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What a strange world we live in. Scam people for +15 millions of dollars, not facing any charges. Fly around in Private jets, nobody speaks about it, nobody cares. Today I would like to probably one of the most succesfull ICO scammers active on Bitcointalk. They started various Ico's and lending programs such as HBC, Pagarex, CADS, and many more. ALOIS KOEHLE Aleks Novakovic Matthew Sanojca: Online marketing and advertising for homeblock. Michi Sowieso. : Same as Matthew Sanojca Now 18 months later, A.K. now started a Real estate business called "AK IMMO". Three of them also started a business for influencers and advertisers called 'SocialCollab'. If you take a look at their instagrams it becomes clear they have a lot of money to spend since 2018. All of them travel in private jets and live an expensive lifestyle. Some bitcointalk forum members were in talks with a Lawyer firm in Vienna, but I am not sure how it ended. I contacted a journalist last week, he told me that the couldnt find any criminal records on A.K. . The total number of the scam remains unclear, but HBC alone was already +2000 BTC. Pagarex was smaller, but also quite big. And CADS was also very popular. Imagine scamming for +15 million dollars and get away with it... https://i.imgur.com/9moM4C6.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/rX06Ydj.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/QmvZr6o.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/cNqeQ4W.jpgDoes anyone know any news on how the trial went, if any trial is ongoing or the outcome?Thanks!!
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January 26, 2020, 10:29:30 AM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
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bben981 (OP)
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February 04, 2020, 10:21:56 PM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
Yeah it's insane..and most of the scams are without consequences.
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February 04, 2020, 10:52:04 PM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
It must be checked again and if the team doesn't even publish the hot wallet and such amount can't be trusted. So many scam projects have raised nothing from the investors and they are creating a buzz with spread fake amount that already raised to gain popularity. Some people may still lack knowledge about that but we can't sure if that will happen for sure. I have experienced to identify some projects that faked its total raised amount. Just try to tell you about jinbi, parq and many more.
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February 04, 2020, 11:05:02 PM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
It must be checked again and if the team doesn't even publish the hot wallet and such amount can't be trusted. So many scam projects have raised nothing from the investors and they are creating a buzz with spread fake amount that already raised to gain popularity. Some people may still lack knowledge about that but we can't sure if that will happen for sure. I have experienced to identify some projects that faked its total raised amount. Just try to tell you about jinbi, parq and many more. Yes, we don't know the truth about their funds collected. I believe most of them are bluffing to attract investors to send money to their platform. But really hard to run after these scammers as they may have no legal documents submitted to appropriate authorities.
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February 05, 2020, 06:37:45 AM |
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Its really a big shame, if not for these scammers crypto would be in more better shape today, no one is nailing this people I don't just know why this is happening, regulations my foot even if regulations takes place this people will still roam free
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Kupid002
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February 05, 2020, 07:28:59 AM |
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Its really a big shame, if not for these scammers crypto would be in more better shape today, no one is nailing this people I don't just know why this is happening, regulations my foot even if regulations takes place this people will still roam free
It is also the fault of investors if they dont trust thier money to unknown people they will not getting scam, and those scammer will not raised any money that we are talking right now. So the first things we need to do now is to make more people aware of many scam things they can do using crypto currency ICO or any other scam platform that scammers use.
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February 05, 2020, 07:52:46 AM |
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it is also the fault of investors I agree that investors should also be blamed for why they end up getting scammed. People are greedy whenever they see an opportunity to earn even if it is sketchy. No scam project will gather this much money from people if people will do their own research before investing. Ignorant and greedy people are most likely the victims of such scam project.
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February 05, 2020, 08:32:20 AM |
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Investors cannot total avoid scam projects. Some of them would have collected the fund they wanted, list their coins on the exchange, but at the end, refuse to develop their products as promised. That is another height of scam, which might not appear to be cam projects. A lot of them are still in operation. If I do not know or trust the team, I will not invest and neither will I participate in such a project in any form. So many of these scammers are on the run and today, we hear nothing about them, except someone tries to bring up the case again.
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February 05, 2020, 09:46:51 AM Last edit: February 05, 2020, 10:32:47 AM by Baby Dragon |
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Its really a big shame, if not for these scammers crypto would be in more better shape today, no one is nailing this people I don't just know why this is happening, regulations my foot even if regulations takes place this people will still roam free
It is also the fault of investors if they dont trust thier money to unknown people they will not getting scam, and those scammer will not raised any money that we are talking right now. So the first things we need to do now is to make more people aware of many scam things they can do using crypto currency ICO or any other scam platform that scammers use. Investors have opened an opportunity for scammers to exploit their funds and assets. As an investor, it is our responsibility to make sure that we are investing on a worth it and profitable projects. Besides, what is your basis for trusting and believing a project? investors must realize that investing requires some knowledge and patience. It is the reason behind why people are considering a lot of things before investing because they know how risky it is especially nowadays. You can't just rely on a project's promises and sweet lies without assurance that it's a legit project. Investors should analyze the possible outcomes of their decision and actions before risking their funds because scammers will always find a chance to deceive you in order to get the benefits they wanted.
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February 05, 2020, 08:19:10 PM |
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To be honest, I am the first to hear about all of the above names. If everything you say is really true, then it would be good to provide as much evidence as possible saying that these people have committed a crime. One way or another, they may be subject to the sanctions of some countries if their crimes are proven. $ 15,000,000 is a very large amount.
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February 05, 2020, 11:33:02 PM |
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I lost too much money on this shits. I lost money on their scams, i lost money on their lies, i lost my network because of their shits. I lost too much also on consulting lawyer agencies, but believe me - they are too rich do not pay any lawyer asking about their info :-) Even in Vienna. If some one want to lose some money also , contact me i can give him all conversations between them ( in group ) and the developers of the coins, how they talk about the schema for scamming people, how they organize fake gainz , and other screens and evidences. Sorry for my English, but i think you undorstand big picture. Between , they both got fashion brands, Alois brand's name is What Now, and Aleksandar brand is What's the minimum.
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bben981 (OP)
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February 07, 2020, 10:38:40 AM |
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I lost too much money on this shits. I lost money on their scams, i lost money on their lies, i lost my network because of their shits. I lost too much also on consulting lawyer agencies, but believe me - they are too rich do not pay any lawyer asking about their info :-) Even in Vienna. If some one want to lose some money also , contact me i can give him all conversations between them ( in group ) and the developers of the coins, how they talk about the schema for scamming people, how they organize fake gainz , and other screens and evidences. Sorry for my English, but i think you undorstand big picture. Between , they both got fashion brands, Alois brand's name is What Now, and Aleksandar brand is What's the minimum.
I tried to contact you on your protonmail, but without any succes. I would like to see that. I'm in contact with some journalists.
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bben981 (OP)
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February 07, 2020, 10:46:05 AM |
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To be honest, I am the first to hear about all of the above names. If everything you say is really true, then it would be good to provide as much evidence as possible saying that these people have committed a crime. One way or another, they may be subject to the sanctions of some countries if their crimes are proven. $ 15,000,000 is a very large amount.
I believe lindstromaka and another forum member has tried the legal way. But it doesnt seem like they got very far..
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February 16, 2020, 07:34:51 PM |
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I lost too much money on this shits. I lost money on their scams, i lost money on their lies, i lost my network because of their shits. I lost too much also on consulting lawyer agencies, but believe me - they are too rich do not pay any lawyer asking about their info :-) Even in Vienna. If some one want to lose some money also , contact me i can give him all conversations between them ( in group ) and the developers of the coins, how they talk about the schema for scamming people, how they organize fake gainz , and other screens and evidences. Sorry for my English, but i think you undorstand big picture. Between , they both got fashion brands, Alois brand's name is What Now, and Aleksandar brand is What's the minimum.
Can you send me some evidence? Please check my email.
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February 17, 2020, 04:32:12 AM |
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I am very sad believe in ICO lending, I once invested in Pagarex and now I am reminded of that. I was once invited by one of my friends to join ICO Lending because he got a very large profit (I too trust my friend and I made a fatal mistake), are these people still hanging around enjoying the money from their scams projects?
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February 17, 2020, 05:25:23 AM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
15 millions is a huge money. I dont think simple marketing can do the trick to earn 15million. I lost too much money on this shits. I lost money on their scams, i lost money on their lies, i lost my network because of their shits. I lost too much also on consulting lawyer agencies, but believe me - they are too rich do not pay any lawyer asking about their info :-) Even in Vienna.
Im very sorry its seems losing funds in the likes of these people isnt an easy way to deal with. What you mean paying lawyers to avoid giving their information? Thats odd. If they are foreigner then operating outside their home turf then they are really a professional swindlers and doing this task is simple and already part of their lives.
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February 17, 2020, 05:45:42 AM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
It must be checked again and if the team doesn't even publish the hot wallet and such amount can't be trusted. So many scam projects have raised nothing from the investors and they are creating a buzz with spread fake amount that already raised to gain popularity. Some people may still lack knowledge about that but we can't sure if that will happen for sure. I have experienced to identify some projects that faked its total raised amount. Just try to tell you about jinbi, parq and many more. Jinbi was a very organized scam project. It was one of those projects you could hardly believe it will be a scam. Although the token sales was launched during the period when the investors are not that putting a lot of money in ICO but I am very sure Jinbi would have raised a good amount of money. Goldtex was another organized scam which even led to a dispute among the team members. I also had numerous experience with many of the least expected scam project. The Denaro project saga is still very fresh in my memory. I witnessed a pensioneer that lamented of being scammed of her gratuity that she invested in Denaro project
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February 17, 2020, 05:47:03 AM |
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Even noname projects was able to collect 15+ millions. mad times was in crypto
This is where we need to change our own mindset. If people think that we need a token or a crypto for every single thing of our life, we are all set to transfer our funds to those scammers who made you believe that! They have duped a huge amount of money and I am not sure how they have done it! Probably they have bigger brains behind their activities who are hidden from the public eye. Stop believing that we need cryptos in every areas of our life. We don't need a separate crypto to buy breakfast and a separate one to book your flight tickets. Tokenization of every asset is not required and it will eventually lead us to loose money! Understand this simple logic and stop investing in any ICO!
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February 17, 2020, 06:06:50 AM |
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I lost too much money on this shits. I lost money on their scams, i lost money on their lies, i lost my network because of their shits. I lost too much also on consulting lawyer agencies...
How do you even trust them enough as to invest, I wouldn't say it's surprising that people still invest in ICO's, it is Infact unbelievable, if it were to be early in the days, you could be caught in two minds as there were the good and bad ones, but right now, everyone is in the know(no one can claim not to be)that they have all been created to swindle your money away, but the conundrum now is, despite this "Epic" revelation, why are users investing nonetheless. Jinbi was a very organized scam project. It was one of those projects you could hardly believe it will be a scam.
I am not used to giving the scammers credit, was the project organized so perfectly or were the investors just so "blind" they could not tell what the obvious culmination will be(getting scammed).
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