I believe this account is handled by someone else

[Fivestar4everMVP]

That's what makes me a little confused, is @alani123 controlled by @Falconer or vice versa.

<snip>
Maybe I don't care about sending the application sent by @alani123, if it is in the same campaign it will probably be copy/pasted, which makes me think there is control between the two, the application is in a different campaign, but the profile is the same.

What do you think in this case, is there a possibility like the topic title.

That's weird, but I think it's a simple copy-paste error.

They both posted in the Gamdom.com campaign thread. Falconer posted first so I think alani123 probably copied his post and changed all the information except the profile url.

This is very possible. I mean copying and pasting other peoples application posts, and then editing it with our own details is very common practice amongst campaign participants and bounty hunters, participants mostly do this to make their application post come faster, most especially for those who are early enough and have the opportunity of having their application on the first page of the campaign or bounty thread.

But then, its unfortunate that some person, out of being too in a hurry fail to completely edit out their application after having copied it from another user.

Based on what you wrote, it definitely looks suspicious. If @alani123 have staked Bitcoin address, I think we should ask him to post a signed message from this address. It probably will answer all questions. OP, have you tried to contact him on Bitcointalk when he didn't answered you on other platforms?

I supported what you said because people go through some emergency or disaster which may lead to the lost of phone, home and valuable properties. Besides, if the user mentioned by the OP is indeed an old buddy there should an old slang which they both use each time they communicate he can that to also figure out if the account holder is now someone else.

He was my business development manager. I knew him very well, disappearing was very shocking to me, I thought something might have happened to him.

- Tried PMing him before, I tried him few days ago too but no response

Going by this, i guess its ok to say that the real owner of this account is dead probably, and the account is now in custody of maybe a family member or friend, cus I don't want to believe that the initial owner is still alive and sold this account, for if it was so, why did it take him so long to do it?.

[alani123]

Whoah, bitcointalk detectives are still very active. Good job on your sleuthing everyone. I'm amazed.
Yes, seems like I made a copy-paste error. Even I didn't notice it.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=797299.0
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Ty0zEbkhc0mqCnenzAI7UXaZl+EKlMnHoGnfXZBlqFd/yhHVE2BssFD7KsP8mRjhShfg85Dcoq9xAnjwFQfU0=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Those that have used bitcoin in a decentralized manner should know that this serves as irrefutable proof I'm the original owner of this Bitcointalk account.
I will message Irfan personally over this, no further comment needed I believe. Thanks for understanding.

[shasan]

Whoah, bitcointalk detectives are still very active. Good job on your sleuthing everyone. I'm amazed.
Yes, seems like I made a copy-paste error. Even I didn't notice it.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=797299.0
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Ty0zEbkhc0mqCnenzAI7UXaZl+EKlMnHoGnfXZBlqFd/yhHVE2BssFD7KsP8mRjhShfg85Dcoq9xAnjwFQfU0=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Those that have used bitcoin in a decentralized manner should know that this serves as irrefutable proof I'm the original owner of this Bitcointalk account.
I will message Irfan personally over this, no further comment needed I believe. Thanks for understanding.

I could not understand why you could not know about this topic also you have posted here after 2 messages from me. Anyway, I have tried to verify via Electrum as well as https://www.verifybitcoinmessage.com/ but I could not verify that. Would you like to re-check your signature?

[alani123]

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

[Poker Player]

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I've verified it using Electrum.

Whoah, bitcointalk detectives are still very active. Good job on your sleuthing everyone. I'm amazed.
...
I will message Irfan personally over this, no further comment needed I believe. Thanks for understanding.

As you can see, the whole thing started because he said he had regular contact with you and suddenly you disappeared. And with the number of accounts that change hands on the forum, don't be surprised that there are detectives.

[shasan]

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Your signature has been verified by Electrum. But the signature can't be proof this has been created today. So, can you please mention the date of today or about this thread? Also can you please respond to the post mentioned here?

[JollyGood]

I have also verified the signed message but as shasan stated, without a date being added (and maybe mentioning the URL of this thread) it does not mean much. Call it the curiosity of Bitcointalk detectives if it pleases you 

The OP was concerned therefore created the thread, had you responded to him this thread would have been unnecessary. Imagine, going through all this hassle including replying in this thread but ignoring this post. Can you add your perspective?

Take 2

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Alani123 bitcointalk account is still owned by the same goofus.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

IBGyoOMRqWZqYA6o2EOPCU1wqv0nZycoh8QBidQwFMCuL9FLMDuoBTsOeOFYsbJKuiqWgzybtqdI1+GnQWXswk8=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Your signature has been verified by Electrum. But the signature can't be proof this has been created today. So, can you please mention the date of today or about this thread? Also can you please respond to the post mentioned here?

[alani123]

Ok I did some of my own sleuthing.

It was a copy-paste error 100%. (Even I wasn't sure personally). Loyce's service saves once again.

Falconer had simply deleted their response.
See:
https://loyce.club/archive/topics/526/5268286.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5498/54981867.html

Or search on your own by thread ID here:
https://loyce.club/archive/members/

And yeah, I also get the concern of the signature possibly maybe having been created in the past.

Here's a new one:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
October 6 2023, Narges Mohammadi gets Nobel prize. alani123 still the same person
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Uhke1Z8+JibeJ4WkPXEU4pk5c3LCqBqbqbc3fMfFySIAst5d+MThQcTvXAytH1AwVdMlCM4WpiE7DMUN74QWc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I hope this proves account ownership beyond reasonable doubt now.

[Poker Player]

Here's a new one:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
October 6 2023, Narges Mohammadi gets Nobel prize. alani123 still the same person
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Uhke1Z8+JibeJ4WkPXEU4pk5c3LCqBqbqbc3fMfFySIAst5d+MThQcTvXAytH1AwVdMlCM4WpiE7DMUN74QWc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Verified.

I hope this proves account ownership beyond reasonable doubt now.

Yes. I think us bitcointalk detectives can go rest for a while now. We leave you and irfan_pak10 to settle your affairs.

[shasan]

Ok I did some of my own sleuthing.

It was a copy-paste error 100%. (Even I wasn't sure personally). Loyce's service saves once again.

Falconer had simply deleted their response.
See:
https://loyce.club/archive/topics/526/5268286.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5498/54981867.html

Or search on your own by thread ID here:
https://loyce.club/archive/members/

And yeah, I also get the concern of the signature possibly maybe having been created in the past.

Here's a new one:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
October 6 2023, Narges Mohammadi gets Nobel prize. alani123 still the same person
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
18Lthn7ZjLiig1Z6xBmJxzRjwqWq7pe4qN

H6Uhke1Z8+JibeJ4WkPXEU4pk5c3LCqBqbqbc3fMfFySIAst5d+MThQcTvXAytH1AwVdMlCM4WpiE7DMUN74QWc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I hope this proves account ownership beyond reasonable doubt now.

I have verified the signature via electrum and Now I have no doubt about the ownership of the account. And as I have no doubt of the ownership of the account I am going to remove the neutral tag which I have given at the time of suspension of the account ownership.

[irfan_pak10]

-snip-
I hope this proves account ownership beyond reasonable doubt now.

Glad to see you back bro, Just PMed you here, and would like to connect through our old channels so we talk about what happened, why you suddenly left all the channels including WhatsApp.

-snip-

The OP was concerned therefore created the thread, had you responded to him this thread would have been unnecessary. Imagine, going through all this hassle including replying in this thread but ignoring this post. Can you add your perspective?
-snip

The last thing remaining is identity verification, Which I can do easily through video call, which we used to do back in 2019. Hope @alani123 can do this step with me.

[JollyGood]

I was going to make a comment to him about confirming to you the last three digits of your Whatsapp number but then decided to not mention it because when accounts get sold nowadays many of them come along with email addresses and a known/linked address capable of signing a message therefore returning to the seller to ask for the Whatsapp number should not be too difficult if the accounts was sold. I am not stating that is what occurred, I am speculating at some possibilities.

Having said that, if he made a video call with you that would be excellent for identity confirmation otherwise it will raise questions even if there is a signed message from a known address.

The OP was concerned therefore created the thread, had you responded to him this thread would have been unnecessary. Imagine, going through all this hassle including replying in this thread but ignoring this post. Can you add your perspective?

The last thing remaining is identity verification, Which I can do easily through video call, which we used to do back in 2019. Hope @alani123 can do this step with me.

[irfan_pak10]

I really hope that this is G.K, As I missed him a lot, he was my company BDM and was really good at his job. Sent him a PM and want to call as soon as he sees my messages, so we can start working where we left.

I was going to make a comment to him about confirming to you the last three digits of your Whatsapp number but then decided to not mention it because when accounts get sold nowadays many of them come along with email addresses and a known/linked address capable of signing a message therefore returning to the seller to ask for the Whatsapp number should not be too difficult if the accounts was sold. I am not stating that is what occurred, I am speculating at some possibilities.

Having said that, if he made a video call with you that would be excellent for identity confirmation otherwise it will raise questions even if there is a signed message from a known address.

The OP was concerned therefore created the thread, had you responded to him this thread would have been unnecessary. Imagine, going through all this hassle including replying in this thread but ignoring this post. Can you add your perspective?

The last thing remaining is identity verification, Which I can do easily through video call, which we used to do back in 2019. Hope @alani123 can do this step with me.

[irfan_pak10]

Update- He is active but seems to be dodging my question, I pmed him here and on Skype two days ago, but no answer. Hoping he missed my message.

I really hope that this is G.K, As I missed him a lot, he was my company BDM and was really good at his job. Sent him a PM and want to call as soon as he sees my messages, so we can start working where we left.

I was going to make a comment to him about confirming to you the last three digits of your Whatsapp number but then decided to not mention it because when accounts get sold nowadays many of them come along with email addresses and a known/linked address capable of signing a message therefore returning to the seller to ask for the Whatsapp number should not be too difficult if the accounts was sold. I am not stating that is what occurred, I am speculating at some possibilities.

Having said that, if he made a video call with you that would be excellent for identity confirmation otherwise it will raise questions even if there is a signed message from a known address.

The OP was concerned therefore created the thread, had you responded to him this thread would have been unnecessary. Imagine, going through all this hassle including replying in this thread but ignoring this post. Can you add your perspective?

The last thing remaining is identity verification, Which I can do easily through video call, which we used to do back in 2019. Hope @alani123 can do this step with me.

[SmartGold01]

Irfan_pak10 you did well to have drag his attention at least to be at the safer side, actually lot of drama do happen over here for just a common mistake and with our decision and finding we might conclude and give a rash decision on something we might not know is just a common error or mistakes but, I am grateful he came to clear the air by signing a message. This alone stops the whole drama, maybe when next we need to be patient to wait for feedback maybe probably we can wait for some weeks or months to know whether that person will respond after reading messages because there are people who have other jobs that mostly occupied their time and could give little attention to the forum so at the cost of their absence we might ran into conclusion that something phishing is wrong with the account.

[JollyGood]

If you have tried using various methods to contact him but he has not responded, there could be reasonable explanations but if he has returned to the forum and has posted in this thread (yet has consistently decided to ignore your request for a voice/video call to confirm his identity as well as chat between two associates who have communicated outside of this forum several times), it seems he is actively avoiding you.

Yes there is a strong possibility the account could have changed hands but it is too soon to state for sure. As alani123 has now joined a signature campaign he will not be able to ignore you or this thread because he will need to meet post quota to receive payment. He really should clear this doubt as soon as possible by contacting you.

Update- He is active but seems to be dodging my question, I pmed him here and on Skype two days ago, but no answer. Hoping he missed my message.

[JollyGood]

Well, in the past three days alani123 has made three posts in the Greek local board: Ninjastic

I have had a look at his post history and can find zero posts in local boards over the years yet here he is posting again after a gap of absence but has not committed himself to ID verification with you even though you and the original owner of the account were on video call terms.

If the account was hacked he should not be in position to use it. If it was sold/purchased, he still should not be able to use it therefore negative tags would suffice. The only way around avoiding negative feedback would be for the current operator of the alani123 account to prove to you he operates it therefore I will place a neutral tag. If he cannot verify his identity to you within 48 hours I will replace it with a negative tag.

Let us not forget, he signed a message from a known address, that means if the account was sold/purchased the known address was part of the deal just as many sales include nowadays. In an attempt to further deceive, the current operator could (by virtue of offering more money) ask the original owner to make that video call to claim he is still operating the account. We do not know what he will say but he should be allowed some time to reply.

I have sent a PM advising him to post here:

Hello alani123,

I hope you are well.

Thank you for posting in the thread irfan_pak10 created I believe this account is handled by someone else to question whether your account was still in the control of the person that created it. Also, thank you for signing a message from a known address.

All available evidence suggests the account has been either sold or hacked and for that reason I should leave a negative tag, however, I left a temporary neutral tag which will be removed either after you make the video call with irfan_pak10 and he confirms your identity or it will be replaced with a negative tag if you do not post in the thread with a believable explanation within the next couple of days.

Wishing you a good day. Thank you.

Kind Regards

I had a good connection with user alani123 back in 2018-2019 when he disappeared from all the online channels. I tried him everywhere even his WhatsApp but could get any response till now. He was offline from bitcointalk too, Now few days ago I see activity from this account and again tried all the channels but not getting a response. That's why I'm believing the account owner has been changed.  

Eγώ ένα πράγμα πoυ δεν μπoρώ να καταλάβω είναι τo εξής. Eίχαμε τρελή διάσπαση τoυ χώρoυ τo 2015 και τo χειρότερo bear market με τo blocksize debate.
O Roger Ver έφτιαξε τo BCash, έγιναν δεκάδες forks πoυ πάλι καλά πέθαναν, εμφανίστηκε o CSW και έκανε τo δικό τoυ fork πoυ πλέoν πάει κατά διαόλoυ... Aλλά τo σημαντικότερo είναι πως τότε χάσαμε και πoλλoύς έως τότε σoβαρoύς developers απ' τo να συνεισφέρoυν στo BTC.

Λoιπόν αν θυμάμαι καλά υπήρξε καιρό αργότερα με τo SegWit ένας συμβιβασμός και με soft fork πoυ θα επέκτεινε των χώρo των blocks στα 4MB oυσιαστικά.

To θέμα είναι πως τόσo καιρό μετά από όλo αυτό τo δράμα, oυσιαστικά ανενόχλητoι κάπoιoι έκαναν push τo upgrade στo software τoυ bitcoin πoυ δίνει την δυνατότητα για συναλλαγές πoυ υπoστηρίζoυν τα Ordinal και τo BRC-20 να είναι πλέoν έγκυρες on-chain. Aυτό πoυ απoρώ εγώ είναι τo ΠΩΣ; Πώς κατάφερε να περάσει κάτι τέτoιo απ' την κoινότητα τoυ bitcoin;

Θέλoυμε να καταλήξoυμε σαν τo ethereum πoυ λόγo τoυ φoυσκώματoς της αλυσίδας είναι αδύνατoν να χoστάρεις πλέoν ένα full node; Ήδη τo blockchain size τoυ bitcoin έχει αρχίσει να διoγκώνεται με πoλύ μεγάλoυς ρυθμoύς και αν δoύμε ξανά μια ενδεχόμενη άνoιξη στα crypto θα γίνει ακόμη χειρότερo τo θέμα πιστεύω.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Well, in the past three days alani123 has made three posts in the Greek local board: Ninjastic

I have had a look at his post history and can find zero posts in local boards over the years yet here he is posting again after a gap of absence <...>

You haven't looked very hard, then. I have picked up pages of his post history randomly and I do see posts written in Greek. On page 51, or this one from May 2013, at the beginning of his post history. And I haven't looked very hard, so I'm sure there are many, many more.

but has not committed himself to ID verification with you even though you and the original owner of the account were on video call terms.

If the account was hacked he should not be in position to use it. If it was sold/purchased, he still should not be able to use it therefore negative tags would suffice. The only way around avoiding negative feedback would be for the current operator of the alani123 account to prove to you he operates it therefore I will place a neutral tag. If he cannot verify his identity to you within 48 hours I will replace it with a negative tag.

Is this a joke or what? Are we going to ask for KYC now to prove ownership of bitcointalk accounts? Face calls? If he severed his relationship with the OP for some reason, maybe he suddenly doesn't feel like talking to him for the same reason he stopped talking to him.

Let us not forget, he signed a message from a known address, that means if the account was sold/purchased the known address was part of the deal just as many sales include nowadays.

How do you know this? As far as I know signing a message has always been considered the strongest way to prove ownership of a bitcointalk account.

In an attempt to further deceive, the current operator could (by virtue of offering more money) ask the original owner to make that video call to claim he is still operating the account.

So if he finally has a KYC/Face call with the OP we will continue to assume that the account has been bought, denying all the evidence?

All available evidence suggests the account has been either sold or hacked<...>

I don't agree with this.

[nutildah]

Well, in the past three days alani123 has made three posts in the Greek local board: Ninjastic

I have had a look at his post history and can find zero posts in local boards over the years yet here he is posting again after a gap of absence but has not committed himself to ID verification with you even though you and the original owner of the account were on video call terms.

Nobody should ever have to "commit to ID verification" here, that's creepy.

He has mentioned "Greece" dozens of times in his posting history:

I'm in Greece

Yup, I live in Greece.

Additionally, threatening people with negative tags if they don't respond to your inquiry - as you have done with your neutral trust - is not cool. Nobody should have to provide anybody with additional information about themselves. Its on you as an investigator to find the information yourself. In this instance, it was quite easy to do.

[irfan_pak10]

Well, in the past three days alani123 has made three posts in the Greek local board: Ninjastic

I have had a look at his post history and can find zero posts in local boards over the years yet here he is posting again after a gap of absence but has not committed himself to ID verification with you even though you and the original owner of the account were on video call terms.

Nobody should ever have to "commit to ID verification" here, that's creepy.

-snip-

Not if two people already known each other for few years and they use to do it. I asked him only as we were close and use to do meetings at Skype. I asked him so we can start where we left, and if he is real G.K he will or would have already completed that ID verification with me.

Edit. 

I can confirm he is from Greece 🇬🇷. He invited me to visit him there 😝