Scrap the trolling rule?

[suchmoon]

This post:

in 5 years you have done nothing.  you have not added a single line of code to a single crypto project, and have not worked for a single blockchain startup
you remind me of zepher, did actually NOTHING for BTC, and like zepher, 6 months after your dead, people will forget all about you
oh, you worked for rollin.io, so you helped degenerates waste their money, woot?   all you HAVE done is extract $$$ for your own means from this scene, congrats?

LOL maybe in the next 5 years you will actually contribute to the technology that brings us all here....

Seemed like a good test for the trolling rule:

3. No trolling.

So I reported it as "100% trolling". It was marked as bad. Granted I could have added more info as to why I think it's trolling (attack on the OP, attack on a deceased forum member, false statements - 100% inflammatory content).

Is it trolling? If not - why? If yes - do posts like that have a chance of being removed (with a better report comment perhaps) or should we not bother?

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[LFC_Bitcoin]

I think that post could definitely be seen as trolling. For a start it’s been made with an alt, throw away account. Speaking ill of the dead is definitely trolling, if I was a mod I’d defo have marked the report as Good.

I don’t think we should do away with the trolling rule tbh, suchmoon. This report obviously (wrongly imo) was marked as Bad but if we get rid of the trolling rule things would get a lot worse. Ass hats like cryptohunter would have free reign & be able to destroy this place.

Try not to get too disappointed about Bad reports, it’s better to keep reporting perceived trolling even if they don’t all get removed. Something is better than nothing. Keep up your great work, suchmoon.

[suchmoon]

I really don't care much about the bad report itself. If anything it's good news for me personally as I'm known to engage in trolly debates sometimes.

I know Bitcointalk has a much more... uhm... liberal definition of trolling than most other places so I'm interested what others think - if that post crossed the line here or not.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I really don't care much about the bad report itself. If anything it's good news for me personally as I'm known to engage in trolly debates sometimes.

I know Bitcointalk has a much more... uhm... liberal definition of trolling than most other places so I'm interested what others think - if that post crossed the line here or not.

There’s nothing constructive about the post, its purpose is just to troll & the bit about Zepher is out of order imo.

[PrimeNumber7]

Trolling is not something that you disagree with. Nor is it something that is critical of someone you like. Trolling will generally be more than a single post.

I don’t agree with what he said, but he has the right to be critical of forum members, even if he does so in a way that is in very bad taste.

This is probably a great opportunity to practice having someone disagree with you and to practice a factual rebuttal to what someone who disagrees with you in an attempt to change their opinion.

[cabalism13]

Just voted for the 3rd one? (Reason: Just Trolling ✌😂)
This is an example of troll... ☝️
Also the quoted message is considered as a troll or maybe not, really... when you try to look at it hardly with four eyes, you'll see that this message was just meant to give his own grudge or maybe his ideals which is basically a sentiment. But if the quoted message wasn't suppose to be there because it was merely a retaliation then it should be removed.

if someone didn't get my point,... don't worry I didn't get it either. Perhaps I should, maybe, find my point somewhere else... LoL

[TECSHARE]

This rule is pretty much effectively non-existent anyway. I think it is there mostly as an out for when a user literally does nothing but being disruptive of the general use of the forum for other users, but doesn't break any of the other rules.

[DireWolfM14]

Is it trolling? If not - why? If yes - do posts like that have a chance of being removed (with a better report comment perhaps) or should we not bother?

It is obviously trolling, but it's also free speech.  I've never been particularly affected by trolls, I tend to ignore them for the most part.  I doubt LoyceV was hurt by it, he seems like he's got a thick skin, and knows how to shrug off the haters.  I don't know that I would have deleted that post myself (if I was a mod.)

I prefer free speech over enthusiastic moderation of trolling.  One man's troll and another man's...  I don't know what's the opposite of troll?  Rebel?  Protester?  Wise-cracker?  Whatever.  I voted for the first option; remove the rule.  It's fairly apparent that it isn't enforced anyway.  Just look at how long CH/TOAA has been trolling...  And still doing so.

I understand why you reported the post, though.  A fake newbie attacking LoyceV is more humorous than anything else.  What a fucking coward.  If you want to be critical of another member, find a way of expressing yourself without diving into attacks on the persons character.  And don't stoop so low as to attack the dead, without any legitimate reason to do so.  That whole part of the post was off-topic as well, so it's a gray area.  Still, it is dick-move, but that's no reason to delete it.

Slightly off topic; who's the moderator for the Meta board?

ETA:  OP is not stupid, and I'm sure that his offspring (suchmoonlets?) are adorable. 

[suchmoon]

It is obviously trolling, but it's also free speech.  I've never been particularly affected by trolls, I tend to ignore them for the most part.  I doubt LoyceV was hurt by it, he seems like he's got a thick skin, and knows how to shrug off the haters.  I don't know that I would have deleted that post myself (if I was a mod.)

I'm sure LoyceV will survive this calamity but just ignoring who it was against - the whole purpose of that post seems to have have been an inflammatory and offensive attempt to disrupt the thread. I'm glad it didn't succeed. There is nothing of value in that post as far as I can see. Just like we don't consider off topic spam posts as protected free speech (just reported one right here in Meta and it's gone now) there is no harm to anyone's free speech if zero-value inflammatory content is removed or moved.

Slightly off topic; who's the moderator for the Meta board?

I think hillariousandco and/or Cyrus were listed as mods at one point but there is no one currently so I'm guessing globals handle it.

ETA:  OP is not stupid, and I'm sure that his offspring (suchmoonlets?) are adorable.  

The people disagree:


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50% of the forum can't be wrong.

[truth or dare]

This post:

in 5 years you have done nothing.  you have not added a single line of code to a single crypto project, and have not worked for a single blockchain startup
you remind me of zepher, did actually NOTHING for BTC, and like zepher, 6 months after your dead, people will forget all about you
oh, you worked for rollin.io, so you helped degenerates waste their money, woot?   all you HAVE done is extract $$$ for your own means from this scene, congrats?

LOL maybe in the next 5 years you will actually contribute to the technology that brings us all here....

Seemed like a good test for the trolling rule:

3. No trolling.

So I reported it as "100% trolling". It was marked as bad. Granted I could have added more info as to why I think it's trolling (attack on the OP, attack on a deceased forum member, false statements - 100% inflammatory content).

Is it trolling? If not - why? If yes - do posts like that have a chance of being removed (with a better report comment perhaps) or should we not bother?

It appears that you are unable to understand the trolling rule here guaratees such a post is protected as accurate and valuable.

The promulgation of false and clearly debunked information as true.

Since his post is true.  Then why scrap the rule that defines this as clearly not trolling

Are you trolling suchmoon?

It is even more hilarious LFC bitcoin is meriting this trolling by suchmoon . Who would have suspected she would support this nonsense.

[DireWolfM14]

This post:

in 5 years you have done nothing.  you have not added a single line of code to a single crypto project, and have not worked for a single blockchain startup
you remind me of zepher, did actually NOTHING for BTC, and like zepher, 6 months after your dead, people will forget all about you
oh, you worked for rollin.io, so you helped degenerates waste their money, woot?   all you HAVE done is extract $$$ for your own means from this scene, congrats?

LOL maybe in the next 5 years you will actually contribute to the technology that brings us all here....

Seemed like a good test for the trolling rule:

3. No trolling.

So I reported it as "100% trolling". It was marked as bad. Granted I could have added more info as to why I think it's trolling (attack on the OP, attack on a deceased forum member, false statements - 100% inflammatory content).

Is it trolling? If not - why? If yes - do posts like that have a chance of being removed (with a better report comment perhaps) or should we not bother?

It appears that you are unable to understand the trolling rule here guaratees such a post is protected as accurate and valuable.

The promulgation of false and clearly debunked information as true.

Since his post is true.  Then why scrap the rule that defines this as clearly not trolling

Are you trolling suchmoon?

What I'm wondering is why you didn't just post it from your truth or dare account?  What are you afraid of?

[truth or dare]

This post:

in 5 years you have done nothing.  you have not added a single line of code to a single crypto project, and have not worked for a single blockchain startup
you remind me of zepher, did actually NOTHING for BTC, and like zepher, 6 months after your dead, people will forget all about you
oh, you worked for rollin.io, so you helped degenerates waste their money, woot?   all you HAVE done is extract $$$ for your own means from this scene, congrats?

LOL maybe in the next 5 years you will actually contribute to the technology that brings us all here....

Seemed like a good test for the trolling rule:

3. No trolling.

So I reported it as "100% trolling". It was marked as bad. Granted I could have added more info as to why I think it's trolling (attack on the OP, attack on a deceased forum member, false statements - 100% inflammatory content).

Is it trolling? If not - why? If yes - do posts like that have a chance of being removed (with a better report comment perhaps) or should we not bother?

It appears that you are unable to understand the trolling rule here guaratees such a post is protected as accurate and valuable.

The promulgation of false and clearly debunked information as true.

Since his post is true.  Then why scrap the rule that defines this as clearly not trolling

Are you trolling suchmoon?

What I'm wondering is why you didn't just post it from your truth or dare account?  What are you afraid of?

This is an example of trolling or what?

[Mitchell]

Not going to comment about the poll itself (so this can be considered off-topic), but fuck that person for shitting on Zepher. Who attacks a deceased forum member that was a friend to a lot of people?

[hilariousetc]

You should always add as much info as possible as mods probably aren't going to go investigating and they might not be aware of why you consider it trolling, but that's the sort of report I'd probably leave and neither mark good or bad, but there are far worse instance of trolling here that go unreported or unhandled.

I don't think we should get rid of the rule but it's obviously one where it's down to the opinion of the reporter and the mod who handles it. some people do get away with far too much trolling round here though.  

Slightly off topic; who's the moderator for the Meta board?

I think hillariousandco and/or Cyrus were listed as mods at one point but there is no one currently so I'm guessing globals handle it.

ETA:  OP is not stupid, and I'm sure that his offspring (suchmoonlets?) are adorable.  

I don't believe there's ever been a dedicated mod of Meta, but any Global or Admin can handle reports there, but the user is a Newbie so any patroller can handles reports against them and maybe that's what happened here.

[suchmoon]

I don't believe there's ever been a dedicated mod of Meta

I might have confused it with Reputation then.

[truth or dare]

I don't believe there's ever been a dedicated mod of Meta

I might have confused it with Reputation then.

Confused about the specific trolling rule here and many other things it seems.

Take a break.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Take a break.

You should take a permanent one.

[Carlton Banks]

Trolling is not something that you disagree with. Nor is it something that is critical of someone you like.

this

trolling has really always been defined as "(subtle) provocation on the internet"


subtle, because if the perpetrator does not go about it subtly, then the target will not be amply provoked

[suchmoon]

subtle, because if the perpetrator does not go about it subtly, then the target will not be amply provoked

If that's the case then we should definitely scrap the rule - sounds unenforceable.

[~DefaultTrust]

So I reported it as "100% trolling". It was marked as bad. Granted I could have added more info as to why I think it's trolling (attack on the OP, attack on a deceased forum member, false statements - 100% inflammatory content).

Is it trolling? If not - why? If yes - do posts like that have a chance of being removed (with a better report comment perhaps) or should we not bother?

No, this is not trolling. This is self expression. Moderators did everything right.

I think that post could definitely be seen as trolling. For a start it’s been made with an alt, throw away account. Speaking ill of the dead is definitely trolling, if I was a mod I’d defo have marked the report as Good.

That's why you will never be a moderator here.

People are afraid of being eaten by your DT1 gangs. That's why they are forced to express their opinion from alternative accounts.