USA siding with EU vs UK and nazis

[KingScorpio]

USA will have to chose weather to side with nationalism or continentalism.

the problem with nationalism like uk france etc. is that

it will surge nationalist racist and segregationist movements in the usa,

while siding with the EU will show to all those seperatists in the usa that europe despite having so many different langauges doesnt feel really happy about them and would prefer to have less of them, like in the americas.

therefor allying with the EU will support american legtimiacy, allying with uk will damage it.

at the expense of course of the financial sovereignty (usd vs. euro)

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[TECSHARE]

Nationalism is not equivalent to racism. This argument is horse shit. You are against globalism right? Pretty much the only force resisting globalism is nationalism.

[KingScorpio]

Nationalism is not equivalent to racism. This argument is horse shit. You are against globalism right? Pretty much the only force resisting globalism is nationalism.

of course it is, the langauge only doesn't create enough sovereignty for nationalistic capitalists,

look at ukraine, they all spoke russian and nationalistic capitalism increased the amount of langauges in europe, completely pointless.

it starts with nationalism, and the more extreme it gets it then starts asociating nationality with race, this is how the whole system is running and this is how it put europe into 2 world wars.

what do you want to do when nations start competing against each other for financial gains, and labour? in that case they start being racist.

[mayo2u]

USA will have to chose weather to side with nationalism or continentalism.

the problem with nationalism like uk france etc. is that

it will surge nationalist racist and segregationist movements in the usa,

while siding with the EU will show to all those seperatists in the usa that europe despite having so many different langauges doesnt feel really happy about them and would prefer to have less of them, like in the americas.

therefor allying with the EU will support american legtimiacy, allying with uk will damage it.

at the expense of course of the financial sovereignty (usd vs. euro)

regards

Nationalism does not equal racism. Nationalism is the appreciation of ones culture and, in the case of the US, the love of the ideals of the Constitution - namely individual liberty over collectivism; the right of the individual over the encroaching power of the state. 

The EU is a failed experiment (mostly).  The overwhelming centralization of power in Brussels and the contempt that Brussels has for the culture and differing ideals of its member states is the cause of its failure. A unified currency is hard enough; but this quest for centralization is  its downfall. It's also the root cause of the failure of the American left - the quest to centralize everything in Washington DC.

[mayo2u]

Nationalism is not equivalent to racism. This argument is horse shit. You are against globalism right? Pretty much the only force resisting globalism is nationalism.

of course it is, the langauge only doesn't create enough sovereignty for nationalistic capitalists,

look at ukraine, they all spoke russian and nationalistic capitalism increased the amount of langauges in europe, completely pointless.

it starts with nationalism, and the more extreme it gets it then starts asociating nationality with race, this is how the whole system is running and this is how it put europe into 2 world wars.

what do you want to do when nations start competing against each other for financial gains, and labour? in that case they start being racist.

If nationalism goes to the point of equating the nation with race and the concept of racial superiority then it has gone too far. But leftism with its quest for egalitarianism also goes to far:

the french revolution
the russian revolution
the chinese revolution.

All of them wanted to get rid of "old ideas", "old culture", "old language." All lead to ever more out of control purity tests. And we see that once again today. Equality of outcome over everything else. And you're concerned about racism? Look to the fuking left and its identitarian policies to see racism gone rampant.

[TECSHARE]

Nationalism is not equivalent to racism. This argument is horse shit. You are against globalism right? Pretty much the only force resisting globalism is nationalism.

of course it is, the langauge only doesn't create enough sovereignty for nationalistic capitalists,

look at ukraine, they all spoke russian and nationalistic capitalism increased the amount of langauges in europe, completely pointless.

it starts with nationalism, and the more extreme it gets it then starts asociating nationality with race, this is how the whole system is running and this is how it put europe into 2 world wars.

what do you want to do when nations start competing against each other for financial gains, and labour? in that case they start being racist.

If nationalism goes to the point of equating the nation with race and the concept of racial superiority then it has gone too far. But leftism with its quest for egalitarianism also goes to far:

the french revolution
the russian revolution
the chinese revolution.

All of them wanted to get rid of "old ideas", "old culture", "old language." All lead to ever more out of control purity tests. And we see that once again today. Equality of outcome over everything else. And you're concerned about racism? Look to the fuking left and its identitarian policies to see racism gone rampant.

I would even go as far as to say associating race with nationalism is not necessarily wrong or racist. There is not anything wrong with wanting to preserve ones culture. The modern Japanese I would say are a positive example of this. The USA is by no means racially homogeneous so it doesn't qualify. The problem starts when it becomes about racial supremacy. Nationalism itself is the only thing protecting the world from global totalitarianism. Nations are like bulkheads in a ship. If one fails they are isolated and the globe can still float even though one compartment is flooded. If we were under globalism, failure would be global, and allow us all to sink into totalitarianism.

[KingScorpio]

Nationalism is not equivalent to racism. This argument is horse shit. You are against globalism right? Pretty much the only force resisting globalism is nationalism.

of course it is, the langauge only doesn't create enough sovereignty for nationalistic capitalists,

look at ukraine, they all spoke russian and nationalistic capitalism increased the amount of langauges in europe, completely pointless.

it starts with nationalism, and the more extreme it gets it then starts asociating nationality with race, this is how the whole system is running and this is how it put europe into 2 world wars.

what do you want to do when nations start competing against each other for financial gains, and labour? in that case they start being racist.

If nationalism goes to the point of equating the nation with race and the concept of racial superiority then it has gone too far. But leftism with its quest for egalitarianism also goes to far:

the french revolution
the russian revolution
the chinese revolution.

All of them wanted to get rid of "old ideas", "old culture", "old language." All lead to ever more out of control purity tests. And we see that once again today. Equality of outcome over everything else. And you're concerned about racism? Look to the fuking left and its identitarian policies to see racism gone rampant.

nationalism becomes racist and fascist as soon as there are national banks and national currency (nationalist capitalism) because those are evaluating the production of a nation, germany for example claimed its national citizens abroad as their property as they have educated them etc.

if there are no national capitalists, the nation is doomed and gets sooner or later underdogiesed by a nation that has capitalists.

germanies and eastern europes point of view is: if you are not in the EU then you are a nazi. because they think you are an uneuropean nation and do what you want and act in private greed.

while the view of many european kingdoms are if you are in the EU and not 100% sovereign then you are a nazi. but a 100% sovereign nation could be anything, and so EU minded nations distrust nonEU minded ones.

what they all don't understand is that if they want to buy stuff from other nations they have first to commit that they are friendly, and for that there is the EU.

as soon as germany and the european community drops the euro of other nations they all go bankrupt.

[franky1]

?.. nationalisation is racism as soon as national banks/currencies are created..?

nationalism is about creating a national currency/bank.. but thats not the racism
thats uniting different regions into an agreeable single form of banking/currency

if you want to know an example of racism
take india for instance. did you know that as a national agenda they wanted to form a criteria for allowing people to become an indian citizen.
first of all all non-indian born (hereditary citizens) get classed as undocumented. eg refugee's and undocumented people of all religions
and then claim that all undocumented people are then allowed citizen no matter what religion they are.. apart from.. muslim

..yep muslims cant be granted citizenship.

nothing to do with money or bank. but just due to do with being picky about which people can and cant become a citizen based on race/religion

atleast try to learn things

[TECSHARE]

?.. nationalisation is racism as soon as national banks/currencies are created..?

nationalism is about creating a national currency/bank.. but thats not the racism
thats uniting different regions into an agreeable single form of banking/currency

if you want to know an example of racism
take india for instance. did you know that as a national agenda they wanted to form a criteria for allowing people to become an indian citizen.
first of all all non-indian born (hereditary citizens) get classed as undocumented. eg refugee's and undocumented people of all religions
and then claim that all undocumented people are then allowed citizen no matter what religion they are.. apart from.. muslim

..yep muslims cant be granted citizenship.

nothing to do with money or bank. but just due to do with being picky about which people can and cant become a citizen based on race/religion

atleast try to learn things

Not that I agree with their policy necessarily, I don't know anything about it, but Muslim is not a race.

[KingScorpio]

?.. nationalisation is racism as soon as national banks/currencies are created..?

nationalism is about creating a national currency/bank.. but thats not the racism
thats uniting different regions into an agreeable single form of banking/currency

if you want to know an example of racism
take india for instance. did you know that as a national agenda they wanted to form a criteria for allowing people to become an indian citizen.
first of all all non-indian born (hereditary citizens) get classed as undocumented. eg refugee's and undocumented people of all religions
and then claim that all undocumented people are then allowed citizen no matter what religion they are.. apart from.. muslim

..yep muslims cant be granted citizenship.

nothing to do with money or bank. but just due to do with being picky about which people can and cant become a citizen based on race/religion

atleast try to learn things

ofc, how do you want to keep your investments in national education then?

you will get robbed by everyone else. racism and hatred are important tools of nations to maintain a positive economic balance.

uk will have to teach its youth to hate europe in order to prevent its labour flowing out, like the eastern bloc.

[franky1]

Not that I agree with their policy necessarily, I don't know anything about it, but Muslim is not a race.

not that you admit you dont know anything about it.
but by deeming muslims as not part of the indian race. makes it racism.. for whatever reason.. for instance location,skin colour, or religion, or language, or social qualities.

yes. even a black man can be racist about another black man. if they come from different social constructs.
race is not just about dna similarities

ofc, how do you want to keep your investments in national education then?
you will get robbed by everyone else. racism and hatred are important tools of nations to maintain a positive economic balance.
uk will have to teach its youth to hate europe in order to prevent its labour flowing out, like the eastern bloc.

the UK pound banks wont cause conflict with europe or propagandise uk youth to hate europe. the reason the UK didnt adopt the euro is because they actually want people to go to europe. and then send funds home to the UK
if the UK was using the EURO then its just stirring the same pot of funds in circles and no profit being made inbetween.
but by having a different currency they can make profit on the exchange and actually like people swapping funds around.

banks dont make profit from having it just sit in banks. they make profit from having it exchanged and other things. changing hands is part of making profit.

dont blame banks for any racial tension. instead blame government laws that change peoples rights and responsibilities based on their social/economic/biological status

banks dont care who uses their services. the more the better. its government that want to limit who as access to treasury spending(yea government(local and national) controls education spending not banks)

[Naida_BR]

Nationalism is not equivalent to racism. This argument is horse shit. You are against globalism right? Pretty much the only force resisting globalism is nationalism.

of course it is, the langauge only doesn't create enough sovereignty for nationalistic capitalists,

look at ukraine, they all spoke russian and nationalistic capitalism increased the amount of langauges in europe, completely pointless.

it starts with nationalism, and the more extreme it gets it then starts asociating nationality with race, this is how the whole system is running and this is how it put europe into 2 world wars.

what do you want to do when nations start competing against each other for financial gains, and labour? in that case they start being racist.

Totally nonsense. Nationalism is not the same as racism.
You can be a racist without necessarily being a nationalist.
You just tangle the two terms into one. Being a nationalist doesn't mean that you have all other countries.

[TECSHARE]

Not that I agree with their policy necessarily, I don't know anything about it, but Muslim is not a race.

not that you admit you dont know anything about it.
but by deeming muslims as not part of the indian race. makes it racism.. for whatever reason.. for instance location,skin colour, or religion, or language, or social qualities.

yes. even a black man can be racist about another black man. if they come from different social constructs.
race is not just about dna similarities

Muslim is a religion, not a race. What you are describing is called prejudice, not racism.

[Febo]

USA will have to chose weather to side with nationalism or continentalism.
the problem with nationalism like uk france etc. is that
it will surge nationalist racist and segregationist movements in the usa,
while siding with the EU will show to all those seperatists in the usa that europe despite having so many different langauges doesnt feel really happy about them and would prefer to have less of them, like in the americas.
therefor allying with the EU will support american legtimiacy, allying with uk will damage it.
at the expense of course of the financial sovereignty (usd vs. euro)

There are no country that is nationalists or racists. There are some people in each country.  I live in central europe and I see UK citizens as way less nationalist as most of european countries. UK have way more mixed population than the rest of europe. It probably come from colonies they had in last 200 years. USA is by far most mixed. American natives are minority by far.

Anyway. Each country by themself will need to not elect nationalists to get pover. I am sure they will. You can win with spreading hate just some period of time.

[KingScorpio]

germany and eastern europe have a very clear logic what a nazi is; thats a nation thats puts its national interest over other nations, and acts rouge. eastern europe and germany together therefor think that uk and all exiteers are nazis.

germany will side more and more with eastern europe against all those who abandon the EU.

[Kuffy]

People are constantly banging on about racism, and nationalism, but nobody ever mentions the real power split. This is the Anglophone elite. They control the EU, despite the fact that no members counties speak English. The UK is no longer a member of course, but it still controls the banking. The non-Anglophone countries are just there to be milked. Just look at the way they treated Greece.

[KingScorpio]

People are constantly banging on about racism, and nationalism, but nobody ever mentions the real power split. This is the Anglophone elite. They control the EU, despite the fact that no members counties speak English. The UK is no longer a member of course, but it still controls the banking. The non-Anglophone countries are just there to be milked. Just look at the way they treated Greece.

thats not true, the uk banks controll only the pound. they have nothing to say about the euro. the euro is getting more and more under controll of eastern europeans

[Febo]

germany and eastern europe have a very clear logic what a nazi is; thats a nation thats puts its national interest over other nations, and acts rouge. eastern europe and germany together therefor think that uk and all exiteers are nazis.

germany will side more and more with eastern europe against all those who abandon the EU.

It is not. Nationalists are very strong in east Europe. Way stronger then in UK. Why? Because big % of citizens of UK are not England natives, but people that moved to England in past centuries. East Europe is nationally homogenise. There is tiny % of people that dont belong that nation.  Nationalists or you can call them also neo nazis dont glorify their country but their nation. If you have citizenship of their country but you dont belong to their nation they will push you away and denies you equal rights.   


Every European country is supposed to side with those that are part of EU toward those that are out of EU. That is totally logical. But also every country that is in EU will have to present some standard's that we all together decide. That is how communities work.  Nationalism for sure dont help here. But I am sure all EU countries will overcome that. Europe was continent of constant wars for 1000 years.  That had changed when EU was formed.

[KingScorpio]

germany and eastern europe have a very clear logic what a nazi is; thats a nation thats puts its national interest over other nations, and acts rouge. eastern europe and germany together therefor think that uk and all exiteers are nazis.

germany will side more and more with eastern europe against all those who abandon the EU.

It is not. Nationalists are very strong in east Europe. Way stronger then in UK. Why? Because big % of citizens of UK are not England natives, but people that moved to England in past centuries. East Europe is nationally homogenise. There is tiny % of people that dont belong that nation.  Nationalists or you can call them also neo nazis dont glorify their country but their nation. If you have citizenship of their country but you dont belong to their nation they will push you away and denies you equal rights.   


Every European country is supposed to side with those that are part of EU toward those that are out of EU. That is totally logical. But also every country that is in EU will have to present some standard's that we all together decide. That is how communities work.  Nationalism for sure dont help here. But I am sure all EU countries will overcome that. Europe was continent of constant wars for 1000 years.  That had changed when EU was formed.

nationalists in eastern europe are in truth communists pretending to be nationalists,

[Febo]

germany and eastern europe have a very clear logic what a nazi is; thats a nation thats puts its national interest over other nations, and acts rouge. eastern europe and germany together therefor think that uk and all exiteers are nazis.

germany will side more and more with eastern europe against all those who abandon the EU.

It is not. Nationalists are very strong in east Europe. Way stronger then in UK. Why? Because big % of citizens of UK are not England natives, but people that moved to England in past centuries. East Europe is nationally homogenise. There is tiny % of people that dont belong that nation.  Nationalists or you can call them also neo nazis dont glorify their country but their nation. If you have citizenship of their country but you dont belong to their nation they will push you away and denies you equal rights.   


Every European country is supposed to side with those that are part of EU toward those that are out of EU. That is totally logical. But also every country that is in EU will have to present some standard's that we all together decide. That is how communities work.  Nationalism for sure dont help here. But I am sure all EU countries will overcome that. Europe was continent of constant wars for 1000 years.  That had changed when EU was formed.

nationalists in eastern europe are in truth communists pretending to be nationalists,

It is same all over the world.  Central Europe, West Europe, East Europe. Difference is just that in East europe because of not that long democracy tradition it is much easier for them to manipulate people with fear and hate.  They are just politics that want to seize government and control. Most dont have any really strong believes beside that. They just use hate and fear to get that power. All of them will call everyone beside them a communist. Even if the guy was born after communism ended.