I believe this account is handled by someone else

[irfan_pak10]

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels. I tried him everywhere even his WhatsApp but could get any response till now. He was offline from bitcointalk too, Now few days ago I see activity from this account and again tried all the channels but not getting a response. That's why I'm believing the account owner has been changed.  

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[shasan]

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels. I tried him everywhere even his WhatsApp but could get any response till now. He was offline from bitcointalk too, Now few days ago I see activity from this account and again tried all the channels but not getting a response. That's why I'm believing the account owner has been changed.  

If you believe ownership changed then first change your trust. and send this link to the current user so that the person can know about this thread. Then the person will prove ownership if the person is the real owner.

Edit:
Just noticed, positive trust removed.

[LTU_btc]

Based on what you wrote, it definitely looks suspicious. If @alani123 have staked Bitcoin address, I think we should ask him to post a signed message from this address. It probably will answer all questions. OP, have you tried to contact him on Bitcointalk when he didn't answered you on other platforms?

[hulla]

Based on what you wrote, it definitely looks suspicious. If @alani123 have staked Bitcoin address, I think we should ask him to post a signed message from this address. It probably will answer all questions. OP, have you tried to contact him on Bitcointalk when he didn't answered you on other platforms?

I supported what you said because people go through some emergency or disaster which may lead to the lost of phone, home and valuable properties. Besides, if the user mentioned by the OP is indeed an old buddy there should an old slang which they both use each time they communicate he can that to also figure out if the account holder is now someone else.

[ChuckBuck]

If you believe ownership changed then first change your trust. and send this link to the current user so that the person can know about this thread. Then the person will prove ownership if the person is the real owner.
Edit:
Just noticed, positive trust removed.

I think that removing positive trust is not necessary when we have not identified the users, despite the high probability that this account is being used by someone else. The best way is to make a neutral trust to alert people, avoiding unnecessary transactions until this account is proven.

Based on what you wrote, it definitely looks suspicious. If @alani123 have staked Bitcoin address, I think we should ask him to post a signed message from this address. It probably will answer all questions. OP, have you tried to contact him on Bitcointalk when he didn't answered you on other platforms?

Just is if  but what if he doesn't stake his address? What should we do next? At the least, the OP should send the topic date link to that account and ask him to prove it. If in a period of time he cannot prove the account, we can make the allegation.

[joniboini]

There's a lot of 'ifs' there. It is possible that he lost access to his previous contacts, his number could be blocked by his local operator and he's too lazy to create a new one, he disables his pm because he got too many spams etc. Are there any red flags such as he suddenly starts asking non-collateral loans, change in posting behavior or post quality, etc?

At the least, the OP should send the topic date link to that account and ask him to prove it. If in a period of time he cannot prove the account, we can make the allegation.

I think irfan should prove that he is indeed not the current owner first, not the other way around. Just because he doesn't respond to your message doesn't mean it is a different person imo.

[FIFA worldcup]

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels. I tried him everywhere even his WhatsApp but could get any response till now. He was offline from bitcointalk too, Now few days ago I see activity from this account and again tried all the channels but not getting a response. That's why I'm believing the account owner has been changed.  

He was online in December 2018 and then came back in November 2019. So maybe you recently saw his posts and thought he is active now but that about 2 months he have been active on this forum. Secondly if he is not responding you doesn't mean that the owner has been changed. You need to provide some more proofs here.

[irfan_pak10]

Based on what you wrote, it definitely looks suspicious. If @alani123 have staked Bitcoin address, I think we should ask him to post a signed message from this address. It probably will answer all questions. OP, have you tried to contact him on Bitcointalk when he didn't answered you on other platforms?

I supported what you said because people go through some emergency or disaster which may lead to the lost of phone, home and valuable properties. Besides, if the user mentioned by the OP is indeed an old buddy there should an old slang which they both use each time they communicate he can that to also figure out if the account holder is now someone else.

He was my business development manager. I knew him very well, disappearing was very shocking to me, I thought something might have happened to him.

- Tried PMing him before, I tried him few days ago too but no response

[shasan]

I am trying to bump the thread as I have received a private message regarding the ownership of the account. From the message, the user (alani123) is trying to say that s/he is the actual account holder of the account. I have  told to proof the ownership of the account on this thread.

[DaveF]

Well  alani123 has posted / used many addresses https://ninjastic.space/user/id/121796?addresses from years gone by so a signed message from at least one would be a good place to start.

It's a legendary account dating back to 2013 so I can see that either the original owner wanting it back if it's really them.

-Dave

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels. I tried him everywhere even his WhatsApp but could get any response till now. He was offline from bitcointalk too, Now few days ago I see activity from this account and again tried all the channels but not getting a response. That's why I'm believing the account owner has been changed.  

Maybe he is ignoring you. I am sure he owe you money LOL
Frankly speaking, an account can easily change it's hand and the new owner may not have a clue of your previous relation with this account owner.

[Timelord2067]

So someone woke up and ignored you, so you automatically jump to conclusions the account has changed hands.

Is that the sum of your "proof" ??

[Poker Player]

Well, actually, I just replied in a thread of his, and ended up in this thread guided by sashan's neutral feedback. I see that in this case it's going to come up again the question whether to red tag him, and it seems from what irfan_pak10 says that he will end up with a red profile. Unless he signs a message with the addresses quoted.

For me that when this thread was opened he disappeared, as he didn't publish any post from September 12, 2020, until two days ago. I think now he is trying to come back to the forum as disguising to see if he can make money with the account.

[JollyGood]

I am not sure it is as simple as that. The account has woken up after more than three years of inactivity and there is the case that the OP has been unable to contact the creator of the account and that has been out of character. If the current operator of the alani123 account is the original creator, they would easily be able to confirm the mobile number (or other mode of contact) they used to chat with the OP. 

So someone woke up and ignored you, so you automatically jump to conclusions the account has changed hands.

Is that the sum of your "proof" ??

[YOSHIE]

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels.

If you talk about @alani123, I also see a little oddity in the assumption, whether @alani123's account was sold/hacked.
However, even though the evidence is not strong enough to state that @alani123's account was sold/hacked, I noticed something odd in the post made by @alani123.

The irregularity I mean can be seen from the application posted by @alani123 himself, which alani123 placed in the @Falconer profile application.

Which makes me feel a little odd here, @alani123 The application is posted in a different campaign.
*alani123, Gamdom.com campaign.
* Falconer, BK8 campaign.

That's what makes me a little confused, is @alani123 controlled by @Falconer or vice versa.

Proof can be seen below, press on profile.

Bitcointalk Username: alani123
Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=387572
Post Count: 6275 (including this one)
Gamdom Name : grill10
Forum Rank : Legendary
Btc Address : 32kULadbZSQVudWhgs3wwu7z2dVxa4NnkK

https://archive.vn/wip/IqrxQ

BK8 username: Falconer
Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=387572
SegWit (bech32) BTC Address: bc1qam9awxh6hylgxpxhp8ld8xjqeymv83c2tdtyra
Current post count (Including this one): 4220
Amount of merit Earned in the last 120 days: 206 239

https://archive.vn/wip/tQfLw

Maybe I don't care about sending the application sent by @alani123, if it is in the same campaign it will probably be copy/pasted, which makes me think there is control between the two, the application is in a different campaign, but the profile is the same.

What do you think in this case, is there a possibility like the topic title.

[Sexylizzy2813]

I am not sure it is as simple as that. The account has woken up after more than three years of inactivity and there is the case that the OP has been unable to contact the creator of the account and that has been out of character. If the current operator of the alani123 account is the original creator, they would easily be able to confirm the mobile number (or other mode of contact) they used to chat with the OP. 

It can be that the owner of this said account might have changed his contact or something might have happened that's why the OP couldn't get to him since trying his line or something. Has the OP tried dropping a PM for him on this Forum to get a familiar response? If not he should try it.
As it is this is a very delicate matter that needs to be taken care of with calmness and you shouldn't rush into making a decision that might spoil someone's account and it could be that the said account is being run by the original owner, who knows? And 3 years is a very long time to be offline, lets just assume that he lost his phone and has changed all his contact.

[SamReomo]

It can be that the owner of this said account might have changed his contact or something might have happened that's why the OP couldn't get to him since trying his line or something. Has the OP tried dropping a PM for him on this Forum to get a familiar response? If not he should try it.
As it is this is a very delicate matter that needs to be taken care of with calmness and you shouldn't rush into making a decision that might spoil someone's account and it could be that the said account is being run by the original owner, who knows? And 3 years is a very long time to be offline, lets just assume that he lost his phone and has changed all his contact.

I agree with you because something like that can happen with many people. I believe in most countries in order to register a sim card one has to provide ID verification and sometimes the ones who're underage takes help from others in order to open sim card for them. That can be true in the case of OP he might have lost access to the sim card which he owned back then and once someone doesn't have access to the number which they used on Whatsapp then most probably they won't be able to reply to the ones who were in their contact list.

I also think that OP should send the user a PM and see what type of replies he will get, and if the reply seems similar to the ones that the original owner of the account sent to OP during the time when they were in contact with each other then the case is solved, however if the reply seems different then still OP will have to try other ways in order to confirm that the original owner is not operating the account. I think if the one who's operating the account is trying to contact @shasan then he might be the real owner of the account because otherwise why would he want to send a reputed member a PM in order to prove himself.

[Sexylizzy2813]

It can be that the owner of this said account might have changed his contact or something might have happened that's why the OP couldn't get to him since trying his line or something. Has the OP tried dropping a PM for him on this Forum to get a familiar response? If not he should try it.
As it is this is a very delicate matter that needs to be taken care of with calmness and you shouldn't rush into making a decision that might spoil someone's account and it could be that the said account is being run by the original owner, who knows? And 3 years is a very long time to be offline, lets just assume that he lost his phone and has changed all his contact.

I agree with you because something like that can happen with many people. I believe in most countries in order to register a sim card one has to provide ID verification and sometimes the ones who're underage takes help from others in order to open sim card for them. That can be true in the case of OP he might have lost access to the sim card which he owned back then and once someone doesn't have access to the number which they used on Whatsapp then most probably they won't be able to reply to the ones who were in their contact list.

The annoying part of these thing is that the person in question won't know how many persons that might have been trying to contact him and getting worried about such development on his account here on Bitcointalk just to verify if he's the one still running the account and also on his other social media accounts.
And in some cases someone who has misplaced his sim can be less concern about his contacts that he can't get access to, but I think the only way OP can get connected is only IF this guy in question did something like a backup on his Whatsapp, but if not then it will be hard.

I also think that OP should send the user a PM and see what type of replies he will get, and if the reply seems similar to the ones that the original owner of the account sent to OP during the time when they were in contact with each other then the case is solved, however if the reply seems different then still OP will have to try other ways in order to confirm that the original owner is not operating the account. I think if the one who's operating the account is trying to contact @shasan then he might be the real owner of the account because otherwise why would he want to send a reputed member a PM in order to prove himself.

Two things can happen,
(1) The person in charge (let's say is not the real owner) can really go through some of the old PMs and follow the how they relate and also flow with the chat just to push OP's curiosity aside to continue using the account.
(2) The user can as well pretend he didn't get any PM from the OP and you can't take actions with that kind of behavior yet, just have to be very careful before hashtag that account as stolen account.

But what if the real owner truly sold the account to this person operating it? I'm just saying because things can happen in this way.

[irfan_pak10]

I am trying to bump the thread as I have received a private message regarding the ownership of the account. From the message, the user (alani123) is trying to say that s/he is the actual account holder of the account. I have  told to proof the ownership of the account on this thread.

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Interesting, If he can reach me through the channel we used to use before, or we can even do a face call, as I, still remember his face. Then, I can assure you if he is real or fake. I thought he died, as he just vanished one day from all the channels simultaneously. I used to call him but no answer.

[FatFork]

That's what makes me a little confused, is @alani123 controlled by @Falconer or vice versa.

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Maybe I don't care about sending the application sent by @alani123, if it is in the same campaign it will probably be copy/pasted, which makes me think there is control between the two, the application is in a different campaign, but the profile is the same.

What do you think in this case, is there a possibility like the topic title.

That's weird, but I think it's a simple copy-paste error.

They both posted in the Gamdom.com campaign thread. Falconer posted first so I think alani123 probably copied his post and changed all the information except the profile url.



Falconer's post: https://ninjastic.space/post/54981867
alani123's post: https://ninjastic.space/post/54981914