Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?

[BobK71]

Scientists have found HIV fragments in the virus DNA that seem unlikely to be naturally evolved.

We know that this virus has certain unprecedented behaviors, like long incubation period, asymptomatic transmission, ease of transmission and severe re-infection that seem designed to evade containment.

And FWIW, the White House announced an investigation of the virus as a weapon.

But, if you think that the shenanigans stop with the Chinese government, think again.  Apparently, a Canadian lab (ie one exempt from strict post-9/11 rules on securing bio agents) has been in the habit of getting its vials 'stolen' by Chinese.  Strangely, its director just died while attending a conference in Kenya.  For details and background, see this link.

To make the plot even thicker, it seems the virus predominantly targets East Asians who have a far higher proportion of ACE2 receptor cells than Caucasians, Africans or Arabs.  (It's through these receptors that the virus binds to and attacks human cells.)

I don't know anything beyond the public information.  What I can say is:

Objectively, at the end of the expansionary phase of the asset-inflation cycle of the modern financial and economic system, it benefits the long-term stability of the system to have a reset or re-calibration.  Such an event is always painful, at the very least transferring wealth from one set of people to another.  But if it can be blamed on something other than the core nature of the system, then it's a net benefit to the system.  (This applies to the Chinese economy, all other economies, and the global economy as a whole.)

[squatz1]

I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news. Everything on there (that you've linked) is sensational and is trying to make money (clicks, ads, etc) off of people who see this bullshit on their social media and click down the rabbit hole of fake news from this BS site.

Like even the headlines sound so outlandish, I'm going to use some examples here:

https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/  - As a direct impact of GreatGameIndia investigation on Coronavirus...he White House has opened and investigation to determine if these findings are true and whether Coronavirus is indeed bio-engineered in a lab

This isn't true in the least, the White House (about a week ago) asked the scientific community in the US to try to find the origin of this virus. Link to a real news source - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304

All of this is BS man.

[dvmmayowa]

Could the break out also have been as a result of the wild fire incident in Australia? Just like a colleague of mine told me today, most time we have catastrophic incidences that disrupts the wildlife ecosystem, then the resultant is the break out of a particular disease or the other.

[xhomerx10]

I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.

[CoinCube]

I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news.

You are wrong to summarily dismiss the information provided by the OP.

For example it is possible that the ACE2 receptor the required binding site of SARS and probably the new COVID-19 virus is much more prevalent in Asians particularly Asian males. There is a study that supports this conclusion but it has a very small sample size so it’s conclusion cannot be taken with certainly. However there are also multiple news reports indicating men in China are getting hit harder with this disease than women.

Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the putative receptor of Wuhan 2019-nCov
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

“These data indicated that ACE2 is likely to be the receptor for 2019-nCov.
...
“In total, we analyzed 43,134 cells derived from normal lung tissue of 8 adult donors. ”
...
“For all donors, ACE2 is expressed in 0.64% of all human lung cells.”
...
“Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020).
We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.”

There is also the fact that earliest identified patient zero had no connection at all to the animal market that the media keep pushing as the source of this.

Coronavirus Patient Zero: Why Wuhan market may not be the epicentre of deadly China virus
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1235463/Coronavirus-patient-zero-Wuhan-market-China-virus-epicentre-coronavirus-latest-China-news

Consider also that Virus-hit Wuhan has the only laboratory in China capable of working with deadly viruses and these two laboratories have been cited by intelligence agents as linked to Chinese bio-warfare program.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

Is this a biowapon that slipped out? There is no smoking gun yet but the possibility cannot be casually dismissed.

Edit: 3/4/20 With the mortality reports in Iran, Italy, and Washington State its is clear this is getting everyone sick and is not limited to any particular group or race.

[CoinCube]

I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.

Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.

[xhomerx10]

I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.

Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.

  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.

[BADecker]

I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.

Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.

  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

[xhomerx10]

I can remember when it was called a cold.  If it was intended as a bio-weapon, it's a total failure - absolutely useless as one.  Given its ability to paralyze the entire population of China, the Chinese government is a much more effective bio-weapon than the so-called Covid-19.

Of the first 99 confirmed cases of this at the epicenter Wuhan General Hospital overall mortality rate was 11%. This was with extraordinary interventions including ventilation and ECMO

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620302117.pdf

The disease is also extremely contagious. We don’t know for sure how long this can survive on surfaces but members of the Coronavirus family have been shown to survive anywhere from a week in the case of SARS to a month in the case of some known animal Coronaviruses.

https://www.sciencealert.com/study-shows-just-how-long-coronaviruses-can-stick-around-on-a-surface/amp

High infectivity asymptotic spread and survival from days to weeks on surfaces likely mean this disease is utterly uncontainable and will become established in the human population like the influenza virus.

Hopefully one of the following is true.

A) The disease is not as severe globally as initial reports out of China indicate. This might be possible if that small study on ACE2 receptors is accurate or if there are massive numbers of asymptotic infections where people don’t get sick.

Or

B) The initial quarantine measures slow this down enough to develop some effective treatments for it before it gets everywhere.

  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect

[Naida_BR]

I think that Corona Virus can be the basis of building fatal viruses in the future that can be used as weapons.
It is true that this virus is not created naturally, so if scientists would be able to isolate the main virus then this would create more viruses that we don't have a remedy yet.

[coolcoinz]

  Most people with cold or flu-like sypmtoms don't even go to the hospital let alone get admitted to a hospital specializing in infectious disease at the onset of their illness.  The first people to be involved in the study were already very ill - in fact, the first fatality in this study had already had fever and dyspnoea for 7 days prior to going to the hospital.  While the study is useful, we can't draw conclusions about the mortality rate of this disease based on this study alone.

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.

I once had a high fever and shivers, so I went to see a doctor. This was Sunday and normal clinics were closed, I had to go to the hospital. The doctor seemed annoyed that he, the specialist, has to see me when he has more important patients to look after and that I should have gone to the clinic. I explained that it's Sunday and they're closed, but he kept complaining and rolling his eyes. Finally gave me a perscription for an antibiotic and that was it. I felt like shit from the sickness and he managed to make it even worse.
Throat infectiopns and influenzas make the best bio weapons because they are so common and we tend to ignore the symptoms or mitigate them with painkillers.

[Jet Cash]

The reason Asian males are more susceptible than females is that few Asian females smoke. It is smoking that affects the receptors, and not
 the sex of the infected.

[BADecker]

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect

But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

[CoinCube]

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect

But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses.  

Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus.

Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205

Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/

[BADecker]

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect

But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses.  

Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus.

Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205

Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/

Good point!

But when things happen fast, like CV, we need fast answers. Finding the data scientifically can be a painstakingly long process of experimentation, and testing on animals. By the time we find out what works, or what is bad for us, millions might be dead anyway.

In cases like CV, isn't it better to listen to folklore, and use what has seemed to work for thousands of years? If such doesn't work, at least it has been tested for centuries so that people know it isn't poison. If it were poison, people would have been warned away from it for ages, already.

[xhomerx10]

Often they use vitamin B12 to treat dyspnea - altitude sickness. For some people methyl B12 is way better than simple vitamin B12. Maybe the cure is methyl B12 plus lots of vitamin C, and added iron.

 Taken with a nice hot cup of Kenya AA coffee for the synergistic effect

But drink Ganoderma coffee instead. Ganoderma is the Malaysian word for the Japanese Rieshi mushroom. So, it's mushroom coffee, with a mushroom that uses fungal effect to kill off all kinds of diseases.

There is often very little data when it comes to alternative medicines and herbal supplements. Especially when it comes to treating viruses.  

Elderberry extract is an exception. It has been shown in randomized trials to be useful against the influenza virus. No one knows for sure how or if it would help against this new coronavirus.

Randomized Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Oral Elderberry Extract in the Treatment of Influenza A and B Virus Infections
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/147323000403200205

Inhibitory activity of a standardized elderberry liquid extract against clinically-relevant human respiratory bacterial pathogens and influenza A and B viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056848/

 Next to coffee it's my second favourite beverage

 

  Socată

 Good to know it has some benefits

[BobK71]

 The reason I replied to this thread was to answer the question  "Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?" and I still maintain that it is utterly useless as a bio-weapon.

 It's just a cold.

As a weapon for killing people, it would be a failure.  But as a weapon to deflate economic activity, it's brilliant.  The latter is what I've suspected it is.

[BobK71]

The reason Asian males are more susceptible than females is that few Asian females smoke. It is smoking that affects the receptors, and not
 the sex of the infected.

This was what I once thought, after reading some commentary.  But when examining the data, you can see clearly it's largely untrue.  The vast majority of smokers in China are male, but they make up only slightly over half of serious cases.

[BobK71]

I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news. Everything on there (that you've linked) is sensational and is trying to make money (clicks, ads, etc) off of people who see this bullshit on their social media and click down the rabbit hole of fake news from this BS site.

Like even the headlines sound so outlandish, I'm going to use some examples here:

https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/  - As a direct impact of GreatGameIndia investigation on Coronavirus...he White House has opened and investigation to determine if these findings are true and whether Coronavirus is indeed bio-engineered in a lab

This isn't true in the least, the White House (about a week ago) asked the scientific community in the US to try to find the origin of this virus. Link to a real news source - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304

All of this is BS man.

The two articles are not really contradictory to each other, are they?  It does look like one news source is spinning the information one way and the other is spinning another way -- business as usual.

I'm not sure which sites I linked to are click-bait money making types.  Whatever you say of ZeroHedge or GreatGameIndia, they're definitely not what you describe.

Do you have any other reason to think this is 'fake news?'

FWIW, China has, and Japan has announced, that HIV drugs will be used to treat the illness.  This would tend to confirm the claim that there are HIV fragments in the virus DNA.

[squatz1]

I'm unsure if you (OP) is aware that everything that you've read is complete and utter bullshit. It's from a website which is all fake news. Everything on there (that you've linked) is sensational and is trying to make money (clicks, ads, etc) off of people who see this bullshit on their social media and click down the rabbit hole of fake news from this BS site.

Like even the headlines sound so outlandish, I'm going to use some examples here:

https://greatgameindia.com/ggi-impact-white-house-to-investigate-if-coronavirus-was-weaponized/  - As a direct impact of GreatGameIndia investigation on Coronavirus...he White House has opened and investigation to determine if these findings are true and whether Coronavirus is indeed bio-engineered in a lab

This isn't true in the least, the White House (about a week ago) asked the scientific community in the US to try to find the origin of this virus. Link to a real news source - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304

All of this is BS man.

The two articles are not really contradictory to each other, are they?  It does look like one news source is spinning the information one way and the other is spinning another way -- business as usual.

I'm not sure which sites I linked to are click-bait money making types.  Whatever you say of ZeroHedge or GreatGameIndia, they're definitely not what you describe.

Do you have any other reason to think this is 'fake news?'

FWIW, China has, and Japan has announced, that HIV drugs will be used to treat the illness.  This would tend to confirm the claim that there are HIV fragments in the virus DNA.

It's not that they're contradictory, its that the news sources are wrong. They're saying that they're the ones that cracked the code in saying that they found that it was a bioweapon -- which it isn't. They're also saying that the WH agrees with them in that its a bioweapon -- which isn't true, the WH is only asking scientists to try to find the origin.

The website is just full of BS news, there's no way to support it.