Bitcoin can save some people's lives :->

[Kakmakr]

If you took the time to read the articles I added in my previous post, you would have noticed that test were done to determine that the virus survived up to 9 hours on physical surfaces, like metal, plastic etc..

I always take my time to read stuff and I always try to understand what I'm reading.
I gave you a link, not from a newspaper but from NCBI and the text clearly says

These observations suggest that the transmission of the virus from donors who are shedding large amounts could occur for 2-8 hr via stainless steel surfaces and for a few minutes via paper tissues

There is a huge difference between steel and paper just as there is a big one between survivability and transmission.
Also there a big difference between transmission from fomites to humans and transmission between fomites.

Yes, I read every post I make and I see 1000's of people dying of this virus and I want to see that Bitcoin can be used to make a difference.

Sorry, but to me, you sound like those people wouldn't have died if they have used bitcoin!
Are you seriously claiming this?
Do we really have to piggyback on every disaster or crisis, from a nuclear war scenario to an epidemic to show how bitcoin can save the world?
I'm starting to see bitcoiners are enjoying those lately.

Let me ask you this then:
Would you support a government ban on cash payments if they would use the disease spreading as an excuse? 

You are placing me in the wrong box. Go look at my post history and find the posts that indicate that I am one of those people who are using major events to hype Bitcoin use, as you are claiming. 

Fortunately for me, I have close friends that are working in the Health industry <Labs & Pathology> and they get frequent updates on the latest news about this virus epidemic, so I am quite informed about the latest things happening with this. They are very concerned and this sparked the idea with me to find a way for Bitcoin to help people to avoid physical contact with the virus. <Even if it only save a few people's lives>

This is why I used this in the thread heading ... " Bitcoin can save some people's lives :-> "

Just be open-minded about this and use your knowledge and skills to find solutions to prevent a disastrous global epidemic. Bitcoin can make a difference in some scenarios.

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[AniviaBtc]

All the analogies you are telling do make sense. It's time to use digital currencies like bitcoin for transactions financial.
One of the benefits can avoid transmission of disease, it's an indisputable fact. So from that I always start it from myself
to always do transactions digitally. But since my country doesn't allow bitcoin as payment, I use digital transactions such
as mobile banking and internet banking to buy all the necessities of my life.

Yes it is a good practice that we always do online transaction or digital transaction just like mobile banking and etc because of this we will be able to purchase and do transactions through the use of mobile phone only or our personal computers, this online transactions makes our life more good and the necessity that we are gonna do so it would be better for all of us because of that we will be able to lessen our work by just doing online transaction and through the use of digital currency.

Although it is technical, it is on point but it only makes people more anxious about the virus that it can increase their fear and lead them to some stressful thoughts. Maybe they will think that all of the people they encounter have the corona virus, it is inappropriate, most especially when you're having transaction using fiat currency. Judging people like they have a virus will lower your confident and you will degrade the self-esteem of the person that you are having communication with. Practicing safety and cleanliness is good and appropriate but judging people is not. Try to ask them first if they have the virus or if they're fine before doing some actions for you not to be anxious. Know first the people you have transaction with, so that you know what currency you will give, either bitcoin which is digital or fiat.

[LUCKMCFLY]

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Undoubtedly, it is what is happening, in addition that the effect of the epidemic has caused in the market for some people who use bitcoin as a refuge of value, very similar to gold, in fact Bitcoin if it can save lives in any moment, since it is immediate money that can be used from anywhere in the world, the problem of the virus is world-class, the figures that are handled by the news are not real, I think the real figures become surprising, the market Bitcoin is being seen with more volume, small people's investments may be reflected every day.

[pawanjain]

Well you do have a point there and I did get convinced but then I thought, why should I use bitcoin when I can use other online payments.
China has WeChat, India has Paytm, GooglePay etc... I am not against bitcoin since I like bitcoin too but I think using the term bitcoin is unnecessary here.

[stompix]

You are placing me in the wrong box. Go look at my post history and find the posts that indicate that I am one of those people who are using major events to hype Bitcoin use, as you are claiming. 

I don't need to go there as I remember all your posts and the topics we've discussed
From the fact that you didn't pay your cable tv and got cut out to Brexit and the Chinese new year you're always finding bitcoin as a solution for problems that it can't solve. Don't you remember how it would solve poverty? 

Fortunately for me, I have close friends that are working in the Health industry <Labs & Pathology> and they get frequent updates on the latest news about this virus epidemic, so I am quite informed about the latest things happening with this.

Did your friends tell you what the NCBI says?
Or are your friends better trained than the guys working there?
I'm still waiting for a study of virus transmissions between fomites, there is no conclusive study to date of how this happens if it happens at all.

And please don't avoid my question:

Would you support a government ban on cash payments if they would use the disease spreading as an excuse?

[hahay]

Yes, the current era of cash payments should be reduced because there are even many shopping centers using electronic payment methods. Indeed, they still use fiat even though the payment system is now more trend in digital form and I guess that is not a problem because electronic payments will obviously reduce someone from being infected with any virus found in many items there especially in cash. This should be realized by the government and is ready to make a mass transition in many shopping areas.

[rodskee]

I watched a Youtube video last night about the food merchants in some of the markets in Wuhan <China> and I noticed that most of them are using electronic payment methods to pay for goods. < Wechat Pay >

Ok, it is not Bitcoin, but if more merchants using Fiat currency can switch over to Bitcoin, you might see less infections. The reason for this is simple, because the Corona virus can be transmitted from person to person via cash being used on a daily basis.

People can also do online payments with Bitcoin to avoid handling physical cash and thus avoiding infection. It can also prevent people from being infected from a host of other viruses and bacteria that can survive for days on physical coins and notes.

This is just one more reason for people to move away from physical payment methods and shifting to a cash-less financial system in the future. 

nice one mate,you made a connection about the virus and bitcoin for advertising but it is legit,the Physical contact can be lessen if the people of Wuhan uses Bitcoin instead of physical Money,specially that according to the report about the Virus started in Public Market in which people are exchanging Money so the more infection happens.
Online payment must be really implemented to prevent things like this happening in the future.

[kryptqnick]

At first, I also thought that it's an overstatement that this coronavirus can survive on banknotes, so I did a bit of research. It seems that there is no conclusive evidence about that because many things about the virus remain unknown. In any case, money is very dirty, unlike most things we touch that often. And banknotes can contribute to the spread of some diseases, so even if it's not about coronavirus or not about viruses at all, it's still a real problem. I agree with you that cashless payments could improve the situation, and Bitcoin is one of them. However, could you elaborate on why Bitcoin can same some lives, not cashless payments in general? I mean, you do say that it's about cashless payments, but do you think there's anything that makes Bitcoin stand out in these illness-related cases?

[isaac_clarke22]

Well in our country, there are apps that would support these donations.
In even the greatest disaster, it could also help. Here in our country, where even Taal Volcano erupted and I think they could've done the same as this but the thing is it is way too hard yet to implements such that the trust into it isn't well established as the current financing system we have today.

[carlisle1]

At first, I also thought that it's an overstatement that this coronavirus can survive on banknotes, so I did a bit of research. It seems that there is no conclusive evidence about that because many things about the virus remain unknown. In any case, money is very dirty, unlike most things we touch that often. And banknotes can contribute to the spread of some diseases, so even if it's not about coronavirus or not about viruses at all, it's still a real problem. I agree with you that cashless payments could improve the situation, and Bitcoin is one of them. However, could you elaborate on why Bitcoin can same some lives, not cashless payments in general? I mean, you do say that it's about cashless payments, but do you think there's anything that makes Bitcoin stand out in these illness-related cases?

maybe harder to be transmitted thru Paper money(though can be also but only shorter time as the virus may die sooner)but in Metal or Physical Coins the virus can stay longer that is what i have watched in news in which a specialist tells the way we can prevent from being infected.
maybe the best thing is at least be aware of those and use sanitizer from time to time.

but i like how OP made this topic related to Bitcoin and the advantage of using this than FIAT.

[Slow death]

I like bitcoin a lot, but without exaggeration. How would bitcoin help in this situation? honestly it wouldn't change anything. To buy bitcoin people would have to go to the bank or buy with other people, not to mention that the price of bitcoin would increase a lot because many people in the crypto world are greedy and have no feelings for other people, for these greedy people in the crypto world what matters they are 2X profits and therefore would increase the price of bitcoin a lot, even knowing that it would be an emergency situation. In my opinion Bitcoin does not help in these situations

[airdnasxela]

But how about those who work as a delivery man? If most of them are just buying food online? I don't know whether to consider it something that can save lives because definitely in a situation like in Wuhan necessities will get out of stock and most people there would just choose to stay home than to work. Stocks in Wuhan will really go down and even if they order through online, they can't buy things outside Wuhan because of the lock down. And of course not all stores in Wuhan accept online transaction.  I think they'll either have to buy on themselves to make sure they find foods or be likely to depend on the government for their necessities.

[maxreish]

In most cases like this, NCOV is spreading in mostly in crowded  places. Then it is best to have some online transactions, online merchants with bitcoin payments. Yeah, it can be a serious problem if we buy foods with infected areas it can be dangerous even with the mask on you can not avoid to think about being infected. And this online payments, online ordering will eventually lessen the worries, will save more people with this new corona virus.

[alexsandria]

In most cases like this, NCOV is spreading in mostly in crowded  places. Then it is best to have some online transactions, online merchants with bitcoin payments. Yeah, it can be a serious problem if we buy foods with infected areas it can be dangerous even with the mask on you can not avoid to think about being infected. And this online payments, online ordering will eventually lessen the worries, will save more people with this new corona virus.

It is a choice to do some of our transactions right now in an online payment or method because it is true that going to different places may be dangerous for us in which it would be a big problem because we may have the virus ncov infected if we go outside just to buy a thing or a food that we want, it would be lessen the outrageous side of infecting some people of ncov virus if we just use digital money by purchasing the things that we want and making transactions online.

[Kakmakr]

You are placing me in the wrong box. Go look at my post history and find the posts that indicate that I am one of those people who are using major events to hype Bitcoin use, as you are claiming. 

I don't need to go there as I remember all your posts and the topics we've discussed
From the fact that you didn't pay your cable tv and got cut out to Brexit and the Chinese new year you're always finding bitcoin as a solution for problems that it can't solve. Don't you remember how it would solve poverty? 

Fortunately for me, I have close friends that are working in the Health industry <Labs & Pathology> and they get frequent updates on the latest news about this virus epidemic, so I am quite informed about the latest things happening with this.

Did your friends tell you what the NCBI says?
Or are your friends better trained than the guys working there?
I'm still waiting for a study of virus transmissions between fomites, there is no conclusive study to date of how this happens if it happens at all.

And please don't avoid my question:

Would you support a government ban on cash payments if they would use the disease spreading as an excuse?

Ok, you sound like the kind of person that always wants to be right, so let's agree to disagree. I am a problem solver by nature and if I see a problem, I look for innovative solutions to that problem. I sometimes work on contract in Africa and I see lots of people dying from diseases that could have been prevented. <from the spread of the Ebola virus to Malaria etc.>

" The CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010. " - Source : https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html  - So we should be just as worried about the complications of the common flu virus, than with COVID-19.  

I am also in the technology field and I love anything related to currencies, so shoot me if I want to find innovative ways to prevent further infection, if Bitcoin can help with that.  

Sorry, if I missed your question : If you also scrutinize my post history, you would also see that I am not very fond of governments <more specifically corrupt governments> - A lot of these governments have hidden agendas and they will look for excuses to boost their hidden agendas. (Example : Bitcoin is used for terrorism and money laundering, so we should ban it) and for that reason I would use my own common sense and decide on my own, if I would support it or not.

I am divided on the issue, because I am a avid coin collector and I would not want to see coins and fiat currencies being banned for the wrong reasons. ( I would much rather want to find a solution to "clean" money or to find a way to prevent infectious diseases to be spread via these objects - some countries use plastic notes and they can be washed, without damaging the notes. )  

[stompix]

Ok, you sound like the kind of person that always wants to be right, so let's agree to disagree. I am a problem solver by nature and if I see a problem, I look for innovative solutions to that problem.

Ok, then let me tell you why your solution is flawed

a) even if you use a contactless payment the groceries would already have been touched by the merchant
b) the virtual goods you claim some people buy and will not touch are probably 1/1000 of what is bought with cash right now in Wuhan, what can they even buy with cash that doesn't require touching? Examples?
c) let's assume people in Wuhan and the rest of the area would switch to bitcoin, there are 50 million quarantine in the region if we take the capacity of the network at 400k transaction per day it means that 1% of them would be able to use it if we all choose to stop using bitcoin
d) there is, of course, the LN but it has a tiny flaw, you first need bitcoins, which you must purchase and you create a tx when you do so and there we're back at point c 
e) there is no evidence right now of any transmission though money which can be easily avoided using gloves

So, your solution is maybe solving 1% of the problem which usually means the problem is NOT solved.

Bonus
f) have you considered how much much the virus would spread if 1 million people would go to the ATMs to buy BTC and they all would be touching the same buttons? 

I am also in the technology field and I love anything related to currencies, so shoot me if I want to find innovative ways to prevent further infection, if Bitcoin can help with that.  

What is innovative in a contactless payment?
Bitcoin is not a magical thing that can solve and can be used in any situation, you have to accept that.

It was designed for something and it does those things wonderfully and flawlessly without it being promoted as the savior of everything that moves on this planet.
Also, you have to understand that this continuously push for bitcoin for everything is quite damaging for normal people outside this forum. Continuously hearing that bitcoin can do that can save that you can't live with bitcoin is making them thinking of some sort of snake oil.I've seen this in RL, normal people who don't spend half of their life talking about cryptos are really not buying this, on the contrary they will treat it with far more caution.

And on this forum, you're preaching to the choir anyway!!

[beerlover]

You maybe right, they shouldn’t be handling cash as it may retain some bacteria and virus that can cause them some serious infections. When you’re making use of WeChat Pay you’re using your phone to do the transaction and you wouldn’t have to make any hand to hand transaction with the recipient or sender. It’s still similar to Bitcoin and I might say that it is faster in some ways.

Bitcoin is still good, I have seen quite a few people that accepts Bitcoin for payment, it’s all about what you like. Paying bitcoin for a digital good still will not involve any human touch whereas anything other than digital good or services may involve human hands which may lead to spread diseases even with bitcoin payments .

[Kakmakr]

Ok, you sound like the kind of person that always wants to be right, so let's agree to disagree. I am a problem solver by nature and if I see a problem, I look for innovative solutions to that problem.

Ok, then let me tell you why your solution is flawed

a) even if you use a contactless payment the groceries would already have been touched by the merchant
b) the virtual goods you claim some people buy and will not touch are probably 1/1000 of what is bought with cash right now in Wuhan, what can they even buy with cash that doesn't require touching? Examples?
c) let's assume people in Wuhan and the rest of the area would switch to bitcoin, there are 50 million quarantine in the region if we take the capacity of the network at 400k transaction per day it means that 1% of them would be able to use it if we all choose to stop using bitcoin
d) there is, of course, the LN but it has a tiny flaw, you first need bitcoins, which you must purchase and you create a tx when you do so and there we're back at point c 
e) there is no evidence right now of any transmission though money which can be easily avoided using gloves

So, your solution is maybe solving 1% of the problem which usually means the problem is NOT solved.

Bonus
f) have you considered how much much the virus would spread if 1 million people would go to the ATMs to buy BTC and they all would be touching the same buttons? 

I am also in the technology field and I love anything related to currencies, so shoot me if I want to find innovative ways to prevent further infection, if Bitcoin can help with that.  

What is innovative in a contactless payment?
Bitcoin is not a magical thing that can solve and can be used in any situation, you have to accept that.

It was designed for something and it does those things wonderfully and flawlessly without it being promoted as the savior of everything that moves on this planet.
Also, you have to understand that this continuously push for bitcoin for everything is quite damaging for normal people outside this forum. Continuously hearing that bitcoin can do that can save that you can't live with bitcoin is making them thinking of some sort of snake oil.I've seen this in RL, normal people who don't spend half of their life talking about cryptos are really not buying this, on the contrary they will treat it with far more caution.

And on this forum, you're preaching to the choir anyway!!

Well, to me it is not totally flawed, because I see some scenarios where a different type of handling of products <with gloves> could add more practical preventative solutions to this problem. A lot of the food are cooked at high temperatures, killing the virus and the containers can be pre-wached in Bleach or you could bring your own, if you did not trust the merchant. 

Solving only 1% of the problem, still saves 1% of the lives and any lives saved is a good thing. 

Fiat ATM's are just part of the problem. Why would people have to use ATM's if they could buy bitcoins from exchanges via their Bank accounts, like most of us are doing. 

Even using credit cards will not totally solve their problem, because people still need to handle the credit card and the machine. 

I am hoping people who are not on this forum, might use Google and somehow end up on this topic and it might plant the seed for people to start doing this. I was searching for alternative payment options, after I was a victim of credit card fraud and I ended up finding Bitcoin. A friend of mine was looking for a new graphic card and he ended up mining for bitcoins with those graphic cards and now he is filthy rich. 

[Strongkored]

I actually see that making purchases online will far more help to reduce the spread of the virus because direct delivery is carried out by the courier to the customer's place, the customer does not need to meet with other people who allow the spread of the virus.
When I read a health article then there is no virus that survives in free air, the spread must be through human to human or animal to human, not from object to human, only bacteria can do that.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/bacterial-vs-viral-infection

[bitbunnny]

I actually see that making purchases online will far more help to reduce the spread of the virus because direct delivery is carried out by the courier to the customer's place, the customer does not need to meet with other people who allow the spread of the virus.
When I read a health article then there is no virus that survives in free air, the spread must be through human to human or animal to human, not from object to human, only bacteria can do that.
https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/bacterial-vs-viral-infection

That is only partialy true. Even when you are buying things online they need to be delivered to you door somehow. A numerous people are included in that process, it's not that only one human is dealing with shipment, so contact with humans is inevitable and you are not fully protected.