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February 23, 2020, 03:13:36 AM
Last edit: February 23, 2020, 10:07:15 AM by Lightingcoders
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Hello guys

i think most of the bitcoin community are unaware of something very interesting is happening in the biggest country in Africa : Algeria

Mass protests is today a 1 strong-year-old mainly politic demands BUT .
one of the big demands is lifting the bans on crypto currencies and blockchain
and i should mention that Algeria is population 43 million with 55% internet penetration
wonder what bitcoin price would be when the ban get lifted ...? Huh

https://i.imgur.com/5WtrkKy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QYaC7wp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6xvJHwd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZmSguZz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Mkjknwq.jpg

for those who want to see the size of the protests, 20 million people

(support article : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47496856)


are on the streets every Friday since 22 of February 2019 with 0 signs for weakness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWtOAEd_cQM

what i can say , we have evidence showing an Algerian bitcoin whales are manipulating the price for an eventual crypto ban lift

For those who want more evidence or want to know more here is a support article : https://medium.com/@ghostsdz/decentralized-protests-in-algeria-3a0d918fc92e


if Africa get involved in crypto, that's the breaking point for adoption
We are also working on something very interesting for africa with fellow nigerians, couple of surprises will soon hit the crypto comunity from Algeria


Update 1 Milestone: the government set a digital decentralization plan

source: http://www.aps.dz/en/algeria/33175-president-tebboune-opens-government-walis-meeting

https://i.imgur.com/JZgUway.png

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February 23, 2020, 04:29:57 AM
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Well, I guess if the movement does not come from a leader, it could be considered decentralized. If the people just go to the streets out of personal willingness and find others who are also out there protesting against an unfair law, that is also decentralization in a sense. There is no leader to arrest or to assassinate or to negotiate with. There is no single person who could be considered as the source of inspiration or instruction who the government could easily eliminate to shut the protest movements down.

The growth of Bitcoin and crypto is already felt and seen in Africa. I think it is only a matter of time before your country will take a closer and more serious look at crypto. Perhaps it could help to lobby through congress the creation of crypto-related bills, or even to conduct hearings, even at a committee level, for your lawmakers to understand crypto more.

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February 23, 2020, 05:12:28 AM
Last edit: February 23, 2020, 05:24:36 AM by Lightingcoders
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Well, I guess if the movement does not come from a leader, it could be considered decentralized. If the people just go to the streets out of personal willingness and find others who are also out there protesting against an unfair law, that is also decentralization in a sense. There is no leader to arrest or to assassinate or to negotiate with. There is no single person who could be considered as the source of inspiration or instruction who the government could easily eliminate to shut the protest movements down.

The growth of Bitcoin and crypto is already felt and seen in Africa. I think it is only a matter of time before your country will take a closer and more serious look at crypto. Perhaps it could help to lobby through congress the creation of crypto-related bills, or even to conduct hearings, even at a committee level, for your lawmakers to understand crypto more.

Exactly ,

the regime almost gone insane searching for the true leaders of this mass movement , tried to arrest thousands and thousands even protest poets has been arrested : https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/algeria-poet-revolution-200222065319923.html

nothing affected the movement that reached the first year, which never has been done in the whole world
The #Hirak show no sign of retreat until it achieve what it want


it started kinda an experiment from our side back in the 22th of feb 2019 but seems it worked, what we achieved is

- ending a 20 years of dictatorship and hidden autocracy
- 90% of old regime faces are behind bars including even former algeria intelligence chiefs https://www.reuters.com/article/us-algeria-trial/algerian-military-court-upholds-jail-sentences-for-former-intelligence-chiefs-idUSKBN2042H2
- new president
- and now we are on the road of deep reforms financial, political ...etc

we want decentralization and crypto backed finanical system , as many of you don't know algeria financial system is incredibly closed , we will change that

more info are available on the medium blog post i shared

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February 23, 2020, 05:22:19 AM
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Cryptocurrency are a synonym to economic freedom. Decentralizations would enable the unrestricted flow of ideas and information.
One may argue the misuse both of them may offer but their advantages surpass the problems. And with the support and contribution of masses, we would be able to devise a solution that would best suit for us.

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February 23, 2020, 06:04:34 AM
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Cryptocurrency are a synonym to economic freedom. Decentralizations would enable the unrestricted flow of ideas and information.
One may argue the misuse both of them may offer but their advantages surpass the problems. And with the support and contribution of the masses, we would be able to devise a solution that would best suit for us.

we can all agree on that, but what if the regime itself wants the opposite? what if the regime wants bureaucratic, stalling, slow financial system?
same with internet access, regime want to keep us the slowest internet in the world , and it succeeded in that
its weird yes , but it is the case of Algeria
and its a long story why

this is why the protests have to be innovative and persistent no matter what , we gotta succeed
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February 23, 2020, 06:10:42 AM
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It's weird that there are no news about protests in Algeria in my country.I live in the EU.
25 million people on the streets?I think it's a little bit exaggerated.If there were 25 million people on the streets on Algeria,this news will be on CNN and every mainstream media on the planet.
The protests were most likely organized via social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter,and I really doubt that those protests have something to do with Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in general.

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February 23, 2020, 06:19:33 AM
Last edit: February 23, 2020, 07:12:37 AM by Lightingcoders
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It's weird that there are no news about protests in Algeria in my country.I live in the EU.
25 million people on the streets?I think it's a little bit exaggerated.If there were 25 million people on the streets on Algeria,this news will be on CNN and every mainstream media on the planet.
The protests were most likely organized via social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter,and I really doubt that those protests have something to do with Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in general.

unfortunately, it's not exaggerated ... and your point is totally valid and understandable

although the video i attached is just 1 state which is the capital where we could get drone footage, and we have 58 states + there were protests aswell in more than 20 counries worldwide by algerian expats..do the math
France , canada , USA ...Etc
example :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS8jCWaSSXY

here is just another state called , Borj bou arerij : https://i.imgur.com/DQx1ByE.jpg
want on video ? here you go : https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=external&v=502711296927809

this is the same for all the 58 states ...

just search for : March of 20 Million algeria
you'll see

but what most people don't know, is that the old regime we had is mainly mafia that has money stored in the EU and USA and im talking billions uppon billions of dollars stolen

second, people have to know that the old Algerian regime is very known by bribing media and even directly bribing countries
learn more here
https://www.algiersherald.com/algeria-international-media-condemned-for-lack-of-coverage-of-protests/

third, no country wants to Algeria to be a true democracy, because if its current business model where everything is imported from EU and US by billions $
true economy would mean no imports and then no money $$$ for you guys

Fourth, there was a very big fake news campaign that misleads the media as well

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-49679634

fifth : add to it the internet shutdown : https://netblocks.org/reports/internet-disrupted-in-algeria-amid-protests-against-military-influence-pA2znrAb

sixth : add to it refusing visas to journalists : https://www.echoroukonline.com/algeria-refuses-to-grant-visas-for-french-journalists/
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https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/afp-algiers-bureau-chief-aymeric-vincenot-expelled-after-press-accreditation-renewal-refused/

seventh : facebook via its Dubai regional MENA operations was censoring algerian protests : https://www.algiersherald.com/is-facebook-targeting-algerian-activists/


Algeria protests are more big of a deal that it seems
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February 23, 2020, 07:51:28 AM
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I've seen the the two images you shared but I can't seem to find articles that supports your statement that lifting the ban on crypto is one of the protester's demands. There's this article - ALGERIA EMBROILED IN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC UNREST – TIME TO LIFT BITCOIN BAN? - where it says "Bitcoin has managed to prove itself as a viable alternative to fiat currencies in times of political and economic unrest" but there's still no mention about the demand. Out of the millions of protesters, there's probably a few who are thinking about bitcoin.




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February 23, 2020, 08:14:49 AM
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I've seen the the two images you shared but I can't seem to find articles that supports your statement that lifting the ban on crypto is one of the protester's demands. There's this article - ALGERIA EMBROILED IN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC UNREST – TIME TO LIFT BITCOIN BAN? - where it says "Bitcoin has managed to prove itself as a viable alternative to fiat currencies in times of political and economic unrest" but there's still no mention about the demand. Out of the millions of protesters, there's probably a few who are thinking about bitcoin.







yeah , that's the problem our content generally is in french or Arabic and mostly on facebook, you wont find big supporting articles in english
i can assure you the amount of people demanding for blockchain-based financial solution is real big , because we do have a very bug financial problem

did you know that there is 100 billion $ in foreign currency circulating in our black market ,Um yeah 100 billion USD ?

excerpt : "The "Skwar market" occupies dozens of young people in the center of the capital, and from there the daily exchange rate for various currencies goes to the rest of the governorates in the same way as the official monetary systems work, but none of these young people has the slightest idea of ​​the source of those funds, which are estimated by some experts at 100 billion dollars."

if yo want to verify type  :Skwar algiers you'll get the place where currencies are exchanged

the Skwar market or Port Said garden ,is the place of the black market in the capital Algiers
its Skwar market not sugar market as google translate suggests

here is the support article From the famous UK independent Arabia newspaper, throw a google translate and read

the source article : https://www.independentarabia.com/node/71386/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A/%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%83%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%A6%D8%B1-%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%B6%D8%AD-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AD%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A6%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AA





at the end of the day pal , im just spreading the word of what is really hapening ,not trying to influence nor spread any agenda
just to be clear
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February 23, 2020, 09:06:29 AM
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Just to set the record set, blockchain is not = to bitcoin, Blockchain is the technology behind it.

The first picture to show, someone is carrying a placard with blockchain and cryptocurrencies and then the second image, with cryptocurrency. So it might be some misconception, don't get me wrong here, we have seen similar political unrest in Venezuela and to an extend in Hong Kong, but we haven't seen that adoption that we all have been waiting, just saying.

Best of luck though, and I do hope that Algeria won't be the next Venezuela.
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February 23, 2020, 09:28:47 AM
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Cryptocurrency are a synonym to economic freedom. Decentralizations would enable the unrestricted flow of ideas and information.
Protest like this is a clear evident of people who still dont understand the word decentralization and they just inflict whatever idea they can fanned out to media.

It's weird that there are no news about protests in Algeria in my country.I live in the EU.
25 million people on the streets?I think it's a little bit exaggerated.If there were 25 million people on the streets on Algeria,this news will be on CNN and every mainstream media on the planet.
Exactly the author just exaggerating the news and even connecting bitcoin to the said protest. Even so, why it didnt come out on social media if this is a real deal. Right?
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February 23, 2020, 09:34:55 AM
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Cryptocurrency are a synonym to economic freedom. Decentralizations would enable the unrestricted flow of ideas and information.
Protest like this is a clear evident of people who still dont understand the word decentralization and they just inflict whatever idea they can fanned out to media.

It's weird that there are no news about protests in Algeria in my country.I live in the EU.
25 million people on the streets?I think it's a little bit exaggerated.If there were 25 million people on the streets on Algeria,this news will be on CNN and every mainstream media on the planet.
Exactly the author just exaggerating the news and even connecting bitcoin to the said protest. Even so, why it didnt come out on social media if this is a real deal. Right?

well ...BBC right ? here you go buddy : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-47496856

https://i.imgur.com/zYI13Zv.png

want it in bigger font ?


maybe pay more attention to the news ?
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February 23, 2020, 10:33:22 AM
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I do think all the moments can be inspired from one another , seeing or hearing about what they are gonna do or something along the lines , I do not think that the moments are decentralized , essentially because here is always leaders supporting it and fueling it , they might be hidden but they are always there.
If they would have been decentralized , a group of people won't be attending those , rather 1-2 people doing stuff on their own .
If it is a group , they worked together.
Is what I believe.

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February 23, 2020, 12:12:02 PM
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I do think all the moments can be inspired from one another , seeing or hearing about what they are gonna do or something along the lines , I do not think that the moments are decentralized , essentially because here is always leaders supporting it and fueling it , they might be hidden but they are always there.
If they would have been decentralized , a group of people won't be attending those , rather 1-2 people doing stuff on their own .
If it is a group , they worked together.
Is what I believe.

sorry fiulpro , this protests really has no leadership, do your research about it
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