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[Morbidus]

Hi I'm Morbidus. Here is the full conversation with Uwe Martens for context. Of course you will see he left out quite a bit.
https://imgur.com/SmONjZn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/q0HRI5P.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/kQUnXGS.jpg

[Iruwen]

Sorry, I haven't been there at the time. My colleagues forgot something important which I now amended, just in case: you're banned.

PS: nobody cares.

[Morbidus]

Oh, @Morbidus, thanks for sharing! I didn't want to bother the community with the whole chat, but thanks for the evidence of the inicial posting here:

He couldn't resist firing the discussion again and again when I noticed clearly EOD several times after I had also deleted the chat already several times

4:28 AM Bye!
9:59 AM EOD from my side! Bye!
4:26 PM Bye!

Well context is important. I also want to reiterate that I did not DM you first, nor is there any law against responding when you said "bye". The context shows that I tried to treat you fairly and in a nice way. It shows that I even told you how to flaunt the rules and both promote your project and be an active member of the channel: By discussing it rather than posting links and ads. The context shows the full story, not just your postings of me being mean.

The reality is you got upset rules were enforced.... not by me or the other admins but by Combot, which removed the posts because of the links. Subsequently when I looked into why combot was removing your post I found it was links to another channel and the text was a promotion alone, so if combot wouldnt have removed it for a new user posting links, it would have been removed and you warned for promoting. Its really not a complex issue and one we havent had a problem explaining to violators in the past. There are some friends that could promote some really great things to members of the CMC community but I have to enforce the rules all the same. I literally meant that it could have been a promotion of an anti-scam website and we would have to remove it. Random project by guy who just joined, and demanded be allowed to promote it because it was non-profit? That doesnt fly either. Now Im sorry I got rude at the end, but its not a big deal.

Also, this has nothing to do with the number of people in TG groups lol.

[Morbidus]

Somebody still have to explain you the difference between spam and info. According to your definition every link to which project or site ever would be "illegal promotion". But I don't think, that's here the right location to discuss it. And surly the whole case is a matter of the group size, as one has to scroll over hundreds of other messages out of other discussion fragments coming in second intervals to get the context. So no cultivated discussion is possible, as you will miss relevant responses. But anyway I have to honor your public excuse for your manner of discussing! The deleted link was surly not the reason of my email to the heads of CMC!

Nah, I never said you were spamming. Just posting promotions. I never went and looked what the other fiasco was because you were clearly being irrational. If I had to guess he kept seeing you posting something and it immediately removed by combot as you tried to circumvent the restriction. In which case it was spam/flood. But that is neither here nor there, nor is the member count.

This thread is simply your way to try and hurt the mods that enforced the rules. I'm not sure the benefit of hiding it behind such a title, but im not the brightest. You were spamming CMC with complaints before you and I even started our conversation and professor is a really nice guy. Calling for him to be removed because, at worst, he was confused on what spam was is an overreaction. At the same time you were still violating the rules. Also as I told you before, there is a suggestions link in the pinned message where you can voice your opinions on what needs to change or be clarified in the telegram channel rules as well as CMC products themselves.

I will move on from this. TC

[Artemis3]

Today I entered the CoinMarketCap Group with 9750 members at the moment. I linked a new Namecoin channel, mentioning Namecoin as a currency and DNS blockchain service. As nonprofit channel and project surely no spam! At first the Combot deleted my posting automatically doe to restrictions of new users, where posted links within 24 hours get blocked, even if these links are just internal to other groups
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When you join a channel or user group, you have to abide by their rules. Some channels don't want links of any kind, some don't want links to other groups (regardless of content). This has nothing to do with the number of users, but of course many groups use helper bots, i would as well, in fact i have a few in a private little group i made for my friends. It is possible to configure the bots to delete certain kind of messages, such as those containing images or sound, or stickers, urls, whatever.

First thing you have to do when joining, is read their rules, then wait and see if others do what you want to do. You can also ask if what you plan to do is allowed, they usually tell no need to pull the trigger.

Understand that Telegram (and other networks) are full of spammers, both automated or manned by real people. If you don't agree with their rules, simply leave. you can always start your own group and have your own rules.

There is an even nastier thing that can happen to your telegram account so be glad they kicked you before that happened. If individual people start using the report button, you will find yourself unable to use telegram for a number of hours or days (it becomes read only) and its not possible to appeal, even when unfair.

Just move along and let them be, this is a normal as internet has always been.

[Morbidus]

Thanks for the amusement! Seems so that you didn't read the whole thread, so here the summary just for you: Reduced the lowest common denominator I cited the rules of the CMC group already: "Share, but don't spam". Even the trolling moderator confirmed above, that I sent no spam. Also I wasn't kicked out of the group. I left the group immediately by myself! The trolling moderator began a discussion afterwards in a private chat, even after I wrote him, that I had left the group, ending with "bye!". Then he couldn't stop to contradict my simple point of view regarding to the difference between spam and info. He's going so far, that he's trolling around even days after such an extremely simple issue, mentioning my name in his displayed name. Further I wrote already about the obvious excessive demand of the bunch of moderators in a group with nearly 10 000 members. Picking on people, which don't bow respectfully to them saying yes and sorry, is then the obvious result. Well, we'll see if they will draw consequences at CMC until the deadline I set. Upon fruitless expiry I'll publish a nice sociological expose in front of a broader audience about the interpersonal interaction in chat rooms over 1000 members, with the CMC group as prime example... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Further I'm working online since the beginning of the internet, so I surly don't need any advice anymore about the rules of conduct in groups. Also it is ridiculous that anyone would get blocked in Telegram just for linking to a legal Telegram group! By the way I'm also programming since the C64 area, including assembly machine code, several high-level programming languages up to designing and programming microcomputers, and currently with the Namecoin project in the blockchain and crypto related sector. So as far as I can determine the level of the CMC group: it's just a kindergarten, dominated from a bunch of amateurs and hobby traders. Take a look at the trolling mod: If you google "Morbidus", you'll find his Youtube Channel, according to the Google cache recently changed from "Morbidus" to "Mordibus Is Boring Us", playing the outdated war game Elite Hydra. That's him you can see in commenting him to crypto related stuff. This is the level we're talking about, when it comes to a evaluation of the level of the CMC group and its moderation:

http://network-security-services.com/waste/Screenshot-2020-03-01-0120.jpg

I'm just living in your head I see. It's not healthy man move on. No promotions are allowed. It's not my rule, it's cmc.'s

[Morbidus]

Oh, he still didn't get it even after several days and extensive explanations over and over again, that the (automatically) deleted link has long since been the issue here... q.e.d. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Well now the issue seems to be your obsession with it, but I have a feeling it's all from the same source. Anyways, war commander wast such a dated game back then. Did you check the dates? I knew I'd get more views one day. Dont forget to like and subscribe

[Iruwen]

Well, we'll see if they will draw consequences at CMC until the deadline I set.

No.

Also it is ridiculous that anyone would get blocked in Telegram just for linking to a legal Telegram group!

Our group, we do as we please.

So as far as I can determine the level of the CMC group: it's [...] dominated from a bunch of amateurs and hobby traders.

That's exactly what we are. It's just a community, run by unpaid community members.

Feel free to get in touch with the team for an advertising quote: https://coinmarketcap.com/advertising/

[Morbidus]

So all we can see here: CoinMarketCap failed! My recommendation to everyone: Head over to CoinGecko!

Im guessing they enforce their rules too though. Have you tried posting a promotion of your channel there?

THERE IS NO ACCOUNT NAMED COINGECKO SUPPORT, DO NOT BE FOOLED BY SCAMMERS.
Rules
1)NO referral or airdrop links. This will lead to a quick ban.
2) Please do not invite other members to pools or inquire about pools. We cannot enforce the validity of private pools. Inviting members to private pools will lead to a ban.
3) Please be civil and courteous to your fellow members.
4) This group is for discussing topics related to cryptocurrencies only.
5) No self-promotions. No sharing of signal groups.
6) No organised shilling of a project.
7) No spamming.
No posting trade offers, this is not an OTC channel, we will not be responsible for any trades that occur.

And BTW, it has over 1k members too >.<

[Morbidus]

An analysis of a group of course also includes the maintenance in general, its bots, admins and moderators, interacting with the community. And my case here was just the tip of the iceberg

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | SV is the New XRP | Altcoin Denier | Grand Pleb | Fiat's Patsyadmin
It was a promotion

Chupki
Ok then
Sorry

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | SV is the New XRP | Altcoin Denier | Grand Pleb | Fiat's Patsyadmin
Probably mostly because of the promotional offer of a months free hosting but such events especially posting thier logos seems more like an ad than a convo starter

All good. Its a grey area sometimes

And thank you for pointing out how your situation could have gone if you didnt act like a spoiled child.

Literally the worst tantrum Ive seen to a warning issued for promotion so far.

[Iruwen]

I think the community can thank “Morbidus” for the repeated confirmation of his lack of understanding!

You still don't get what a community is, as opposed to an official support channel. We're not representatives and my mask is awesome, so is Germany. I did my job banning you, got better things to do than educate you. Farewell.

[Morbidus]

it is impossible to lead a thorough discussion about a specific crypto project in a group with nearly 10 000 members, where a coherent discussion thread is only possible with the citation of the previous snippet of the conversation, always interrupted through several other discussion fragments. The discussions in groups over 1000 members have a half-life period of just a few minutes, afterwards the thread is getting a useless data garbage.

Dude, I get your point. I am just saying its a distraction from what really has you triggered enough to post the topic at all: We would not allow you to break the rule against promotions. I wont be distracted from it.

Everyone knows this and nobody will disagree. When I wanted logically to link to an outsourced non-profit discussion group, the moderators of CMC claimed the territorial sovereignty of discussion and said: “No, you have to discuss here, and you are not allowed to link to your own discussion!” How ridiculous!

No, we simply said promotions are not allowed and you proceeded to let us know how idiotic we were in your mind for not knowing that promotions only involve things for monetary profit. I tried to explain there was no distinction but you insisted.

And as if this wouldn’t have been enough, the querulous chat moderator began to troll me, indeed quite like a little child, after just four private messages and a friendly bye, with "I am right and you are wrong". A “dear colleague, you have your opinion, I have my opinion, that's ok!” he couldn’t accept.

Again, I certainly could have accepted your ending the convo with a word or phrase but I chose not to. How silly to expect someone to simply say nothing more to you on demand. Luckily for you they make a feature that blocks DMs and we humans were made with the ability to ignore things. At least you did employ the block feature, but the ignoring part is what you find hard it seems.

Although the deleted link to my channel was just the trigger, but not the issue of this thread (what of course this moderator never will get), I asked the creator of the CoinGecko Group for his opinion.

And what did he say? >.< Let's walk this through. Not only do you demand channels allow you to post links, but also promote your own newly created channel, and keep the channel membership down to under 1000 members? Why dont you create one and see how allowing links and promotions go for you? Im sure you'll have no hindrance at all to conversations. I suspect you will be back before long, as you run into the next channel that dared not allow you to do as you liked.

So I can end the discussion with "Bye"? Ok, bye.

[Morbidus]

I knew that he will insist to have the last word! He keeps sinking in the mud on and on and doesn't even notice, also that I haven't been discussing with him anymore, but talking about him. Bitcointalk is not the place to continue a private dispute, which ended in offensive gifs also in the public group, I left already! But what will one expect from a chat moderator, who generally doesn't make a difference between informational non-profit links and commercial promotion. To be continued... 

So it doesnt work for me either, dang. You brought this to bitcoin talk, even linked it so we could continue. I was already in the mud remember? My angry grandpa and crying child gifs. I do know the difference between the different types of promotions. You cant seem to grasp that they are all against the rules. All of your points, even the strawman 1000 member channel one, fail the logic test.

[Morbidus]

q.e.d.

Hey, you got your wish. I'm no longer moderator for cmc. Now I can really speak my mind.

You are the worst example of a spoiled brat flailing upon the ground, demanding societies rules of decency conform to you. I have never once come across such a brat.

You act like my 12 year old daughter when she gets busted breaking a rule. Suddenly a lawyer arguing this or that creative, albeit wrong, case of injustice. It's cute for 12 year olds, not for grown men. You will be humbled one day, and for societies sake I hope its sooner rather than later.