be where the banks owe people money

its like people blaming fir coat customers for buying fir. when it should be the manufacturers for making coats using animal fir

but hey. while we pay for new electric plants, the change of temperatures wont get affected because the greenhouse gas of the upper atmosphere is not showing the effects they are fearmongering.. i said this before elsewhere but. the truth is in the next 50 years we will run out of oil/coal anyway.. its not in unlimited supply

.. better efforts can be made by desalinating sea water and letting it irrigate over land to stop it drying out.

[coins4commies]

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/14/is-the-sun-causing-global-warming/
you only needed 2 clicks to answer that

Yawn. 2 clicks shows only how ignorant you are on the subject. You do not even understand the etiology.

Who said the subject was ...

The amount of solar energy received by the Earth has followed the Sun’s natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs with no net increase since the 1950s. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly.

Nobody. Nobody said that was the mechanism by which the Sun affects the climate of Earth. The mechanism appears to be its effect on cloud formation.

It's a bit hilarious, you starting with the conclusion and then trying to affirm it with google. That is not science.

I didn't go to google, I simply made two clicks to the FAQ of the page I posted in my previous post.  I didn't make any conclusions either and never claimed that the post was me doing science.  Its simply a reference to an explanation of scientific information that is presented in a way everyone should be able to understand.  That way, you don't have to trust me or take my word for it.  Even if your claim was true, you would still see a correlation between temperature and solar irradiance over the past 60 years.

Does NASA not employ scientists? 
Does NASA not carry out Science? 
Did NASA somehow get all of that wrong? 
Did NASA just completely overlook the role of the sun on climate?
Is NASA not credible?
Are the dozens of similar organizations all lacking credibility in the same exact way?


If your answer to any of those questions is no...well then you are lost. 

[TECSHARE]

I didn't go to google, I simply made two clicks to the FAQ of the page I posted in my previous post.  I didn't make any conclusions either and never claimed that the post was me doing science.  Its simply a reference to an explanation of scientific information that is presented in a way everyone should be able to understand.  That way, you don't have to trust me or take my word for it.  Even if your claim was true, you would still see a correlation between temperature and solar irradiance over the past 60 years.

Does NASA not employ scientists? 
Does NASA not carry out Science? 
Did NASA somehow get all of that wrong? 
Did NASA just completely overlook the role of the sun on climate?
Is NASA not credible?
Are the dozens of similar organizations all lacking credibility in the same exact way?


If your answer to any of those questions is no...well then you are lost. 

Or it is simply you that is wrong.

[coins4commies]

You mean NASA's wrong.  And every other major organization of Scientists.  This isn't about me. I simply directed you to their resource. Thats the difference with what I'm doing and what you're doing.  I don't care about my feelings or opinion on the matter.  I'm not using my own ideas to challenge an impeccable body of research. I have faith in the global scientific community.  That doesn't mean its 100% guaranteed to be true.  But the scientific community is a hell of a lot more credible than some randoms on bitcointalk.org. 

[Spendulus]

You mean NASA's wrong.  And every other major organization of Scientists.  This isn't about me. I simply directed you to their resource. ....

No you did not. You asserted a page linked to was a responses to an assertion. In fact it was a mid 1990s level of topical scientific opinion.

It is about you, because you don't know what you are talking about, but keep insisting that you do.

Also the very phrase used to indoctrinate the public was changed from Global Warming to Climate Change. Clearly the latter phrase incorporates both cooling and warming.

Why do you want to be a Denier?