Trump and Protestors something doesn’t feel right!.

[Juggy777]

The media has stopped writing about Hong Kong protestors but if you’ll remember those protestors called on Trump for aid, they even waved US flags to further annoy China and now quickly let’s come to Iran once again there’re protests going on and Trump has openly hinted he’s standing behind them. If you start seeing the bigger picture out here it looks like Trump is instigating those protestors, and I know now I’m sounding like a conspiracy theorist but connect the dots both China and Iran had problems with US and both the countries witnessed protests happening in their respective countries.

So now I’ll leave it for the experts to answer these questions:

1) Did Trump intentionally instigate those protestors so he would get both of these countries to sign deals with him. (As we will discuss China will already be signing phase one deal with US).

2) Did he plan this in advance considering he’s feeling threatened by the impeachment probe, and believed he would need these deals to convince voters to re-elect him as their President.

Sources:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/08/hong-kong-protesters-call-on-donald-trump-to-liberate-territory

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/11/politics/trump-support-iran-protesters/index.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/china-liu-sign-phase-1-trade-deal-week-ministry-200109072224778.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-plane-protests.html

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[TECSHARE]

This is far beyond just Trump. If you look into the history and funding behind most of these various "color revolutions" and "springs" you will find they are organic events that are amplified and assisted by intelligence organizations. It happens all over the world. The one in Ukraine in particular has lots of ties back to the previous US administration, hence all the "quid pro-quo" call garbage to misdirect from these happenings.

[allthingsluxury]

Highly doubt Trump has had any part in this, besides seeing an opportunity to act and take advantage of the situation in favor of the United States. However, this is not to say that strings are not being pulled behind the scenes. In all likelihood, things are.

[tsaroz]

We all know US always funds the destabilizing factor on the countries that it finds challenging. Hong Kong and Iran protest are undoubtedly funded by US as many others around the world.
But we should also not forget that the people in the both places are not satisfied with what they are getting from the leaders. Any government that restricts freedom of speech is not in favor of the general public.
China needs to work harder to make a safe landing, if their political system failed, it would be much harsh than soviet union but if they gradually shifted towards a more people centric government they'd save both China and the Chinese people.
Khameni too has been dictating Iran for a long time. Iran has one of the longest experience of democracy among Arab estates and Khameni is a bad image for democracy in Iran.
But again I don't support external intervention as the people themselves should genuinely rise to make a change.
If the US wants they should first start selling democracy in Saudi, the largest sponsor of religious terrorism.

[yoseph]

I will say that Trump didn't have anything to do with Hong Kong protests which was brought on by the decision of Carrie Lim introducing a bill which would have  extradited certain criminal  people to China if enacted and this is what lead to the protests and it's common knowledge that the people of Hong Kong has always been against Chinese interference in their affairs.

[Spendulus]

I will say that Trump didn't have anything to do with Hong Kong protests which was brought on by the decision of Carrie Lim introducing a bill which would have  extradited certain criminal  people to China if enacted and this is what lead to the protests and it's common knowledge that the people of Hong Kong has always been against Chinese interference in their affairs.

Agreed. The Hong Kong/mainland dynamic came to a head with those events without any US meddling.

[sovie]

I don't think Trump can dare to support openly Hong Kong protestors, China is not an Iran who will just sit quietly if anything from Trump goes to them. Nonetheless other countries only take advantage of your internal chaos which is created by local governments and people. Settle your issues yourself else others will interfere.

[TECSHARE]

I don't think Trump can dare to support openly Hong Kong protestors, China is not an Iran who will just sit quietly if anything from Trump goes to them. Nonetheless other countries only take advantage of your internal chaos which is created by local governments and people. Settle your issues yourself else others will interfere.

He absolutely could and would dare to openly support the Hong Kong protests, but he doesn't have to. The simple fact that China knows a crack down on Hong Kong would be bad optics for them as well as hurt them at the negotiating table with the US is already quite a bit of help to them. I recently heard some one float the idea of inviting Hong Kong to be the 51st state in the union. I think that would be a great idea

[merchantofzeny]

1) Did Trump intentionally instigate those protestors so he would get both of these countries to sign deals with him. (As we will discuss China will already be signing phase one deal with US).

There's a possibility but with this one I think it grew out naturally due to increasing pressure from Beijing and maybe the CIA just rode along. Let us remember that there were also CPC agents on the ground during the height of the protest trying to paint it as a Western plant so there could be a psyops battle happening down there too.

2) Did he plan this in advance considering he’s feeling threatened by the impeachment probe, and believed he would need these deals to convince voters to re-elect him as their President.

This would have been a risky move considering the state of journalism in the US. Him apparently dragging the US into another war is not good publicity and something that not all of his supporters might be OK with.

[TheCoinGrabber]

Do you think he was behind last year's protest against the Iranian government? Coz if he was then all progress was erased when he had Soleimani killed. Now support for the gov't in Iran is stronger than ever, or at least they no longer hate their gov't as bad as they do America. So no, I don't think Trump was behind that, it's clear that the cause was economic (hence why the mob targeted banks).

Same with Hong Kong, we know the protest arose organically, at least that's how it appears to me. Tension has been building up and the proposed bill that would have allowed HKers to be sent to the mainland for trial was the final straw.

If the US wants they should first start selling democracy in Saudi, the largest sponsor of religious terrorism.

That's cute but I doubt it'll ever happen. All this terrorism benefit the US government. In the homeland it allows them a justification for surveillance and abroad it gives them a reason to intervene.

[squatz1]

I don't think Trump can dare to support openly Hong Kong protestors, China is not an Iran who will just sit quietly if anything from Trump goes to them. Nonetheless other countries only take advantage of your internal chaos which is created by local governments and people. Settle your issues yourself else others will interfere.

He absolutely could and would dare to openly support the Hong Kong protests, but he doesn't have to. The simple fact that China knows a crack down on Hong Kong would be bad optics for them as well as hurt them at the negotiating table with the US is already quite a bit of help to them. I recently heard some one float the idea of inviting Hong Kong to be the 51st state in the union. I think that would be a great idea

I mean there's also the fact that if Trump had done such a thing, stressing OPENLY here, then he's not going to get a trade deal with China and the market isn't going to be happy with that. The market isn't a big fan of uncertain and change in regards to trade laws, regulations, etc.

While I do want the HK protesters to be supported by Trump, I think the best way to do it, to ensure stability, is to support HK covertly. Do it through the intelligence agencies.

[TECSHARE]

Do you think he was behind last year's protest against the Iranian government? Coz if he was then all progress was erased when he had Soleimani killed. Now support for the gov't in Iran is stronger than ever, or at least they no longer hate their gov't as bad as they do America. So no, I don't think Trump was behind that, it's clear that the cause was economic (hence why the mob targeted banks).

Same with Hong Kong, we know the protest arose organically, at least that's how it appears to me. Tension has been building up and the proposed bill that would have allowed HKers to be sent to the mainland for trial was the final straw.

If the US wants they should first start selling democracy in Saudi, the largest sponsor of religious terrorism.

That's cute but I doubt it'll ever happen. All this terrorism benefit the US government. In the homeland it allows them a justification for surveillance and abroad it gives them a reason to intervene.

I think your estimation of the public support the Iranian citizens have for their government is WAY off base. The sanctions against Iran alone have done their job and have sowed much discontent for their leadership. When the economy isn't doing well the government gets a lot of resistance, this is nearly universal. Also I think you are underestimating the modernization of Iran and their citizen's desire to be more moderate. There are lots of signs of this if you bother to look. While I think the Western intelligence agencies certainly are playing a role in the unrest in Iran, it would not be possible if there was not a large popular push for it.

He absolutely could and would dare to openly support the Hong Kong protests, but he doesn't have to. The simple fact that China knows a crack down on Hong Kong would be bad optics for them as well as hurt them at the negotiating table with the US is already quite a bit of help to them. I recently heard some one float the idea of inviting Hong Kong to be the 51st state in the union. I think that would be a great idea

I mean there's also the fact that if Trump had done such a thing, stressing OPENLY here, then he's not going to get a trade deal with China and the market isn't going to be happy with that. The market isn't a big fan of uncertain and change in regards to trade laws, regulations, etc.

While I do want the HK protesters to be supported by Trump, I think the best way to do it, to ensure stability, is to support HK covertly. Do it through the intelligence agencies.

I disagree. The scenario I outlined in a lot of ways is a lot more hands off. If he was covertly meddling with China, not only would that piss them off more IMO, it would be very bad optics for him as well as de-legitimize the Hong Kong freedom movement. This would also serve to sow even more distrust from them than they already have being a highly suspicious people living in a low trust society used to saying one thing and doing another. This atmosphere is antithetical to a productive negotiation.

Him mildly and publicly supporting Hong Kong could even be interpreted by China as being a political move to satiate the US and world population as long as he is not too hamfisted about it, which he hasn't been. Additionally him giving a bit of a prod over Hong Kong but not full on addressing it is in a lot of ways a power move that creates a lot of leverage for him to use over China in the trade negotiations.

In effect he is saying I could make this much worse for you, and you really couldn't do much about it other than what you are already doing. IMO he has been handling China expertly in spite of the media critique of his approach to the situation. China is hurting a lot more than is publicly being disclosed over the pressure he is applying. This is not without cost for the USA of course, but IMO this needed to be done 20 years ago, and avoiding it would only seal our fate and slowly allow China to start taking control here in the US. This is not just about the economy but preserving our way of life. The interesting thing too is even though short term this is somewhat painful for the US economy as well, longer term it is pushing development of domestic industry putting us in a much better strategic position and creating a more independent North American industrial base.

[squatz1]

Do you think he was behind last year's protest against the Iranian government? Coz if he was then all progress was erased when he had Soleimani killed. Now support for the gov't in Iran is stronger than ever, or at least they no longer hate their gov't as bad as they do America. So no, I don't think Trump was behind that, it's clear that the cause was economic (hence why the mob targeted banks).

Same with Hong Kong, we know the protest arose organically, at least that's how it appears to me. Tension has been building up and the proposed bill that would have allowed HKers to be sent to the mainland for trial was the final straw.

If the US wants they should first start selling democracy in Saudi, the largest sponsor of religious terrorism.

That's cute but I doubt it'll ever happen. All this terrorism benefit the US government. In the homeland it allows them a justification for surveillance and abroad it gives them a reason to intervene.

I think your estimation of the public support the Iranian citizens have for their government is WAY off base. The sanctions against Iran alone have done their job and have sowed much discontent for their leadership. When the economy isn't doing well the government gets a lot of resistance, this is nearly universal. Also I think you are underestimating the modernization of Iran and their citizen's desire to be more moderate. There are lots of signs of this if you bother to look. While I think the Western intelligence agencies certainly are playing a role in the unrest in Iran, it would not be possible if there was not a large popular push for it.

He absolutely could and would dare to openly support the Hong Kong protests, but he doesn't have to. The simple fact that China knows a crack down on Hong Kong would be bad optics for them as well as hurt them at the negotiating table with the US is already quite a bit of help to them. I recently heard some one float the idea of inviting Hong Kong to be the 51st state in the union. I think that would be a great idea

I mean there's also the fact that if Trump had done such a thing, stressing OPENLY here, then he's not going to get a trade deal with China and the market isn't going to be happy with that. The market isn't a big fan of uncertain and change in regards to trade laws, regulations, etc.

While I do want the HK protesters to be supported by Trump, I think the best way to do it, to ensure stability, is to support HK covertly. Do it through the intelligence agencies.

I disagree. The scenario I outlined in a lot of ways is a lot more hands off. If he was covertly meddling with China, not only would that piss them off more IMO, it would be very bad optics for him as well as de-legitimize the Hong Kong freedom movement. This would also serve to sow even more distrust from them than they already have being a highly suspicious people living in a low trust society used to saying one thing and doing another. This atmosphere is antithetical to a productive negotiation.

Him mildly and publicly supporting Hong Kong could even be interpreted by China as being a political move to satiate the US and world population as long as he is not too hamfisted about it, which he hasn't been. Additionally him giving a bit of a prod over Hong Kong but not full on addressing it is in a lot of ways a power move that creates a lot of leverage for him to use over China in the trade negotiations.

In effect he is saying I could make this much worse for you, and you really couldn't do much about it other than what you are already doing. IMO he has been handling China expertly in spite of the media critique of his approach to the situation. China is hurting a lot more than is publicly being disclosed over the pressure he is applying. This is not without cost for the USA of course, but IMO this needed to be done 20 years ago, and avoiding it would only seal our fate and slowly allow China to start taking control here in the US. This is not just about the economy but preserving our way of life. The interesting thing too is even though short term this is somewhat painful for the US economy as well, longer term it is pushing development of domestic industry putting us in a much better strategic position and creating a more independent North American industrial base.

I suppose so. I suppose the only thing that covertley looking into China does is -- if the Chinese found out they're going to be able to change the narrative from looking into the abuses of China on HK protestors into -- look at what the Americans are doing, they're trying to hurt CHINA. All that does is feed into anti American rhetoric.

I agree with the portion about China should've been reigned in a long time ago. It's disgusting that we went this long without actually doing anything about China. They've broken law after law and deal after deal, and politicans turned a blind eye because they knew that the $$$$$$ was in just letting China do its thing and that MAYBE someone down the line would fix the problem. That leaves Trump in a position where -- you're damned if you do (fix the china problems) and you're damned if you don't.

I'd much rather have some short term pain then long term pain for the next generation of children. I think we should extend that line of thinking into other things such as the DEBT.

[TECSHARE]

I suppose so. I suppose the only thing that covertley looking into China does is -- if the Chinese found out they're going to be able to change the narrative from looking into the abuses of China on HK protestors into -- look at what the Americans are doing, they're trying to hurt CHINA. All that does is feed into anti American rhetoric.

I agree with the portion about China should've been reigned in a long time ago. It's disgusting that we went this long without actually doing anything about China. They've broken law after law and deal after deal, and politicans turned a blind eye because they knew that the $$$$$$ was in just letting China do its thing and that MAYBE someone down the line would fix the problem. That leaves Trump in a position where -- you're damned if you do (fix the china problems) and you're damned if you don't.

I'd much rather have some short term pain then long term pain for the next generation of children. I think we should extend that line of thinking into other things such as the DEBT.

The only way the debt is going to be fixed is with a total global economic reset and tearing down The Federal Reserve, and Trump knows this. He is preparing us for this inevitability. The only question is how hard is this reset going to be. He has been preparing us for this moment by incentivizing domestic industry so that we can be more independent, as once the system ends the US will lose the distinct advantage of being home to the printing press.

What does some one do just before they file for bankruptcy? They max out all of their credit cards and take on as much debt as possible to get a hold of anything they think they can keep, then they file. Trump knows the debt trap is an inescapable black hole, but it is also one based on an odious premise of inflationary fractional reserve fraud. Right now he is maxing out the credit cards to get all we can out of this sham system before it collapses under its own weight. These are all strategies Trump has lots of experience leveraging. People suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome often point to his bankruptcies as failures, but actually they are evidence of his economic genius, because if done correctly bankruptcy can lead to a net gain. It is only a matter of time before the current economic order fails. The orderliness of this collapse is still yet to be determined.

[squatz1]

I suppose so. I suppose the only thing that covertley looking into China does is -- if the Chinese found out they're going to be able to change the narrative from looking into the abuses of China on HK protestors into -- look at what the Americans are doing, they're trying to hurt CHINA. All that does is feed into anti American rhetoric.

I agree with the portion about China should've been reigned in a long time ago. It's disgusting that we went this long without actually doing anything about China. They've broken law after law and deal after deal, and politicans turned a blind eye because they knew that the $$$$$$ was in just letting China do its thing and that MAYBE someone down the line would fix the problem. That leaves Trump in a position where -- you're damned if you do (fix the china problems) and you're damned if you don't.

I'd much rather have some short term pain then long term pain for the next generation of children. I think we should extend that line of thinking into other things such as the DEBT.

The only way the debt is going to be fixed is with a total global economic reset and tearing down The Federal Reserve, and Trump knows this. He is preparing us for this inevitability. The only question is how hard is this reset going to be. He has been preparing us for this moment by incentivizing domestic industry so that we can be more independent, as once the system ends the US will lose the distinct advantage of being home to the printing press.

What does some one do just before they file for bankruptcy? They max out all of their credit cards and take on as much debt as possible to get a hold of anything they think they can keep, then they file. Trump knows the debt trap is an inescapable black hole, but it is also one based on an odious premise of inflationary fractional reserve fraud. Right now he is maxing out the credit cards to get all we can out of this sham system before it collapses under its own weight. These are all strategies Trump has lots of experience leveraging. People suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome often point to his bankruptcies as failures, but actually they are evidence of his economic genius, because if done correctly bankruptcy can lead to a net gain. It is only a matter of time before the current economic order fails. The orderliness of this collapse is still yet to be determined.

That's a bit much there TS. While I do think that Trump can be a smart person. I do also think that he's an older person with a political ambition of winning another term. It really doesn't matter to him (just like past presidents) what happens after their 8 years in office because at that point they're not running the show anymore and they're not liable for what happens.

No one cares about the budget in the government. All they want to do is get reelected. If that means spending a ton of money on programs to ensure that tons of people get stuff for free from the government, tons of people are employed by the government, and a good deal of our corporations are given welfare by the government, then the politicians will throw their 'ideals' away to ensure that the people stay happy.

In the private sector, bankruptcy can lead to a net gain. But when you're talking about governments, bankruptcy is NEVER a good thing. If the US beings to declare bankrupty, we're already erupted into some sort of horrid chaos (with bloodshed)

[TECSHARE]

That's a bit much there TS. While I do think that Trump can be a smart person. I do also think that he's an older person with a political ambition of winning another term. It really doesn't matter to him (just like past presidents) what happens after their 8 years in office because at that point they're not running the show anymore and they're not liable for what happens.

No one cares about the budget in the government. All they want to do is get reelected. If that means spending a ton of money on programs to ensure that tons of people get stuff for free from the government, tons of people are employed by the government, and a good deal of our corporations are given welfare by the government, then the politicians will throw their 'ideals' away to ensure that the people stay happy.

In the private sector, bankruptcy can lead to a net gain. But when you're talking about governments, bankruptcy is NEVER a good thing. If the US beings to declare bankrupty, we're already erupted into some sort of horrid chaos (with bloodshed)

No one said it was a good thing, I said it was inevitable. The point was he is making the best of a bad situation and making prudent moves to run damage control on what will inevitably be an absolute disaster regardless of what anyone does. You are conflating the subject of his bankruptcy experience with public and private sector bankruptcies being the same thing. The point was he knows how these strategies works intimately, the rest you are just reading into it too much. A global economic reset is mathematically inevitable. It is only a matter of how painful it is going to be, and for who.

[KingScorpio]

The media has stopped writing about Hong Kong protestors but if you’ll remember those protestors called on Trump for aid, they even waved US flags to further annoy China and now quickly let’s come to Iran once again there’re protests going on and Trump has openly hinted he’s standing behind them. If you start seeing the bigger picture out here it looks like Trump is instigating those protestors, and I know now I’m sounding like a conspiracy theorist but connect the dots both China and Iran had problems with US and both the countries witnessed protests happening in their respective countries.

So now I’ll leave it for the experts to answer these questions:

1) Did Trump intentionally instigate those protestors so he would get both of these countries to sign deals with him. (As we will discuss China will already be signing phase one deal with US).

2) Did he plan this in advance considering he’s feeling threatened by the impeachment probe, and believed he would need these deals to convince voters to re-elect him as their President.

Sources:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/08/hong-kong-protesters-call-on-donald-trump-to-liberate-territory

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/11/politics/trump-support-iran-protesters/index.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/china-liu-sign-phase-1-trade-deal-week-ministry-200109072224778.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/world/middleeast/iran-plane-protests.html

no, people that protest usually are the surpressed proletarian (salary slaves) of the society.paid protesting doesnt work very good at all.

they try to reach all help they can get, there where also protesters siding with hitler all around the world. including usa and france.

[tvbcof]

These types of operations are basically the core job description of entire wings of the U.S. government (big parts of the State Department and CIA.)  They have dedicated sponsored entities focused on such operations (USAID, NED, etc) and they often outsource operations to quasi-independent entities (Soros, Google, etc.)

More and more it is fair to say that the likes of Soros and Google outsource this kind of stuff to the State Department, but either way they have well developed channels for communication often utilizing people who work for both entities simultaneously.

I doubt that Trump himself has anything to do with most of these things.  He's probably not even 'read in' to many of these operations.  For all intents and purposes it's above his pay-grade.

One group takes a lead role in managing the president/puppet and to be sure they have a seats on the committees who plans color revolutions and such.  Those people tell Trump what to sign and where.  To that degree 'Trump' is involved, but I doubt any deeper than that in almost any cases.  It's was the same with Obama, GW Bush, and Clinton as well.  GHW Bush might have taken a more hands-on to this aspect of government simply because he came directly from Intel and was already read in to many of the programs.

[merchantofzeny]

Do you think he was behind last year's protest against the Iranian government? Coz if he was then all progress was erased when he had Soleimani killed. Now support for the gov't in Iran is stronger than ever, or at least they no longer hate their gov't as bad as they do America. So no, I don't think Trump was behind that, it's clear that the cause was economic (hence why the mob targeted banks).

Same with Hong Kong, we know the protest arose organically, at least that's how it appears to me. Tension has been building up and the proposed bill that would have allowed HKers to be sent to the mainland for trial was the final straw.

If the US wants they should first start selling democracy in Saudi, the largest sponsor of religious terrorism.

That's cute but I doubt it'll ever happen. All this terrorism benefit the US government. In the homeland it allows them a justification for surveillance and abroad it gives them a reason to intervene.

I think your estimation of the public support the Iranian citizens have for their government is WAY off base. The sanctions against Iran alone have done their job and have sowed much discontent for their leadership. When the economy isn't doing well the government gets a lot of resistance, this is nearly universal. Also I think you are underestimating the modernization of Iran and their citizen's desire to be more moderate. There are lots of signs of this if you bother to look. While I think the Western intelligence agencies certainly are playing a role in the unrest in Iran, it would not be possible if there was not a large popular push for it.

Well, things turned around quickly when Iran shot down that Ukrainian passenger plane. Now people are pissed and asking officials to step down. I know the society is somewhat modernizing, I still remember their reaction about their gov't being angry about them dancing along to Happy.

We can only speculate on how much these agencies are involved in igniting unrest, I just hope regime change wouldn't be as messy as Iraq's. Last thing we want is an Iran based ISIS copycat that possibly can have access to nukes.

[Jet Cash]

Just because people call it a conspiracy theory, it doesn't meant that there isn't a conspiracy. Most of it comes from the new expanded British Empire.

Now here is a test for you doubters. Who is the ultimate land owner of the most land in the world. Answer - The British Queen ( well strictly the English Crown). It owns the whole of the UK, Canada, Australia, and a bunch of other countries. Don't believe me? Just think who owns the oil found under your "freehold" land, or the valuable treasure dug up on it. Then reflect on the outcome if the government wants to build a road over it.

There is more going on in the world of the stratified elite dynasties than many people imagine. Venezuela was trashed for the benefit of the Koch brothers in my opinion - that's another dynasty in the ruling group.