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[nasipadang]

2.-You have any conditions (wager) for deposits that you want to withdraw without having made bets.

2. I'm not quite sure but you mean if you deposit and you want to withdraw without placing bet? I really think you can do that one as long as you don't have any active promotions some website I think cancelled your promotion or bonus if you withdraw.

No you cant do that as it is one of the restricted thing on Tower.bet as you can read on their Terms of Use page. Look at below screenshot (check the highlighted term):



So even if you have no active promo, it is not allowed to deposit and withdraw your money without making any bets. It is a common practice imho as they are not a wallet service and I'm sure many casinos has similar terms about this case.

That is also quite normal and also logical that you cannot make a payment without having played with it. That would otherwise be a fairly simple way to launder money. Sites must comply with laws and regulations. I don't think any bookmaker would accept such a thing. What would be the logic of making a deposit, not playing and then cashing out?

[famososMuertos]

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Hi! dre1982
It is obvious that they are established through an algorithm that is related to the value of the sat/bytes rate.

what I question has time*, I am not seeing it today this happens since last year, on the other hand the legend says that paying the same you get different times and blocks, you must fix it.

(*) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267353.msg56039302#msg56039302

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1. I think it was all automated if you have seen that I think you should take advantage on the Fast one.
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It really is not what I ask what rate to use. But still thanks for answering.

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2. I'm not quite sure but you mean if you deposit and you want to withdraw without placing bet? I really think you can do that one as long as you don't have any active promotions some website I think cancelled your promotion or bonus if you withdraw.

Do you get this answer out of your pocket or did you read it in the TOS?
https://tower.bet/terms
Bitinity has made it clear in his comment.

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+1
Thank you for your correct answer, but it does not say how much is the minimum multiplier that I must do to withdraw, if it is in the TOS and I am missing it ... someone tell me where it appears.

No I don't use this casino as a wallet is not the point here.

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I do not know what you are talking about or what is the point here of touching other issues that are not relevant.

You don't help, you don't contribute anything and you end up asking a question 

let's get to the topic, I'm going to give you two reasons:
1.-You deposit and it turns out that for whatever "healthy" personal cause you decide to withdraw your money as simple as that, it is not my case by the way.

My case is the one that appears in the ToS in section 14 section 14.1 ...
2.-... "to make a deposit in order to reach minimum withdrawal amount;"

There you have two reasons.

However, if the thread support manager can clarify how many the minimum bets are or if someone found them in the ToS, please, it may be that I am missing them and I do not see them.

[n0ne]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

[Bitinity]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

Frankly speaking your statement does not make senses at all to me. Do you forget that tower.bet is a casino? What's the point of depositing some money on an online casino but not gamble it at all? Come on dude, it is a casino not an online wallet. No one is forced to gamble here obviously, if you feel that you are being forced to gamble means that you have other purpose of depositing money on a casino.

[dre1982]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

If they don't have such restriction they can't take action to money laundering. If you deposit for example BTC0,005 and withdraw that without gambling it wouldn't be a big deal.

If they do this with multiple BTC, it can be money laundering. So it has to be in the site rules but they only use it when needed.

[qory]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

If they don't have such restriction they can't take action to money laundering. If you deposit for example BTC0,005 and withdraw that without gambling it wouldn't be a big deal.

If they do this with multiple BTC, it can be money laundering. So it has to be in the site rules but they only use it when needed.

That's true I remember the blog that I read about hackers who do money launder the money they scammed to gambling websites thorough the built-in exchange. I really think that's their way of avoiding money launderers to their website.

[dre1982]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

If they don't have such restriction they can't take action to money laundering. If you deposit for example BTC0,005 and withdraw that without gambling it wouldn't be a big deal.

If they do this with multiple BTC, it can be money laundering. So it has to be in the site rules but they only use it when needed.

That's true I remember the blog that I read about hackers who do money launder the money they scammed to gambling websites thorough the built-in exchange. I really think that's their way of avoiding money launderers to their website.

Indeed and some regular players don't have any problems if they do it once with smaller amounts.  We all had a deposit to a gambling site which took days due a big mempool and after the confirmation we needed the money for something else. No problem if you directly withdraw that. I did that a few times on different site and didn't had any problem with that.

[arwin100]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

If they don't have such restriction they can't take action to money laundering. If you deposit for example BTC0,005 and withdraw that without gambling it wouldn't be a big deal.

If they do this with multiple BTC, it can be money laundering. So it has to be in the site rules but they only use it when needed.

That's true I remember the blog that I read about hackers who do money launder the money they scammed to gambling websites thorough the built-in exchange. I really think that's their way of avoiding money launderers to their website.

In this case then all casino should do some certain verification regarding unto this and I believe many casino now required the users to do a KYC who try to withdraw a huge amount to do a certain verification regarding of the request. I think the activities of frauds in casino is lessen up and now provably they are doing their activities on mixer sites.

[perla]

In this case then all casino should do some certain verification regarding unto this and I believe many casino now required the users to do a KYC who try to withdraw a huge amount to do a certain verification regarding of the request. I think the activities of frauds in casino is lessen up and now provably they are doing their activities on mixer sites.

That's good idea however I don't think that's good for business some users didn't want to undergo KYC I think the gambling website owners would need to give extra effort to avoid such things. Yes I think they are more prefer mixer sites or probably off chain transactions I think I heard it from somewhere.

[shield132]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

Why do you create an account in online casino? Your aim is to gamble, right? So, when a person deposits money and then requests withdraw, it looks suspicious. It turns an alarm that account owner isn't a gambler and he/she may uses it for money laundering. This restriction is done in order to get rid of this problem. Without doubt, it can't 100% fix this case but is capable to at least lessen such facts. After this restriction, when person wants to launder money, more likely he/she will use the mixer and won't play with luck.

[Raflesia]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

Why do you create an account in online casino? Your aim is to gamble, right? So, when a person deposits money and then requests withdraw, it looks suspicious. It turns an alarm that account owner isn't a gambler and he/she may uses it for money laundering. This restriction is done in order to get rid of this problem. Without doubt, it can't 100% fix this case but is capable to at least lessen such facts. After this restriction, when person wants to launder money, more likely he/she will use the mixer and won't play with luck.

If it occurs just like that then you will definitely be suspicious by depositing and then withdrawing it again, a gambler will deposit and play the gamble they want because it is luck if you win it.
The withdrawal limitation is indeed a system like every platform, there must be a policy, because indeed some of the factors that we often suspect with money laundering may be the ones that will be above, so the limitation on flash withdrawals only through the balance will definitely be suspected and even frozen.

[Lakai01]

Why do you create an account in online casino? Your aim is to gamble, right? So, when a person deposits money and then requests withdraw, it looks suspicious. It turns an alarm that account owner isn't a gambler and he/she may uses it for money laundering. This restriction is done in order to get rid of this problem. Without doubt, it can't 100% fix this case but is capable to at least lessen such facts. After this restriction, when person wants to launder money, more likely he/she will use the mixer and won't play with luck.

It can also happen unintentionally ... and it already happened to me. I wanted to deposit BTC to online casino A, but I used the wrong deposit address and the BTC ended up on casino B where I have not been active for a long time. In such cases, I expect to be able to withdraw the BTC immediately.
There is no reason for the casinos to hold the BTCs. Money laundering may be a pretext, but I find it extremely implausible that casinos without KYC obligations want to comply with money laundering regulations

[arwin100]

In this case then all casino should do some certain verification regarding unto this and I believe many casino now required the users to do a KYC who try to withdraw a huge amount to do a certain verification regarding of the request. I think the activities of frauds in casino is lessen up and now provably they are doing their activities on mixer sites.

That's good idea however I don't think that's good for business some users didn't want to undergo KYC I think the gambling website owners would need to give extra effort to avoid such things. Yes I think they are more prefer mixer sites or probably off chain transactions I think I heard it from somewhere.

Its not really good if you require it to all users in the platform since the small time users will get upset of that implementation, the KYC verification is only intended for the users who do a huge withdrawal request to verify if that amount is from his own pocket and not came from fraudulent activities. We know how the scammers wash their stolen funds and if the casino implement this then scammers will lost an option since the casino who have KYC on selective cases will not be a good option as their landing point.

[dre1982]

Any estimate day that the Slots will be available? I can't wait for them. 

Hope to make it for Christmas

So it will be live this month or can we change Christmas for Eastern? 

[7788bitcoin]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

If you are depositing money to a gambling site then you are bound to gamble and no one is forcing you to gamble but once you deposit the only reason these gambling sites have these terms and conditions is because they wanted to avoid their wallet being used as a tumbler to break the transaction chain and some of the sites have increased their withdraw fees to avoid these kind of users.

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[hopenotlate]

The highlighted restriction is truly bad. This is like forcing an user to gamble, depositing funds in his account is purely a self decision. He decides whether to gamble or not. Maybe can have the limitations on the withdrawal limit. Some sites have withdrawal limit of 0.004 btc and one needs to deposit and withdrawal if the wallet balance got reduced below the limit.

If you are depositing money to a gambling site then you are bound to gamble and no one is forcing you to gamble but once you deposit the only reason these gambling sites have these terms and conditions is because they wanted to avoid their wallet being used as a tumbler to break the transaction chain and some of the sites have increased their withdraw fees to avoid these kind of users.

As simple as that, couldn't have explained it better.


Yet I still see many complaints here and there over the forum for this basic rule; some even go so far as to launch scam accusations for it.

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[famososMuertos]

Let's not fall into purity either, the one that a user deposits and withdraws without playing is not guilty of anything.

Likewise, the one who laundering money deposits plays impersonates a regular player and withdraws.

Each casino has its regulations and security to determine this.

On the other hand, you can surprise you with the number of casinos that are used as a wallet,
in fact in some they charge a percentage when a player does that and it is established without a doubt in the ToS.

There is a well known example casino PS  had more money in its coffers than any average bank,
and many high rollers played at fulltilt but had their money based on the Red Spade or vice versa.

And they happen with other casinos, at least in the crypto world today there is a great offer of wallets and it is really a great help, but I can assure you that it is still widely used in the fiat world of casinos.

In conclusion, casinos should apply their security rules, follow the steps that correspond to AML-KYC but should not retain any type of withdrawal, in fact those that have bonuses, prizes or whatever, make the adjustments and release the corresponding amount, There are many casinos that do this, but the average sticks to the conditions line to prevent withdrawals.

And it happens that as most users read it in ToS repeatedly, they get the idea that this has to be so.

In any case, the support of the casino by any means is essential to make a difference, even in these threads.