Is the Corona Virus A Bioweapon?

[Negotiation]

It seems to me that this is just a fraud for Chinese politics

You are right that they are spreading false rumors about the Coronavirus as no other country can understand it and help them financially I think this is happening in many other cities in China not China. It is usually HIV when it comes to illicit sex. I don't think it's possible to cure.

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[imjeybi1208]

It is no secret that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime, although a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention, views the development of biological weapons as a key element in achieving world domination by military means. He Fuchu, vice president of the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, said in 2015 that biomaterials were the new means of "strategic control" of war.

General Zhang Shibo of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) went even further in his book War's New High Land, published in 2017, saying that "the development of modern biotechnology allows us to gradually see the strong sides of its offensive use ”, including the potential for “ genetic attacks against specific ethnic groups ”.

In other words, General Zhang is talking about biological weapons that kill other races, but not people like him who have natural or acquired immunity against these weapons. Those who might think that he is not necessarily speaking on behalf of the leadership of the Chinese State Party should know that this disastrous general was president of the PLA National Defense University and a full member of the 18th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (2012-2017).

So, as far as intentions are concerned, I think there is indisputable evidence that the CCP would develop offensive biological warfare weapons if it could. But is he capable of it? What do we know about China's capabilities in this area?

[KingScorpio]

Scientists have found HIV fragments in the virus DNA that seem unlikely to be naturally evolved.

We know that this virus has certain unprecedented behaviors, like long incubation period, asymptomatic transmission, ease of transmission and severe re-infection that seem designed to evade containment.

And FWIW, the White House announced an investigation of the virus as a weapon.

But, if you think that the shenanigans stop with the Chinese government, think again.  Apparently, a Canadian lab (ie one exempt from strict post-9/11 rules on securing bio agents) has been in the habit of getting its vials 'stolen' by Chinese.  Strangely, its director just died while attending a conference in Kenya.  For details and background, see this link.

To make the plot even thicker, it seems the virus predominantly targets East Asians who have a far higher proportion of ACE2 receptor cells than Caucasians, Africans or Arabs.  (It's through these receptors that the virus binds to and attacks human cells.)

I don't know anything beyond the public information.  What I can say is:

Objectively, at the end of the expansionary phase of the asset-inflation cycle of the modern financial and economic system, it benefits the long-term stability of the system to have a reset or re-calibration.  Such an event is always painful, at the very least transferring wealth from one set of people to another.  But if it can be blamed on something other than the core nature of the system, then it's a net benefit to the system.  (This applies to the Chinese economy, all other economies, and the global economy as a whole.)

how do you knwo this is not some kind of fake news that is being spread by arabs and africans to push their racist agenda?

[BobK71]

It's not that they're contradictory, its that the news sources are wrong. They're saying that they're the ones that cracked the code in saying that they found that it was a bioweapon -- which it isn't. They're also saying that the WH agrees with them in that its a bioweapon -- which isn't true, the WH is only asking scientists to try to find the origin.

The website is just full of BS news, there's no way to support it.

I don't think any source is saying the 'code has been cracked', whatever that means.  One source is saying HIV fragments have been found in the virus DNA, and that these fragments are unlikely to have evolved naturally.  This is not the same as claiming it's a bioweapon, even though it does raise the suspicion.

Also I don't think anyone is claiming the White House agrees it's a bioweapon.  The White House is looking into the possibility.

[BobK71]

It is no secret that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) regime, although a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention, views the development of biological weapons as a key element in achieving world domination by military means. He Fuchu, vice president of the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, said in 2015 that biomaterials were the new means of "strategic control" of war.

General Zhang Shibo of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) went even further in his book War's New High Land, published in 2017, saying that "the development of modern biotechnology allows us to gradually see the strong sides of its offensive use ”, including the potential for “ genetic attacks against specific ethnic groups ”.

In other words, General Zhang is talking about biological weapons that kill other races, but not people like him who have natural or acquired immunity against these weapons. Those who might think that he is not necessarily speaking on behalf of the leadership of the Chinese State Party should know that this disastrous general was president of the PLA National Defense University and a full member of the 18th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (2012-2017).

So, as far as intentions are concerned, I think there is indisputable evidence that the CCP would develop offensive biological warfare weapons if it could. But is he capable of it? What do we know about China's capabilities in this area?

I don't doubt that the Chinese regime has strong ambitions in biological warfare.

The US has been the leader in this field for decades, and its ambition was demonstrated by its special treatment of the Japanese bioweapons team responsible for the notorious Unit 731 lab in occupied Northeast China (Manchuria) during the war.  The US Surgeon General estimated that half a million Chinese prisoners died under the bioweaponry experiments performed on them by Unit 731.  (The team was not only specially excluded from war crimes trials, but had long, distinguished careers in the US for decades afterwards.  It looks like the US really wanted their data and their talent.)

It also seems a little strange (but not totally impossible) that the Chinese regime would release something that targets not foreigners, but its own people, genetically.

[415jeremy]

I think that Corona Virus can be neither a bioweapon, nor a basis for building it in the future. If you conclude that the corona was not created naturally, why is it so hard to find a remedy?

[NoobRichard]

wow that's unexpected! anyway China has a good reputation about trying to lessen the number of population via sevaral government backed large scale human extincting programs and this is not the first time they have done so...

[Tash]

 Wuhan Institute of Virology from 4-12-2015
http://english.whiov.cas.cn/Research2016/Research_Progress2016/201712/t20171215_187953.html

The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans.

Recently, Prof. Zhengli Shi and Xingyi Ge from WIV, in cooperation with researchers from University of North Carolina, Harvard Medical School, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology and etc, examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, the scientists generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.

On the basis of these findings, they synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. The work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

[klava1983]

Saying that corona is a bioweapon is a kind of conspiracy theory. If Coronavirus is a weapon for killing people, it's totally failure. 

[Tash]

No, but it helps the looming pension crises.
Numbers in from China, 44,672 case

Age	Infected	Died
0-10	0.90%	0%
10-19	1.20%	0.10%
20-29	8.10%	0.70%
30-39	17.00%	0.20%
40-49	19.20%	0.40%
50-59	22.40%	1.35%
60-69	19.20%	3.60%
70-79	8.80%	8.00%
80+	3.20%	14.80%

13.2% of the death hat existing cardiovascular disease
9.2% had high blood sugar
8.4% already had hypertension
8% had chronic respiratory disease before
7.6% had cancer
1.4% had no known disease

Of the infected 4.7% Men and 2.8% Women died.

[tvbcof]

Saying that corona is a bioweapon is a kind of conspiracy theory. If Coronavirus is a weapon for killing people, it's totally failure. 

By that measure so is the 5.56 NATO round.  As a matter of fact, included in the list of properties of that round was that it often maimed rather than killed and thus increased the strain on the enemy who had to allocate more resources to deal with the wounded person.

My point is that most people have an extremely simplified understanding of strategy and tactics and thus what makes a good weapon.  Or even what a 'weapon' is for that matter.  Non-lethal biological weapons can be a much better tool than lethal ones or nukes.

It might be possible to collapse a country like China with non-lethal biological weapons.  The trick is to get the Chinese people to do the heavy lifting work of ousting the CCP, and it very well may work out that way (no matter what actually happened with SARS++ which is still a big mystery.)

It's increasingly clear that 2019 nCoV is a lab created thing.  (Less clear, to me, is whether this is actually the main thing killing people...if people are actually even dying...or just some bacteriaphage along for the ride, plays a small part with it's AIDS component, or is just there for the purpose of confusing people.)  I could see this turning into a giant game of blind-mans-buff as various countries react to perceived attacks in an every increasing spiral of vengeance.

Maybe that is the idea?  When the dust settles it will be a 'new world'...and it will need new leaders.

[franky1]

do some research folks
corona virus has been around since the 1960's
its not new.
each strain each year varies abit due to natural mutation.

each more severe strain usually gets given a big buzzword name like sars or mers. and all other varients are just called flu

the reason the word corona virus has not been spoken in media so much is because instead of letting communities really study it and check how severe it is. media grabbed it before it got a public name and misunderstood it and just gave it the broad term corona virus because they didnt know any better.

so now people suddenly think corona is new, and deadly.
fact is corona viruses have been around for over 60 years

and yes just because you got the flu 2 years ago doesnt mean you'll never get the flu again.
just stop trying to make out that this seasons flu is a 99% killer.. when the reality is if your under 50yo you got a 99% chance of being fine
stop trying to make out its as bd as aids where once you got it your stuck with it and eventually will be the death of you.
flu's come and go. new seasons new years new sniffles and coughs

heck i bet people didnt even know that swine flu was actually called
porcine delta corona virus

yep corona virus is common.
but each year the strain changes and causes a different symptoms
in short. its the friggen flue and been around since the 1960's so will everyone calm the hell down with all the conspiracy theories

as for the stupidity of linking it to HIV
HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
this does not mean corona20 causes hiv or mutated from hiv. it just means general antibiotics used for many purposes are being used for corona 20.

[Tash]

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HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
 

Bullocks, injecting Anti-biotics, aka against living organisms = death does not protect from anything it kills bacteria, fungus....
It does so very effective including the good bacteria which the body needs.

It can not kill a virus as it is not alive to start with. Viruses can not reproduce and need a host to make more of them.
Once host is infected it will stay with the host until the temperature reaches 30°C / 86°F, outliving the host.
Once the immune overpowers it, it keeps it under control, seduces it. Some viruses are crafty and escape easy, herpes reappearances are common.

[TECSHARE]

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HIV weakens the immune system so people need antibiotics to protect them from other viruses
these antibiotics dont cure HIV or help HIV. they re used to help prevent people get other flu's
 

Bullocks, injecting Anti-biotics, aka against living organisms = death does not protect from anything it kills bacteria, fungus....
It does so very effective including the good bacteria which the body needs.

It can not kill a virus as it is not alive to start with. Viruses can not reproduce and need a host to make more of them.
Once host is infected it will stay with the host until the temperature reaches 30°C / 86°F, outliving the host.
Once the immune overpowers it, it keeps it under control, seduces it. Some viruses are crafty and escape easy, herpes reappearances are common.

TIL viruses can be seductive.

[Naida_BR]

Saying that corona is a bioweapon is a kind of conspiracy theory. If Coronavirus is a weapon for killing people, it's totally failure. 

You can never know how this virus started.
Having said that, saying that it is a bio weapon is a same saying like claiming that it started from a guy that ate a bat soup.
Everything is possible in the world that we are living and every claim should be investigated thoroughly.

[KingScorpio]

No, but it helps the looming pension crises.
Numbers in from China, 44,672 case

Age	Infected	Died
0-10	0.90%	0%
10-19	1.20%	0.10%
20-29	8.10%	0.70%
30-39	17.00%	0.20%
40-49	19.20%	0.40%
50-59	22.40%	1.35%
60-69	19.20%	3.60%
70-79	8.80%	8.00%
80+	3.20%	14.80%

13.2% of the death hat existing cardiovascular disease
9.2% had high blood sugar
8.4% already had hypertension
8% had chronic respiratory disease before
7.6% had cancer
1.4% had no known disease

Of the infected 4.7% Men and 2.8% Women died.

thank good for that virus, it will help keeping burden of the young population in developed countries, hope there will be also soon a virus that is hungry for the blood cells of migrants this could also have beneficial effect for the world's security

[blackfishsoup]

I think the point here is not to reduce the number of people. People are randomly in this game of elites. I don't know exactly what the virus was created for, but the fact that it is an artificial virus is clear to me.

[IIV]

The Chinese might have been creating a new bioweapon and they miscalculated the how potent the transmission is and it spread from there.
FYI, Wuhan is the center for medical research in China.

[Aymenfad]

it seems conspiracy theories infect us quicker than the virus itself. This time, the basic idea behind all of them is that the origins of COVID-19 in Wuhan, home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is suspicious. From that point, some claim that it escaped the lab accidentally after being used in a regular, if risky, experiment, or a bioweapons program. Others suggest it was released deliberately.

[Tash]

The seven coronaviruses that can infect people are: Human Coronavirus Types

This video is 10 years old and he tells events as they unfold.
The Anglo-Saxon Mission  (June 18, 2010)
https://youtu.be/TmWM51mTY_c?t=882