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So the whole thing started off as a meme on twitter, people were going crazy about it, the moment they heard news that Qasem Soleimani was killed by an US drone. At first, everything seemed all so scary, people were scared on how Iran would respond, and hell was breaking loose on the Streets or Iran. This goes two ways now, while Qasem Soleimani was a terrorist according to US, and has caused a lot of stuff in the past, some Iranians were still mad that US had murdered their major General, and they started chanting "Death to US" on the streets. On the other hand, many Iranians were happy that their General was dead. Now, how did Iran respond? They warned the US bases in Iraq that they were going to launch missiles 6 hours before they did, giving the US soldiers enough time to evacuate the base. And while this happens, Trump tweets: " All is well!" Now to the US side of things: The entire US is confused and perplexed on why all this happened. The Trump administration claims that Qasem Soleimani posed an "Imminent threat" towards the US, and apparently, 4 of their embassies were at potential risk. Weirdly enough, this was not the case, according to the Defense Secretary, as to him: there was no sign of an "Imminent Threat" towards anything. And whilst all this, Iran "accidentally" shot down an Ukranian Passenger plane. Politics all aside, nothing adds up. The US has been wanting Oil from Iran for years now, and this was somewhat of another failed attempt at it. Iran's tariffs are to be increased, and also, if things do go Haywire, Russia and China have Iran's back, they have held "Naval drills" in the Gulf of Oman. Now considering all of this, how is an economy like Iran going to stand up against the US? And how is the possibility of another World War contribute towards the whole global economy? I am still intrigued on the possible outcomes of how a modern-ized war will affect the overall economy. Also, could it be possible for Trump's attack on Iran be more of an Economic move than just mere politics? Something has to be there, right? Note: Don't spam.
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January 18, 2020, 02:44:59 AM |
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Now considering all of this, how is an economy like Iran going to stand up against the US? And how is the possibility of another World War contribute towards the whole global economy? I am still intrigued on the possible outcomes of how a modern-ized war will affect the overall economy. Also, could it be possible for Trump's attack on Iran be more of an Economic move than just mere politics? Something has to be there, right?
First, there will be no big war between the USA and Iran so we can only be dealing here with skirmishes like what happened recently. Both country can never afford, at least for now, a major showdown plus the international community is quite reluctant to fully support such an effort. It will be safe to say that we are getting wary of any war and even if there will really be a big imminent threat most people will just be burying their heads in the sands (so to speak). With the economic embargo imposed on Iran, there are many ways that it survived in the past and the country can just be using the same effective strategies. Iran has friends on high places, those who are working to undermine the overall interest and leadership of the USA. Iran has been working with countries friendly into it under a subtle environment and it can surely tap the same thing anytime. We have nothing to worry that Iran will collapse because it is very strong at the moment.
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January 18, 2020, 05:15:53 AM |
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We're past the times of territorial wars so I doubt anything huge would probably come up. The populace would rather resolve this in a way where only the two leaders fought back to back, without the innocents being harmed, and if Trump and the "supreme" leader had brains, they'd avoid doing such things. Not only that, if they ever did do such a war, other countries would not just stand by and watch, and would most likely erupt into not a war between the US and Iran only, but other countries joining in and taking sides. Of course, if one side dominated the other, it'd end pretty quickly IMO.
The US is currently adopting a waiting stance IMO to what Iran is actually going to do before responding, and for whatever reason Trump attacked the Iranian General. If Trumps goal was the Oil from Iran, it's a very badly made move, cause not only did he fail, he met with setbacks regarding Iran and as well as his closest allies, him being threatened of his closest allies by backing off from their alliance.
Now there were some articles that discussed the attack being a form of deterrence against the country of Iran, but it clearly backfired with how the Iran is acting right now.
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January 18, 2020, 05:22:38 AM |
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I would say if there's a WW3, then any dominant fiat of any country would fall, which means the dollar would lose its value and surely be replaced by a decentralized coin, which is none other than bitcoin. But, if there's WW3, it will also mean death of internet and electricity. So yeah, then also Bitcoin won't survive!
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January 18, 2020, 05:59:11 AM |
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There will be no such war. People have to take assumptions from what they read in news and then use that to make conclusions and then added are some spicy delusions to make it into a new conspiracy theory or a new news article to post in every social media they can. Talk about mental health being a problem with social media being a big risk factor. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Yeah but things happen with shills and scum being extremist and not using a little bit of logic. A war may seem nice to someone but it is not as it has been evident from what the effect of war has been from history. Those who have been the survivors of war know its effects and that is the reason why we have had so many movies, games only showing how bad war is for humanity. It is only a method of market manipulation here. Trying to either move the economy from the US-centric markets to other markets. Thats my opinion though. Bitcoin only moved up from 7k to 8k level for the time being. Dont think its related in anyway.
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January 18, 2020, 06:13:50 AM |
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So the whole thing started off as a meme on twitter, people were going crazy about it, the moment they heard news that Qasem Soleimani was killed by an US drone. At first, everything seemed all so scary, people were scared on how Iran would respond, and hell was breaking loose on the Streets or Iran. This goes two ways now, while Qasem Soleimani was a terrorist according to US, and has caused a lot of stuff in the past, some Iranians were still mad that US had murdered their major General, and they started chanting "Death to US" on the streets. On the other hand, many Iranians were happy that their General was dead. Now, how did Iran respond? They warned the US bases in Iraq that they were going to launch missiles 6 hours before they did, giving the US soldiers enough time to evacuate the base. And while this happens, Trump tweets: " All is well!" Now to the US side of things: The entire US is confused and perplexed on why all this happened. The Trump administration claims that Qasem Soleimani posed an "Imminent threat" towards the US, and apparently, 4 of their embassies were at potential risk. Weirdly enough, this was not the case, according to the Defense Secretary, as to him: there was no sign of an "Imminent Threat" towards anything. And whilst all this, Iran "accidentally" shot down an Ukranian Passenger plane. Politics all aside, nothing adds up. The US has been wanting Oil from Iran for years now, and this was somewhat of another failed attempt at it. Iran's tariffs are to be increased, and also, if things do go Haywire, Russia and China have Iran's back, they have held "Naval drills" in the Gulf of Oman. Now considering all of this, how is an economy like Iran going to stand up against the US? And how is the possibility of another World War contribute towards the whole global economy? I am still intrigued on the possible outcomes of how a modern-ized war will affect the overall economy. Also, could it be possible for Trump's attack on Iran be more of an Economic move than just mere politics? Something has to be there, right? Note: Don't spam. As far as oil is concerned USA has already got many from Iraq. Iran is sensible and will never start a war from its soil with USA. Iran know he will be just a piece of cake for powerful USA military. Good thing is we are not heading towards war.
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January 18, 2020, 06:51:04 AM |
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To be honest, I am really confused. It is said that this is Trump's fault, some say it is really Iran's fault and they are really plotting something to America. I don't know what to believe in and I know for sure, winning aside, something is also fueling this war, get it? As far as oil is concerned USA has already got many from Iraq. Iran is sensible and will never start a war from its soil with USA. Iran know he will be just a piece of cake for powerful USA military. Good thing is we are not heading towards war.
Iraq? No, they are getting oil from Saudi and other countries too. As far as I know, Iran threaten USA to attack Saudi if they take a revenge from attacking Iraq where one of the bases of America is located.
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January 18, 2020, 07:09:26 AM |
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First of all.A war in the Middle East will stay in the Middle East.Don't call it World War 3. Second.No politician in the world is so stupid to start a WW3,not even Trump. The Iranian "revenge" was silly.Why would they warn the US bases in Iraq before the missile attack? Most of the people in Iran wanted revenge,so the Iranian government imitated "revenge".The missile strike served for domestic propaganda purposes inside Iran only.
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January 18, 2020, 07:31:37 AM |
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US is always known to be a conqueror, if it wants something, it uses firepower and intimidation, together with penalties on trades to those who go against their will. Even if they say it's because of an 'imminent threat', killing someone on foreign land, especially a General, looks like an attempt to weaken the nation's morale.
A war isn't always good. It cripples the economy, even if they use cryptocurrencies. Most businesses would close, and there's no improvements if there are no participants like businesses. It might generate a short-lived pump though, but everything would be crashing, even stocks of local countries are affected.
Though those that aren't with the war might recieve minimal effects. But in a world war, it's either you're on the other side or not. Unless you established a neutrality like Switzerland.
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January 18, 2020, 08:35:52 AM |
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Now considering all of this, how is an economy like Iran going to stand up against the US? There are no eternal opponents and friends, only eternal interests. This will be done by Iran to survive the United States embargo. Here are some steps were taken by Iran - Collaborating with Turkey even though it is an American ally in NATO because of the interests of facing a common threat of Kurdish armed separatist groups in a region that collaborates with each other in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. - Partnering with Russia The two countries both support President Bashar al-Assad and are both against ISIS terrorists and pro-Western opposition. As far as Syria is concerned, the interests of Russia and Iran are complementary, because the two countries consider the Assad government as their valuable partner. Unfortunately, there is no strong economic foundation in this relationship because both Russia and Iran are oil-exporting countries, making it difficult to increase trade volume. - Collaborate with China (TINA - There is no alternative) The military of the Iranian Navy, China and Russia had conducted joint exercises in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Oman in December 2019. Nevertheless, China was seen as an unnecessary option during a crisis. The Chinese government can indeed provide a rescue path for Iran, especially when Iran is very much under pressure from sanctions. Thus, there is a longstanding perception and doubt in Iran, about over-dependence on China in the long run. In contrast to Russia, Iran has a strong economic foundation with China, that is, Iran can be a reliable supplier of China's growing need for crude oil, and will offer better prices, and even barter for oil under US sanctions. In essence, the American embargo on Iran has also created a wave of awareness in many countries in Asia, such as India, Japan, South Korea, and even European Union countries trying to create unique financial mechanisms to access Iran's energy resources. And how is the possibility of another World War contribute towards the whole global economy? I am still intrigued on the possible outcomes of how a modern-ized war will affect the overall economy. Also, could it be possible for Trump's attack on Iran be more of an Economic move than just mere politics? Something has to be there, right? In my personal opinion, since the security advisor was replaced by Robert O Brian from John Bolton, there was a difference in the concept of Trump's foreign policy from being aggressive to a containment strategy. Bolton was aggressively replaced because of the policy suggested by Bolton to be expensive for America and make other countries vigilant. The consideration for not continuing the War in Iran is with consideration (profit loss calculation). America is beginning to realize that the conflict in the Middle East is very complex and that all policies with Iran relate to the Trump First concept for forward and winning support in the second period. - Pro Israel policies to get financial support from Jewish donors and Christian Evangelists - Venezuela's total embargo policy, to win votes in the state of Florida - Conflict with Iran to get support from the Reb Republik party in the impeach session
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January 18, 2020, 09:46:53 AM |
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Well there are things that don't add up (Iran warning the US that they'll launch missiles) but as far the embassy in Baghdad is concerned, there is danger involved, or at least that's what I saw in the news with the embassy being mobbed, reminded me of the takeover of the embassy in Tehran. Most people I talk to agree that Iran warning the US was more a move to placate their populace without getting dragged into full-blown war. Like "OK, you caught us causing unrest in Iraq and you retaliated already, now let us deescalate this".
Too bad for them though shooting down the passenger plane (which I believe is truly an accident out of incompetence) meant things will not be OK for Iran for sometime as people protest more. I'd say the US got off this conflict easy. Like most people I believe there are resource-involved motives for this but by what mechanism it will unfold is still unclear. Who knows maybe they are already trying to force a regime change in there.
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January 18, 2020, 11:05:52 AM |
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The more modernize we get, the more harmful it is for the economy and the people who will be affected. Unlike the previous wars that was like years years ago, today's defense and weapons are more powerful so it can really kill a lot of people. But with the current situation, I don't think world war 3 would happen because of their conflict. The tension isn't heating up as of the moment which is good to calm both parties. I just hope they are not planning and preparing for any other attacks.
Rather than war with different countries, we're now facing a war with the environment. And I don't think that Iran will really start the war. They are just a small country compared to US. and US won't start it either. A lot of American citizens Don want Trump and any wrong move from Trump he can be impeached from his position. So I see no war will happen.
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January 18, 2020, 11:36:20 AM |
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To be honest, I am really confused.
It is said that this is Trump's fault, some say it is really Iran's fault and they are really plotting something to America. I don't know what to believe in and I know for sure, winning aside, something is also fueling this war, get it?
Everything is now different actually. Even the delivery of news is on social media and they are trying to spread a fake news. Actually it is impossible for the USA and Iran to have a war. This is not the old days where in you can just start a war. Today is completely different. We have so many things to consider like UN and laws that assures that war cannot be declared in just a snap.
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January 18, 2020, 11:41:33 AM |
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It is highly unlikely that World War 3 is coming from Iran or the US-Iran conflict. I even doubt that World War 3 is coming from the Middle East. Even if Iran will strongly stand against the US and will retaliate in a violent manner and the US will finally attack the oil-rich country, it will not really escalate into a World War. If it becomes a full-blown war, Iran will succumb in less than 20 days. And I don't believe Russia and China will let themselves be dragged on this game.
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January 18, 2020, 11:51:29 AM |
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Nobody wants war at this point in time, things are very much different now, a button can start and end a wat in an instant and can wipe many countries, Iran and the US is very much aware of that, whatever Trump motives it should not escalate to war, we have decent and sensible men who will stop that because it's catastrophe if it happens.
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January 18, 2020, 12:33:34 PM |
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Maybe you would look at editing this war titlld post because it looks instigating to me and for responses that I have read, it looks like a bitter discussion to people ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . For me the Iran and US disagreement is merely an interest thing and not a war. Although, commodities and currencies might be influenced.
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January 18, 2020, 12:58:03 PM |
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political turmoil between countries has created insecurity and greatly affected the economy for the people. then they will proactively look for assets that can help them store the value of their holdings to avoid inflation. then it will be easy to find gold and Bitcoin, one of the reasons is that the supply is limited and all are essential assets in the future. So my conclusion is that when WW3 happens, people will soon be looking to Bitcoin or Gold and the price of both of them will increase dramatically.
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January 18, 2020, 01:49:17 PM |
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Politics all aside, nothing adds up. The US has been wanting Oil from Iran for years now, and this was somewhat of another failed attempt at it. Iran's tariffs are to be increased, and also, if things do go Haywire, Russia and China have Iran's back, they have held "Naval drills" in the Gulf of Oman.
Now considering all of this, how is an economy like Iran going to stand up against the US? And how is the possibility of another World War contribute towards the whole global economy? I am still intrigued on the possible outcomes of how a modern-ized war will affect the overall economy. Also, could it be possible for Trump's attack on Iran be more of an Economic move than just mere politics? Something has to be there, right?
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The US doesn't care about Iran's oil, they have plenty of their own oil, and oil itself will be less important in the future because of the rise of renewables and the threat of climate change. This whole incident with Iran shows that no one wants WWIII, Iran didn't escalate after the killing of their general, the US didn't escalate after missile attacks, Ukraine and Canada didn't escalate after the plane got show down, Russia and China did absolutely nothing all this time. Look at the history of WWI - all countries wanted to go war, and with WWII Germany and Soviet Union were very eager to go to war, but this time it's nothing like that. As for impact on the future and economy, it's really pointless to talk about it, there's way to many scenarios - maybe it will be nuclear apocalypse, maybe the war won't be that destructive, and without knowing who will win it, you can't know how it will impact the world.
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January 18, 2020, 03:59:04 PM |
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the economy and politics will always coexist even though its implementation is always absurd, when the US attacked Iran a few days ago Iranians thought their currency would fall and then exchange it for commodities, and after that the crypto market rose a few percent overall, I don't know whether this was caused by war or not, but it would have an economic and political impact from both countries or spread to other countries. I do not know whether this war was deliberately made by the US in the interests of their political or economic interests. Clearly the war would have a huge negative impact not only on the two countries but other countries affected as well.
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January 18, 2020, 04:15:33 PM |
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No World War III would happen. I'd say both Iran and US know the repercussions of an event such a war, so I doubt the feud between the two would escalate to that. A war would only most likely happen in this world once resources are being started to be fought over, and diplomatic talks are not enough to calm those countries whom are in the brink of losing their resources.
Still, I kind of understand the fears and assumptions of the people, with how the current "supreme" leader is acting towards the US president, as well as towards the results of the "accidental" hit of missile of Iran to the Ukrainian plane. Then there's also Trump, we all know how Trump acts and really, his actions are sometimes unpredictable and most likely goes against literally what everyone wants. Though I doubt that both of them don't know what War really entails.
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