racism defamation law

[KingScorpio]

there is something called, innocent till proven guilty

To successfully sue someone for defamation, you need to prove they are guilty of defamation, meaning you have to prove their statement was false.

You can't prove Trump isn't racist, and even if you could, you'd still have to prove that the person calling him racist didn't believe he was racist.

If you think Trumps a racist, it's not defamation to call him a racist.

so why is it then allowed to insult trump to be racist then, if it could be a lie, targeting to destroy him?

shouldn't "racist" then not become an illegal word similar like the "n word"

[TwitchySeal]

there is something called, innocent till proven guilty

To successfully sue someone for defamation, you need to prove they are guilty of defamation, meaning you have to prove their statement was false.

You can't prove Trump isn't racist, and even if you could, you'd still have to prove that the person calling him racist didn't believe he was racist.

If you think Trumps a racist, it's not defamation to call him a racist.

so why is it then allowed to insult trump to be racist then, if it could be a lie, targeting to destroy him?

shouldn't "racist" then not become an illegal word similar like the "n word"

"n word" isn't illegal.  There are no illegal words in America, you can say what you think.

I do agree with you there should be consequences for someone who just makes shit up to hurt someone else's reputation, but I don't think calling someone a racist is a good example of that.  There are lots of people that truly believe Trump is a racist, and I think they should be able to say so.

[KingScorpio]

there is something called, innocent till proven guilty

To successfully sue someone for defamation, you need to prove they are guilty of defamation, meaning you have to prove their statement was false.

You can't prove Trump isn't racist, and even if you could, you'd still have to prove that the person calling him racist didn't believe he was racist.

If you think Trumps a racist, it's not defamation to call him a racist.

so why is it then allowed to insult trump to be racist then, if it could be a lie, targeting to destroy him?

shouldn't "racist" then not become an illegal word similar like the "n word"

"n word" isn't illegal.  There are no illegal words in America, you can say what you think.

I do agree with you there should be consequences for someone who just makes shit up to hurt someone else's reputation, but I don't think calling someone a racist is a good example of that.  There are lots of people that truly believe Trump is a racist, and I think they should be able to say so.

nope trump is not a racist, he is a strict christian capitalist.

[iRaMMuS34]

There's one thing that can put this kinda defamation to an end, it's called freedom of speech. Apparently it's in serious danger in today's western world

[TwitchySeal]

there is something called, innocent till proven guilty

To successfully sue someone for defamation, you need to prove they are guilty of defamation, meaning you have to prove their statement was false.

You can't prove Trump isn't racist, and even if you could, you'd still have to prove that the person calling him racist didn't believe he was racist.

If you think Trumps a racist, it's not defamation to call him a racist.

so why is it then allowed to insult trump to be racist then, if it could be a lie, targeting to destroy him?

shouldn't "racist" then not become an illegal word similar like the "n word"

"n word" isn't illegal.  There are no illegal words in America, you can say what you think.

I do agree with you there should be consequences for someone who just makes shit up to hurt someone else's reputation, but I don't think calling someone a racist is a good example of that.  There are lots of people that truly believe Trump is a racist, and I think they should be able to say so.

nope trump is not a racist, he is a strict christian capitalist.

I totally respect your opinion on Trump not being a racist.  It is just an opinion though, you can't know that he isn't racist.  Your perception of him is a combination of what he wants you to see, and what other people want you to see.  Unless you've had a personal relationship with him for a long period of time, I don't think you have enough info to conclude he's not racist.

Also, I imagine there are many racists that are also strict Christian Capitalists.  To become a member of the KKK, for example, you have to swear to uphold American values and Christian morality.

[KingScorpio]

there is something called, innocent till proven guilty

To successfully sue someone for defamation, you need to prove they are guilty of defamation, meaning you have to prove their statement was false.

You can't prove Trump isn't racist, and even if you could, you'd still have to prove that the person calling him racist didn't believe he was racist.

If you think Trumps a racist, it's not defamation to call him a racist.

so why is it then allowed to insult trump to be racist then, if it could be a lie, targeting to destroy him?

shouldn't "racist" then not become an illegal word similar like the "n word"

"n word" isn't illegal.  There are no illegal words in America, you can say what you think.

I do agree with you there should be consequences for someone who just makes shit up to hurt someone else's reputation, but I don't think calling someone a racist is a good example of that.  There are lots of people that truly believe Trump is a racist, and I think they should be able to say so.

nope trump is not a racist, he is a strict christian capitalist.

I totally respect your opinion on Trump not being a racist.  It is just an opinion though, you can't know that he isn't racist.  Your perception of him is a combination of what he wants you to see, and what other people want you to see.  Unless you've had a personal relationship with him for a long period of time, I don't think you have enough info to conclude he's not racist.

Also, I imagine there are many racists that are also strict Christian Capitalists.  To become a member of the KKK, for example, you have to swear to uphold American values and Christian morality.

you are speculating, and with your accusation of him being racist you only defame him, racism defamation has become a big part of american western culture.

if it will not stop many white people will simply stop taking "racism" allegations serious, and will ignore you, and you will even be ignored when you need the attention the most.

[TwitchySeal]

you are speculating

There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Unless you have absolutely all information that could possibly be available (almost never the case, especially when it comes to what a public figure actually thinks), you have two options: speculate || stop thinking about it.  

When you say 'Trump is not a racist' you are speculating.

Of course, I'm also speculating that you aren't one of Trumps closest confidants, family members, or Donald Trump himself.

[KingScorpio]

you are speculating

There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Unless you have absolutely all information that could possibly be available (almost never the case, especially when it comes to what a public figure actually thinks), you have two options: speculate || stop thinking about it.  

When you say 'Trump is not a racist' you are speculating.

Of course, I'm also speculating that you aren't one of Trumps closest confidants, family members, or Donald Trump himself.

well white people are also speculating on potential racism of nonwhite people.

can't be the case forever that only black people are allowed to defame others or speculate on racism

[TwitchySeal]

you are speculating

There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Unless you have absolutely all information that could possibly be available (almost never the case, especially when it comes to what a public figure actually thinks), you have two options: speculate || stop thinking about it.  

When you say 'Trump is not a racist' you are speculating.

Of course, I'm also speculating that you aren't one of Trumps closest confidants, family members, or Donald Trump himself.

well white people are also speculating on potential racism of nonwhite people.

can't be the case forever that only black people are allowed to defame others or speculate on racism

There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Unless you have absolutely all information that could possibly be available (almost never the case, especially when it comes to what a public figure actually thinks), you have two options: speculate || stop thinking about it.

[KingScorpio]

you are speculating

There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Unless you have absolutely all information that could possibly be available (almost never the case, especially when it comes to what a public figure actually thinks), you have two options: speculate || stop thinking about it.  

When you say 'Trump is not a racist' you are speculating.

Of course, I'm also speculating that you aren't one of Trumps closest confidants, family members, or Donald Trump himself.

well white people are also speculating on potential racism of nonwhite people.

can't be the case forever that only black people are allowed to defame others or speculate on racism

There's nothing wrong with speculating.

Unless you have absolutely all information that could possibly be available (almost never the case, especially when it comes to what a public figure actually thinks), you have two options: speculate || stop thinking about it.

well then white people today can say, they dont want immigrants from africa/asia and other regions of the world because those are not diverse and the poplation there could be racist.

why else should white countries be open for everyone and all other countries only for the ethnicities living there.

[TwitchySeal]

well then white people today can say, they dont want immigrants from africa/asia and other regions of the world because those are not diverse and the poplation there could be racist.

If they are in America then yeah, they can say that - and it doesn't matter what race they are.  Freedom of speech is vigorously defended here.

[KingScorpio]

well then white people today can say, they dont want immigrants from africa/asia and other regions of the world because those are not diverse and the poplation there could be racist.

If they are in America then yeah, they can say that - and it doesn't matter what race they are.  Freedom of speech is vigorously defended here.

freedom of speech is pointless if a violent mob around you will limit it.

[franky1]

freedom of speach is still freedom of speach.. it only becomes defamation (yet again i have to tell you this) if that 'speach' is directed at a person. AND that person has received harm due to it directly caused.


your free to say what you like. but expect repercussions if what you say or do negatively affects anyone.
its like the dumdum called badecker thinks his 'freedom to trave' means he can tresspass..
no.
he can walk. but that does not mean there is no consequences to his action from being on property that has rules and limitations on who/why someone should be on it.

say what you like but if their are consequences to your actions. accept the consequences.

media did not get hurt and neither did trump by the drama your trying to bait about racism.

and yes me saying badecker is a dumdum doesnt mean i commited a crime nor mean i have to prove it.

[KingScorpio]

media did not get hurt and neither did trump by the drama your trying to bait about racism.

and why live with constantly being accused of racism, by people that want to destroy you?

[franky1]

media did not get hurt and neither did trump by the drama your trying to bait about racism.

and why live with constantly being accused of racism, by people that want to destroy you?

if your talking about trump again (i know your a foolish superfan).. then trump is not being destroyed.
take it like an employment contract. his impeachment is just a employment reprimand that could lead to him having to resign.

and after wards. he will be more successful than ever for showing off he has had the top seat and america didnt burn under his watch. so investors will happily invest in his future ventures.

if you want to rebut that his reputation is tarnished. well im afraid to tell you this but his own words tarnished his own reputation. media just reported it.
so trump overal wont make any impactful financial loss due o things said about him. and media wont make a loss due to the opposite. so there is no civil case of defamation.

oh and by the way. if you dont want to constantly be accused of being racist. stop acting like one.
USA has the statue of liberty that quotes wanting to take in people of other countries. but trumps own words wants to buid a wall to keep foreigners out.

its HIS ACTIONS that caused the drama. and he should accept the consequences of HIS ACTIONS and not blame media for just talking about HIS ACTIONS

[KingScorpio]

media did not get hurt and neither did trump by the drama your trying to bait about racism.

and why live with constantly being accused of racism, by people that want to destroy you?

if your talking about trump again (i know your a foolish superfan).. then trump is not being destroyed.
take it like an employment contract. his impeachment is just a employment reprimand that could lead to him having to resign.

and after wards. he will be more successful than ever for showing off he has had the top seat and america didnt burn under his watch. so investors will happily invest in his future ventures.

nope you are wrong, only the election is a legitimate impeachment, everything else is simply deep state lobby trash.

democrats know exactly that they can't win an election against trump thats why they are desperate trying to impeach him

[Blockchayne]

there is something called, innocent till proven guilty

To successfully sue someone for defamation, you need to prove they are guilty of defamation, meaning you have to prove their statement was false.

You can't prove Trump isn't racist, and even if you could, you'd still have to prove that the person calling him racist didn't believe he was racist.

If you think Trumps a racist, it's not defamation to call him a racist.

so why is it then allowed to insult trump to be racist then, if it could be a lie, targeting to destroy him?

shouldn't "racist" then not become an illegal word similar like the "n word"

"n word" isn't illegal.  There are no illegal words in America, you can say what you think.

I do agree with you there should be consequences for someone who just makes shit up to hurt someone else's reputation, but I don't think calling someone a racist is a good example of that.  There are lots of people that truly believe Trump is a racist, and I think they should be able to say so.

nope trump is not a racist, he is a strict christian capitalist.

You say that as if his “Christian” Religion and the fact that he currently lives under capitalist economic policies  - is somehow proof that he is not racist. There are millions and millions of both racist Christians and also racist capitalists.  The KU Klux Klan is both Christian and Capitalist.

Now don’t confuse this for me saying Trump is a racist.  I am not at all saying that. I’m just poking a hole in your use of the Christian ideology and capitalist economy as proof of  some moral high road which inherently nullifies the possibility of hatred and ignorance. It does not.  In fact, I am
Inclined to think quite the opposite. But I’ll keep that to myself.

Racist or not racist? Does it matter? Well, i don’t believe it should. Mostly because “race” is (according to what I have researched) a social construct rather than A biological or genetic occurrence. ALL of the information that I could find from leading academic institutions seem to indicate that race is a social creation based off of perception rather than anything of a scientific basis.

With that idea in mind, now ask the question of whether he is racist or not? —— well “race” is mostly just a fabrication based on differences that we previously had no way of explaining - just like uhhhhh - religion....

Modern science can help put these outdated beliefs and ideologies to rest if we simply look at the research and let go of the rhetoric.

[KingScorpio]

Racist or not racist? Does it matter? Well, i don’t believe it should. Mostly because “race” is actually a social construct rather than I biological or genetic occurrence. ALL of the information that I have previously researched seems to indicate that race is a social creation based off of perception rather than anything of a scientific basis.

With that idea in mind, now ask the question of whether he is racist or not? —— well “race” is just a social fabrication - just like uhhhhh - religion... so no it doesn’t really make
A difference. In my opinion.  

jes it does matter because racism is wrong, we where told that in the west long time.

christians aren't allowed to be racist actually. they still appropriated ideals like beauty, in various kingdoms.

the devil was considered ugly,
light and brightess as good and holy and darkness as evil, from that racism manifasted itself

[Blockchayne]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/

The concept of “race” is built on false pretenses.  Racism is not morally wrong because the existence of race is  scientifically inaccurate.

Religion is built upon similarly structured false pretenses. Socially accepted falsehoods and mythological folklore.

[franky1]

seems kingscorpio wants to make this topic into some trump superfan showboat of how loyal he is to trump.

rather than discussion the ethics and rules and reality of racist dafamation law.