One Million Trees

[jstern]

Here in NYC there's an initiative of planting one million trees. And I'm all for planting more trees, but not just for the sake of it, and for the celebrity behind it to feel good about herself. If a home owner plants a tree there's a lot of planning involved. They analyze the perfect spot, how it matches the surrounding, if it's needed, etc. But in this situation it just plant one million trees for the heck of it. Cut a square, throw a bunch of dirt, the spot doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's in front of a stoop creating multiple bottlenecks in a busy block. The dirt gets all over, and half of the trees die anyway.

It really shows that human nature of not really thinking about your surrounding. In this case instead of causing pollution it's trees.

Random example, though not the best because if not a busy sidewalk.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6757113,-73.9857819,3a,75y,242.04h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suHVYMwoyioFEW5PQqyvkfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[franky1]

many towns plant tree's in urban area's for the whole co2 mindset.

the only issue is that it only sorts out co2 in that area. so a parking lot with loads of trees wont really affect co2 levels 2 miles away.

tree's planted alongside roads help more.
the example in OP is not in a densely driven area of new york so its not really a good location anyway

however trees in this situation are not helping climate change. its just improving lung health

oh and by the way. most scientists are more worried about the nitrogen issues of lung health which tree's dont help with. so even the lung health issue is not solved by trees.

[Darker45]

In 2014, the Philippines won the "Guinness World Record for the Most Tress(sic) Planted Simultaneously (Multiple Locations)."^[1] That happened in one of the country's three major islands, Mindanao. A total of 2,294,629 trees were planted. That was 2.3 million trees! People are smiling proud to have participated and won the award.

I was not!

Putting my neck on the line here, I would say less than 2% of those planted will actually grow into maturity, 70% would die a day or two after due to doing everything wrong right from the start and not caring about it the minute it is done, the rest would be cut for various reasons months later, or be eaten by the cows and goats and other herbivorous animals, and so on.

That's what happens when people are planting trees just for the sake of it! They're not even tree or nature lovers!  

[1] http://minda.gov.ph/news/121-guinness-world-record-for-the-most-tress-planted-simultaneously-multiple-locations

[Juggy777]

Here in NYC there's an initiative of planting one million trees. And I'm all for planting more trees, but not just for the sake of it, and for the celebrity behind it to feel good about herself. If a home owner plants a tree there's a lot of planning involved. They analyze the perfect spot, how it matches the surrounding, if it's needed, etc. But in this situation it just plant one million trees for the heck of it. Cut a square, throw a bunch of dirt, the spot doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's in front of a stoop creating multiple bottlenecks in a busy block. The dirt gets all over, and half of the trees die anyway.

It really shows that human nature of not really thinking about your surrounding. In this case instead of causing pollution it's trees.

Random example, though not the best because if not a busy sidewalk.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6757113,-73.9857819,3a,75y,242.04h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suHVYMwoyioFEW5PQqyvkfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The problem with these kind of initiatives is that they’re only done to please people in the short term, but no one really thinks of the long term consequences. In my personal opinion people should just not plant trees, instead they should create a community which can plan where it’s most suitable to plant them, who will take care of the trees and once they have answers to these questions then they should go ahead and plant trees.

[semobo]

Here in NYC there's an initiative of planting one million trees. And I'm all for planting more trees, but not just for the sake of it, and for the celebrity behind it to feel good about herself. If a home owner plants a tree there's a lot of planning involved. They analyze the perfect spot, how it matches the surrounding, if it's needed, etc. But in this situation it just plant one million trees for the heck of it. Cut a square, throw a bunch of dirt, the spot doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's in front of a stoop creating multiple bottlenecks in a busy block. The dirt gets all over, and half of the trees die anyway.

It really shows that human nature of not really thinking about your surrounding. In this case instead of causing pollution it's trees.

Random example, though not the best because if not a busy sidewalk.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6757113,-73.9857819,3a,75y,242.04h,83.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suHVYMwoyioFEW5PQqyvkfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

If it is from celebrity then their intention of doing this is to get fame not to help the environment,if they want to save nature they won't have any count on number trees to be planted and they will pick the right place to plant trees where they can grow with low or no maintenance.

[kro55]

Not only plant trees but also take care of them. Problem is we plant trees and then abondan them. Almost half of trees plantation went useless because of no care after plantation. If we want to give a good future to our kids we have to plant trees.

[gabmen]

Well for a project that big, i think they've made studies about where and how to do this huge venture. And i think it's not happening on a single event. It's gradual, planned tree planting. At least there's an initiative, let's give that. As to how it's going to be implemented, let's give them a chance. I'm all for restoring the greenery everywhere.

[TheCoinGrabber]

Well NY is pretty woke so it's unsurprising if all this is one big virtue signal visible from space so aliens on Mars can see how good and environmentally-friendly they are.

Putting my neck on the line here, I would say less than 2% of those planted will actually grow into maturity, 70% would die a day or two after due to doing everything wrong right from the start and not caring about it the minute it is done, the rest would be cut for various reasons months later, or be eaten by the cows and goats and other herbivorous animals, and so on.

To be frank the country need any tree planted - it have less than 10% of its original forest up. Unless those trees were planted in an urban areas I believe they'd survive well enough. The problem is the loggers. I remember seeing on the TV that some private reforest projects are choosing to plant trees that could not be used for lumber to discourage loggers.

[merchantofzeny]

I think planting trees is always good, whether you're trying to say it's to reduce co2 or for shade, etc. The problem is when it's not properly planned. For example the trees should be planted in areas where they are expected to not be disturbed for decades. No point in planting them near road that might be widened a few years later.

I also share Darker's apprehension about maintenance. It should be part of the planning otherwise it'll be like buying a kid a bunny for Easter - it'll be dead within a week.

[franky1]

I remember seeing on the TV that some private reforest projects are choosing to plant trees that could not be used for lumber to discourage loggers.

a UK flight company Ryan air done a study. they realised to offset their carbon emissions they would need to make the UK 12% forest.

by this i do not mean ryan air are some massive aviation company. infact they are a small company. if you add in all other flights around the UK by other flight companies the UK would need to be over 100% forest (more trees than land available
and thats just for flights.
cars and trucks actually combine to produce more co2 than aviation. so to ofset UK numbers forrests would need to be several layers of the land mass of the uk.

but what people keep forgetting is that climate science is about land temperatures. which water vaper controls land temperatures. not carbon.

carbon science on climate is about the percent of heat kept in at the upper atmosphere.. HEAT RISES not falls.
but guess what

carbon is not causing it to get warmer up there


its the ground level temperature control that is the 'risk' and water has more effect n the ground to cloud area

carbon at ground level is not a temperature of ground level killer. its a lung health killer.. water (ice or drought) is the concern of ground level

[sovie]

I think planting trees is always good, whether you're trying to say it's to reduce co2 or for shade, etc. The problem is when it's not properly planned. For example the trees should be planted in areas where they are expected to not be disturbed for decades. No point in planting them near road that might be widened a few years later.

I also share Darker's apprehension about maintenance. It should be part of the planning otherwise it'll be like buying a kid a bunny for Easter - it'll be dead within a week.

Events like planting 1 million tree in one day are useless as majority of such plantations were not taken care after the event is over. Trees serves as lungs of earth and life on earth is possible only if we have sufficient trees left that can keep the temperature under control.

[butcherme]

I love to support that idea we should plant more trees to keep the enviroment clean.
The world is so poluted and more trees are being cut down or burn out.

[keeee]

Not only plant trees but also take care of them. Problem is we plant trees and then abondan them. Almost half of trees plantation went useless because of no care after plantation. If we want to give a good future to our kids we have to plant trees.

I agree, most trees being abandoned after planting trees. Sad but true.  On the other hand once it wss being take csre it has a big impact to our environment. It gives life to be honest. Everytime I see lot of trees I feel calm. Let us plant more trees because without them its very to live since they are the main source of oxygen in this world.

[merchantofzeny]

I think planting trees is always good, whether you're trying to say it's to reduce co2 or for shade, etc. The problem is when it's not properly planned. For example the trees should be planted in areas where they are expected to not be disturbed for decades. No point in planting them near road that might be widened a few years later.

I also share Darker's apprehension about maintenance. It should be part of the planning otherwise it'll be like buying a kid a bunny for Easter - it'll be dead within a week.

Events like planting 1 million tree in one day are useless as majority of such plantations were not taken care after the event is over. Trees serves as lungs of earth and life on earth is possible only if we have sufficient trees left that can keep the temperature under control.

Especially if they are in areas where it'll require more effort to establish a forest. For example a new mangrove forest practically takes care of itself, a new forest in California or Australia would have to be regularly watered for them not to wither and the brush around them constantly trimmed.

[kro55]

Not only plant trees but also take care of them. Problem is we plant trees and then abondan them. Almost half of trees plantation went useless because of no care after plantation. If we want to give a good future to our kids we have to plant trees.

I agree, most trees being abandoned after planting trees. Sad but true.  On the other hand once it wss being take csre it has a big impact to our environment. It gives life to be honest. Everytime I see lot of trees I feel calm. Let us plant more trees because without them its very to live since they are the main source of oxygen in this world.

Qatar is so hot its capital city now has air conditioning OUTSIDE to protect people from summer temperatures which soar to a blistering 115°F. While trees can do that for free, 24/7/365 and without requiring any maintenance. If we don't plant trees on emergency basis we will have to do such artificial and expensive treatments globally. Sadly we are more interested in cutting trees rather planting.

[Negotiation]

We all should plant more trees Plant trees save the environment We need to plant trees on the roof or courtyard of our house for the benefit of the tree. We take oxygen from the tree use it as fuel the tree gives us shade protects us from the heat of the sun Also trees protect the beauty of our city You need to plant more trees and take care of it.

[franky1]

We all should plant more trees Plant trees save the environment We need to plant trees on the roof or courtyard of our house for the benefit of the tree. We take oxygen from the tree use it as fuel the tree gives us shade protects us from the heat of the sun Also trees protect the beauty of our city You need to plant more trees and take care of it.

just some fun facts
"The average carbon absorbtion was 88 pounds per tree per year. (By contrast, the average American is responsible for emitting about 44,000 pounds of carbon annually."

that means each person needs 500 tree's.
a family of 4 ends up needing 2000 tree's. im not sure people actually have roofspace for 2000 trees

as for the topics 1m tree's.that only offsets about 2,000 people.
new yorks 8mill population =4,000,000,000.. yep 4 billion tree's needed just for new york.

with a 2 metre square space per tree, requires 8000km² offset space
new york living area is only 800km²

meaning it needs 10x more land then the land people live on just to offset new york

.. in short for the lung health risk. its easier to let the oil/coal reserves deplete(as they will anyway in this century) and shift to renewables and use electric cars to bring down the carbon used.. rather than it is to find enough land to plant tree's

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i personally think trees are great. but more for thewildlife and water cycle arena. climate change should concentrate on water cycle for the climate and as a separate project reducing emissions for the lung health. planting trees will never offset emissions at this level. and carbon is not a big player in the temperature arena. water is. so planting tree's projects need to actually understand why a rainforest is called a rain forest and not a carbon forest. and truly understand some of the numbers needed to even make a change

by the way. tree's in urban area's dont help the water cycle.

[msarro]

We need billions of trees to fill up gap due to fire in Amazon and Australia forests. It’s last wake up calls from nature to plant trees that can inhale toxic gases while giving us fresh air to breath. Tree are free tools supplied by nature, all they want is don’t cut them to work for us.

[TheCoinGrabber]

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a UK flight company Ryan air done a study. they realised to offset their carbon emissions they would need to make the UK 12% forest.

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That was a lot to munch on and quite frankly I haven't looked it up yet. I would say that it's always good to plant trees but I agree that we probably can no longer grow enough of them to absorb all that co2. It's probably just not trees that act like carbon sink anyway, if these people are really want to reduce the levels in the atmosphere, they'd have to find another way.

Also, I saw people joking that Greta Thunberg should be sent to the Philippines. How dare that volcano spew greenhouse gases!

[clickerz]

We need billions of trees to fill up gap due to fire in Amazon and Australia forests. It’s last wake up calls from nature to plant trees that can inhale toxic gases while giving us fresh air to breath. Tree are free tools supplied by nature, all they want is don’t cut them to work for us.

Yes, trees are very important and we need more of it. But due to what's happening, forest fires everywhere trees are being burned and by any means will really affect our planet. Trees make the air we breathe, it is the lungs of our planet filtering the good ones and expelling what is not needed.