Would you gamble in a league with serious allegations of collusion?

[Strongkored]

Actually things like this also happen in several leagues both proven and unproven.
Bettors certainly will not know about the fix match before the scandal is finally revealed.
I think that bettor will bet in leagues that have interesting matches to watch and usually leagues with scandals like this are unattractive matches and end up losing interest from bettors, but whatever it is if I have to choose I won't bet on a league that is proven to have a match-fixing.

[bering]

Correct me if i'm wrong but matches fixing usually can be identified after those matches itself and we can't know it early since the matches begin so technically people doesn't know when they bets for particular sports which is those matches fixing by some people or not and my personal opinion is yes i will still bets on the sports matches regularly so it will not change anything for me because the gamblers only bets and see after matches whether their bets results will won or lost

[Ucy]

I assume the recent shooting of Darko Kovacevic is somehow related to the mentioned match-fixing group. Match fixing can happen anywhere and for various reasons. It doesn't have to be monetary reasons, like earning money from betting on fixed matches. Many matches are fixed all over the world because teams are helping each other out. It's common interest unfortunately. Systems like 3 for 3. We beat you at our venue and you beat us on yours. In case one of us needs points you let us win, and things like that. There is no illegal betting on these matches so nobody outside of the clubs know.

The way to protect yourself is to bet on matches in top leagues. You can never be 100% that matches are legit but at least players aren't bribed to fix the matches themselves.

This is very interesting.
I guess  match fixing doesn't happen in all the small/unpopular leagues. Some small league matches i watched in the past looked really legit. If players were faking those moves (and emotions) then they were really good at faking them.

Skilled sports bettors (who rely on fair play) will likely not do well betting on fixed matches.

[alani123]

Actually things like this also happen in several leagues both proven and unproven.
Bettors certainly will not know about the fix match before the scandal is finally revealed.
I think that bettor will bet in leagues that have interesting matches to watch and usually leagues with scandals like this are unattractive matches and end up losing interest from bettors, but whatever it is if I have to choose I won't bet on a league that is proven to have a match-fixing.

The premise of match fixing is that there's money to be made on unsuspecting people and bookmakers.
The fewer people that know this, the easiest it is to profit greatly from it. In leagues without an avenue for players to report extortion and threats anonymously, this is very easy to be done. Just get thugs to blackmail the players, and matches can be easily fixed. Unfortunately, Greek league is like that and team owners are proven to be criminals. So it isn't unlikely that many of their matches are fixed by threatening unwilling players. Although, through the years, they might have found ways to make entire teams do it willingly even.

[Janation]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

[MWesterweele]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

[Ucy]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

I guess this is about fixing matches and other related sports corruption.
Well, it matter. I believe rules are made for good reasons. If people think the reason is no longer relevant, citizens should come together and agree on a new rule.
If such rules never had any good purpose (like what it's trying to prevent is harmless/good/safe), maybe was passed based on emotions, incorrect information or biases(afterall humans are not very good at being perfect), then you should still not go about encouraging people to break it.  Whether you experiment with it in secluded places, like your home, is upto you. If you truely believe it is harmless and/or good, then let the community know about your experiment, and understand it... They will then likely decide to change it  in a way that really safe for them.

[imstillthebest]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

same here . i dont care with thier issues and that is not my problem anymore   . its fine as long as they play properly , what i only dont like to see is if there are accidental issues during the game that will affect my betting and worst is id loose the match   . cant imagine if that happens but i guess i will complain and file a report against them   .  so far , i dont experience simillar cases to this and i dont also know how op find those allegations  because what i only look for is the players stats and thier previous plays , not thier entire biography  .

[alani123]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

This very mindset to me is causing harm indirectly. Team owners in some leagues have proven that they an get away with anything, from match fixing to narco-traficking. Pumping money into betting that we know they can fix, is just earning them a bigger cut from their winnings based on their ability to fix results. The money is not maybe affecting the team's outlook, but ends up in the team owner's pocket to fund more criminal acts or launder some of their criminal earnings.

[criza]

Money is a serious matter that should be taken extra care off with especially when engaging in gambling. Gamblers should always consider what could possibly happen after they take risks. The answer should be obvious as to why should people not entertain leagues with those kind of background as the possibility that a lose of money is guaranteed. People also should not involve with this kind of business so that the organizers of the said league will lose confidence and gambling participants that most probably make them stop what negative things they are doing. The outcome for this is still on the hands of the people to be responsible to the things they get into and support better leagues.

[gabbie2010]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

I guess this is about fixing matches and other related sports corruption.
Well, it matter. I believe rules are made for good reasons. If people think the reason is no longer relevant, citizens should come together and agree on a new rule.
If such rules never had any good purpose (like what it's trying to prevent is harmless/good/safe), maybe was passed based on emotions, incorrect information or biases(afterall humans are not very good at being perfect), then you should still not go about encouraging people to break it.  Whether you experiment with it in secluded places, like your home, is upto you. If you truely believe it is harmless and/or good, then let the community know about your experiment, and understand it... They will then likely decide to change it  in a way that really safe for them.

Match fixing of some games had been bringing the game especially football or soccer into disrupute some officials do collude with players to fix matches so as to favor an anonymous gambler to win big thus breaking the rules my stand is that those involved should be brought to book so as to serve as a deterrent to other culprits.
Fifa should throughly investigate the Greek football authorities involved in the alleged fixing and sanction them appropriately.

[mu_enrico]

Ah this reminds me of the Calciopoli scandal but without narcotics trafficking. So damn insane...

IMO, if I don't have insiders, I would not bet there since they could rape uninformed bettors easily. It's like Manchester United this season lol. Jokes aside, better stay away if the accusations prove to be correct.

[stomachgrowls]

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

same here . i dont care with thier issues and that is not my problem anymore   . its fine as long as they play properly , what i only dont like to see is if there are accidental issues during the game that will affect my betting and worst is id loose the match   . cant imagine if that happens but i guess i will complain and file a report against them   .  so far , i dont experience simillar cases to this and i dont also know how op find those allegations  because what i only look for is the players stats and thier previous plays , not thier entire biography  .

Accidents is being part of being rigged? I dont really believe that much but its possible.Overall same as you said i dont really much care
into their reputation as long they do play well on a particular game.Outside matters is just their own business and these illegal acts
isnt really something new into this industry.So to answer if i would still gamble? Of course.

[khaled0111]

As said above, fixed and rigged matches is not something new and many gamblers spend a lot of money on tipsters.
I won't do it if you ask me, even if the result is 100% guaranteed as it's against the hole purpose of gambling which is having fun and enjoying the adrenaline rush.
Not to mention that 99% of those tipsters are scammers.

[Twinkledoe]

As said above, fixed and rigged matches is not something new and many gamblers spend a lot of money on tipsters.
I won't do it if you ask me, even if the result is 100% guaranteed as it's against the hole purpose of gambling which is having fun and enjoying the adrenaline rush.
Not to mention that 99% of those tipsters are scammers.

I won't also. Because if the match is rigged and you know the expected result, how can you enjoy the game while watching it? Unless, at the time of my betting, I badly needed money and I need an assurance that I will win that match. Otherwise, I won't. One more thing, most of the time you can't rely the authenticity of those tipsters.

[LbtalkL]

I will still gamble I don't think players can do this stuff a match-fixing. Playing football is not about the money I was once in a sport in my school days winning is a very great feeling. But you can't remove the fact that the owner can do this kind of stuff just for money but I guess players will do what they always do, the will to win.

[chaser15]

Gambling is gambling, fixed or not. There will still money that will flow on this even in the league with fixed-game related issues in the past. It will not change the mindset of the gamblers.

Definitely, I will still put money here:

-prior betting, we don't know that the match is fixed
-if I have a reputable insider
-if I see that certain speculation about the fixed-match is close on happening

And besides, this fixed-match can't just be executed or done in a big-league easily. These leagues are regulated so for bettors, they are still playing with the chances just like the usual normal betting without the involvement of fixed-game.

[ampere]

I think collusion happens everywhere in gambling, but different percentages across different countries.

When it comes gambling, it doesn't matter which League, what matters is the fact that you understand the league and the bet you are placing.

FOR me now, i gamble alot on (1-4 goals scored). It doesn't matter the collusion as long as i can get 3 correct away or home teams to score 1-4 goals.

[LTU_btc]

Oh, Greek league is really dirty, I follow sometimes what's going on there and it's crazy. Almost every matchday ends with scandals. They even invite foreign referees for big games.
League of my country is also one of dirtiest in Europe and I bet on it a lot. I don't have inside info, but it's not difficult to see which games is fixed. It's enough to see squad of suspicious team, how players behave on pitch, how odds are changing. But you have to react fast, because bookmakers often remove such games or odds become too low.
Usually they are fixing goals over and margin. Last season I remember one ridiculous thing when fixers team concedef 6 goals just in 26 minutes. Unfortunately, I haven't saw what odds for first half over 5.5 was. So after all, 2 teams were banned from competition eith ~20 suspicious games.

[robelneo]

Of course, owners of most teams have received serious accusations of match fixing, but courts and committees somehow clear them. Moreover, there's no authority in Greece that can take into account anonymous accusations and witness protection in Greece has proved worthless.

My question is towards gamblers however. Would you gamble on a 'dirty' league?  Greek league comes under accusation of collusion, match fixing and team leaders using hooligans of teams for whatever thuggish purposes. Foreign leagues are becoming more popular among Greek gamblers for these reasons, but the majority still bet on Greek matches. Just makes me wonder. 

Here in our country in our basketball league, three teams are own by one company, but there are no allegations of fixing, it's up to the league to see if there are game fixing on how the players and the team plays, the league must do everything to keep the league clean because sales ticket and support will dwindle if they cannot keep the league clean.