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February 04, 2020, 09:03:56 AM
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There is a bull and bear market. In which market is it hypothetically possible to make more money? In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit? And how to determine the beginning and end of one of the markets?
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February 04, 2020, 09:26:00 AM
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In which market is it hypothetically possible to make more money?
It depends mostly on the trader. Some traders do better when shorting, some traders do better when doing longs.

In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit?
I really don't have data to back this up, but I assume that people make more money in bull markets. Simply due to the fact that all you need to do is to buy and hold bitcoin, and you could end up in profit after x days/weeks/months. Whereas exchanges with shorting features is something that not majority of people use.

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February 04, 2020, 09:48:01 AM
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There is a bull and bear market. In which market is it hypothetically possible to make more money? In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit? And how to determine the beginning and end of one of the markets?
Hope all your questions are about bitcoins or at least about cryptos.

Like any other markets, you can make money (not sure about what you mean by more money Tongue) in crypto markets too if you are good in technical analysis. But, comparatively shorting way of trading is new to crypto space hence only few exchanges are facilitating that and most other exchanges are providing only spot way of trading but making use of stable coins you can trade either way.

With help of stablecoins, you can trade in spot markets too to go shorting. But, do it before knowing what you are going to do exactly.

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Bitcoin is predicted to have good future in general hence you can easily make money buy trading toward bitcoin's bull market. For a professional trader, both bull and bear markets are same. So, you need to enlighten yourself to find where you are able to make consistent profits to conclude where you need to stick on.

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February 04, 2020, 09:59:36 AM
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In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit?

trade when the market is down is very irritating

And how to determine the beginning and end of one of the markets?

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February 04, 2020, 01:57:38 PM
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If you are not an skillful and experience trader, then I would suggest to wait for the bull market as there's more opportunity to sell at a good profit in the bull market. You don't have to play the games of the day trader, try to make a simple strategy which is accumulate now and then sell later.
If in fact this year is bullish, you can surely take profit buying at the cheap price now, even for altcoins.

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February 04, 2020, 02:20:04 PM
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The article you mentioned above might be most useful for OP to make his own research. There are a number of such news platform which keeps on updating each and every details including the support levels, resistance, etc which makes it a bit easier for newbies to understand the market. There also are a lot of chances to quickly make profits in short term as due to the most volatile markets the graphs always keeps on moving up and down.

I would prefer you to start speculating 5 minute graph on tradingview so that you can find some entry and exit points even in short terms which are better utilized by day traders.

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February 04, 2020, 03:00:35 PM
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It depends highly on the trader. There are some that are able to profit off of bull runs, and some are able to profit off of bear runs. Generally, the market wants a bull run trend since long time holders outnumber the short ones by quite a bit, especially since some long time holders actually don't know how to do shorts, and as such, opted to use longs instead.

The beginning of the market is initially when the coin is released, most often after an airdrop event or something. A market never ends, unless the company behind it decides to close, or the company has no choice to close it down because no one is even bothered to use the coin they released.

 
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February 04, 2020, 03:10:11 PM
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It depends highly on the trader. There are some that are able to profit off of bull runs, and some are able to profit off of bear runs. Generally, the market wants a bull run trend since long time holders outnumber the short ones by quite a bit, especially since some long time holders actually don't know how to do shorts, and as such, opted to use longs instead.

The beginning of the market is initially when the coin is released, most often after an airdrop event or something. A market never ends, unless the company behind it decides to close, or the company has no choice to close it down because no one is even bothered to use the coin they released.

In the world of crypto currency, we have two methods of earning, and we called them the bull, and the bear those animals reflect the market. We called the bear market because it describes the attack of the bear to their enemy downwards and the bull. After all, the bull attacks their enemies upward. Now we have a two-process how we can earn and first is the bear, many people make a lot of investment when the bull market is exist because even the market price is low still they continuing to make investment and get a profit for short term investment always bear is one of the best investment in terms for long term because when you buy a lot of coins when the market price is low and sell it when the price goes up, it can give a lot of profit. When we are talking about bull this time the graph of the coin shows a positive or a green candlesticks or a increasing diagram this time we are slowly earning came from our investment, sometimes many people invest here when the price goes up and they saw it would continue increasing this is profitable too still we have a different process how can we earn a lot of income.

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February 04, 2020, 06:12:57 PM
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There is a bull and bear market. In which market is it hypothetically possible to make more money? In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit? And how to determine the beginning and end of one of the markets?
People that gets lucky with bull run are those that are trading long term. I was able to make profit through long term investment and the money wasn’t even a money that I invested direct. I was able to gather bitcoins by working and getting paid through Bitcoin and those money accrued up to a larger amount, which I didn’t withdrawal till the bull run started.

It’s not that I know there would be a bull run, I was still a newbie then and have no idea about anything bull run, though I have read news about people that made money then, but I was just holding it in my wallet and all of a sudden the price started going up.
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February 04, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
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It depends mostly on the trader. Some traders do better when shorting, some traders do better when doing longs.
That's what I was basically thinking, but I'd also say that it depends on what you're trading.  If it's stocks, dividends can help you out in a bear market but those obviously aren't an option with bitcoin. 

OP, I've always had the impression that crypto traders do the exact opposite of what's going to make them money.  If the market is extremely bullish and has gone past all rationality (like in 2017 with bitcoin), then it might be a good idea to short.  You have to be very careful if you're shorting something, since your losses can be unlimited if the market keeps going up and I wouldn't recommend it.  The worst time to be buying bitcoin (or anything else) is when prices are constantly going up.

The best time to buy is when the market is bearish, when it seems like everyone has lost enthusiasm and hope.  Bitcoin was in that state not too long ago when the price was stalled at $7k or so, and it had crashed from $13k, and everyone was wondering if it was ever going to recover.  Smart traders would have been snapping up as much bitcoin as they could buy when it kept dipping to $6600.  The old addage is "buy low, sell high" but so many people find it difficult to do the first part, to buy low--but that's what you have to do.

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Base on my experience and I think that most traders have similarly done the same.
Buying more Bitcoins during bear season and sell them off during the bullish season. To make it general, people consider themselves even more profitable when the market it in the Bullrun. Basically, we do holding in the preparation for the bullish because the price is high and can generate more gains.

If we could remember the last 2017 Bullrun, numbers of individuals come for Bitcoin because of the price at that time. The common practice of the people is to buy Bitcoin at low and sell it at high and yet, it seems to be effective. That is why they always wanting to have a bullish market rather than to be in bearish.
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February 04, 2020, 10:13:45 PM
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To be clear, I believe that it depends on the current market condition be it bear or bull. Because one thing is clear, there is money to be made whether the market is trending up or crashing. That said, it's worth noting that there are some traders that make money during a bear market than they do in a bull market. For others, the reverse is the case. That's the thing with trading. It depends on one's trading system/strategies/principles. However, contrary to popular beliefs, people tend to make more profits/money during a bull market. For instance, during the 2017 bull run, a lot of people made money. But then during the 2018 bear market, most people lost those profits and someone who trades better in declining market got those money as profits.

So I believe it depends on the trader and their strategies. The market isn't fixed in a way that you only make money during a specified period of time.

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February 04, 2020, 10:14:13 PM
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There is a bull and bear market. In which market is it hypothetically possible to make more money? In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit? And how to determine the beginning and end of one of the markets?
If you are part of a beginner trader I think you should stay away from bear market trading, although in fact both of them could be profitable if done in a long or short margin trading.
But you need to know not to be forced if you can't trade bear markets.

trade when the market is down is very irritating
Statements like this are not entirely true, friend.  Because if we make the right entry on the bear market in margin short trading it will be fun.
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February 04, 2020, 10:37:28 PM
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Depends if you're going for the long or for the short term. For long term tradings, people usually make profits when the bull market switches to bearish and vice-versa. If you know your targets and you're a good analyst, you might make more money through long term trades than through short term ones.

But both involve risk, so there's no guaranteed win.

Going for day trading, though, is more riskier imo than being a long term trader. You lower the chances of mistyping a digit due to being in the hurry of opening an order book (which could lead to disastrous losses) and you avoid being affected of the panic/hype.

Bull or bear market - both can be played very well if one knows what they're doing. Because bull markets are led by hype while bear markets are led by fear, you can try to find out how the human brain works when hype/fear is triggered and profit off these waves of different moods.

I'm no expert but I've lost way more money through short term trades than through long term ones. Going for long terms also makes you avoid these moments of panic and/or hype.
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February 04, 2020, 10:57:55 PM
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Some people can make a ton of money while bear market.
They do margin trading, where you can short the market (if a particular coin is dumping = you earn more satoshis)
Some people calling it "stack more satoshis while bear market", then if the bull market comes, value of your stacked Bitcoins will increase.
Totally, margin trading can work in bear market and bull market at the same time.

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February 04, 2020, 11:57:50 PM
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There is a bull and bear market. In which market is it hypothetically possible to make more money? In which of these two markets do people usually make a profit? And how to determine the beginning and end of one of the markets?
When doing spot trading, then it's obviously during the bull market. You buy the deep, then you wait for the bull market in order to exit your position to make profits

When doing Margin trading, you can make profits both in bear and bull market through shorting and longing respectively. You just have to choose what works for you

People use different tools and indicators to determine market movements, but they are not are 100% accurate so sometimes you just have to use your common sense and avoid emotions take over your trading practices

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You can't determine the beginning and end of these markets. But you can gain profits from both if you know what you are doing. Don't jump in the bandwagon if you have no idea what you are jumping on. It would take research, experience and more experience to learn the ins and outs. It is not always the same strategy that you will apply for a given situation. Patience is also one key to achieve your goals in these markets. You should not be easily influenced by what other people are saying because of most of the time, they are crap.
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February 05, 2020, 12:45:59 AM
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You can't determine the beginning and end of these markets. But you can gain profits from both if you know what you are doing. Don't jump in the bandwagon if you have no idea what you are jumping on. It would take research, experience and more experience to learn the ins and outs. It is not always the same strategy that you will apply for a given situation. Patience is also one key to achieve your goals in these markets. You should not be easily influenced by what other people are saying because of most of the time, they are crap.

I agree with a lot of what you said, especially with not following everyone else. There's obviously still times when the majority ends up being correct, especially when you look in hindsight at some of the bigger bull runs we've had in the past, but something more important that I would add besides not only being (mostly) independent in your trading is that all trends do eventually end, which is where a lot of people end up failing. Don't become too greedy or complacent, and always at least try to be aware and open-minded to signs of change if you spot them and always account for those changes.
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February 05, 2020, 02:31:15 AM
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In the bull usually. On the no expert side, usually, you just use the trends and indicators of the charts shown like the one that we use with tradingview. The market during the bull is pretty quick and within minutes of monitoring it, there's already a tendency that you can make money.
I suggest you allocate a certain amount that you can practice trading.

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Basically, you can win in the line of least resistance, that is, because you only have to follow the direction of the market, there are many who specialize in winning only in Long, others in Short, but to be speculator you must win both ways. The best thing for this is to learn to identify in which phase of the market the currency is to have the most effective analysis and execute the plan.

As an investor, it is known that it is a bet until the end having a lot of patience and knowing how to wait.

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