Have you tried explaining provable fairness to old-school gamblers?

[alani123]

A while ago, a friend had urged me to run into a store and buy some tickets for a jackpot. For me, that's fine. The chances of getting it is astronomical but rewards on state jackpots are as big as any cheap gambling ticket can give you... They have a history of paying out and they're generally trusted for giving out the money when a jackpot is won eventually.

But he then asked if I would want to spend some time looking at the monitors playing a virtual game. You basically punch out some numbers in a card-ticket you buy, and every 10 minutes new numbers are generated. I respectfully declined but didn't explain why. In an occasion meant to have fun I didn't want to look like a dork, but It really made me think. Would old-school gamblers, people that gamble in bricks and mortars shops, in non-crypto casinos etc. be able to comprehend of the importance of provable fairness?

It just bothers me to no end that so many people don't realize that it's a problem if the house knows your numbers and also control the random number generation. I think that provable fairness could act as a good way to introduce people into bitcoin as provable fairness also talks about trustlessness. But that's another topic.

Do you have any experience trying to explain the virtues of provable fairness to your friends? To be honest, I don't have any other friends that gamble through commercial services so I don't have much experience. But I'd like to know if anyone else has achieved a change of faith with their friends.

[Darker45]

Most, if not all, of my friends who are into online gambling are also into crypto. They're basically gambling using crypto, so the concept of provable fairness is not strange to them. However, I have to admit that many of us are playing in provably fair crypto casinos but do not fully understand the tool. While it is quite easy to use verifiers, it is not as easy to understand how everything works.

On the other hand, most of my old-school gambling friends are not even aware of crypto, do not play online, so it is quite pointless to explain to them such an alien thing as provably fair casinos.

[Yatsan]

Most, if not all, of my friends who are into online gambling are also into crypto. They're basically gambling using crypto, so the concept of provable fairness is not strange to them. However, I have to admit that many of us are playing in provably fair crypto casinos but do not fully understand the tool. While it is quite easy to use verifiers, it is not as easy to understand how everything works.

People who are in crypto space won't be bother to play any virtual gambling so I guess it's a matter of trust with experience on a certain website. I admit I'm one of those people who don't fully understand the tools maybe because I play on different platforms where the UIs are different from each other. It always makes me laugh whenever I imagine myself explaining to anyone that virtual gambling is just the same as conventional gambling haha.

On the other hand, most of my old-school gambling friends are not even aware of crypto, do not play online, so it is quite pointless to explain to them such an alien thing as provably fair casinos.

Well 70% of my friends are known to crypto so I don't waste time explaining which is which. We are just arguing about the best online casinos in existence

[DarkDays]

Most old school gamblers only care about fairness as a function of reputation, e.g. they'll trust something based on its reputation rather than requesting actual evidence.

Because of this, it's quite possible that many gamblers are being ripped off in brick and mortar casinos thanks to fixed games, but because the casino has a great rep, they'll never question the outcome of their games.

Personally, I have only needed to explain the concept of provable fairness twice, the first time was to an idiot who thought that all online casinos use riggable RNG's to generate their results, and the second was to a casino I work with that was looking how to be more transparent with their users.

So far, I haven't had too much difficullty getting the message through, but both people were crypto literate so that may have skewed the results.

[MWesterweele]

Most, if not all, of my friends who are into online gambling are also into crypto. They're basically gambling using crypto, so the concept of provable fairness is not strange to them. However, I have to admit that many of us are playing in provably fair crypto casinos but do not fully understand the tool. While it is quite easy to use verifiers, it is not as easy to understand how everything works.

People who are in crypto space won't be bother to play any virtual gambling so I guess it's a matter of trust with experience on a certain website. I admit I'm one of those people who don't fully understand the tools maybe because I play on different platforms where the UIs are different from each other. It always makes me laugh whenever I imagine myself explaining to anyone that virtual gambling is just the same as conventional gambling haha.

On the other hand, most of my old-school gambling friends are not even aware of crypto, do not play online, so it is quite pointless to explain to them such an alien thing as provably fair casinos.

Well 70% of my friends are known to crypto so I don't waste time explaining which is which. We are just arguing about the best online casinos in existence

The first time I gamble yes I tried to explain to some of my friend but it seem they are not interested, but those few interested I explain to them about it. Also I only pursue to explain to those who really interested because they can give more time to do gambling without hesitation. And those who want to learn they are possible to do good in gambling and can lessen the loses.

[fullhdpixel]

I once tried to explain how the modern-day gambling is good because of probably fair mechanism but that person ignored my arguments and simply saying that "ball is in their court and they can do whatever they want". It means they are still believing that crypto gambling is just a rigged one regardless of whatever things we are having in the name of probably fair mechanism. I believe we must need more simple things to show them what probably fair things are.

It is not hard for anyone to understand what is probably fair mechanism but those continues losing streaks are still the tricky thing which makes doubting about the probably fair mechanism.

[dunfida]

Do you have any experience trying to explain the virtues of provable fairness to your friends? To be honest, I don't have any other friends that gamble through commercial services so I don't have much experience. But I'd like to know if anyone else has achieved a change of faith with their friends.

So you do basically mean on letting those old traditional gamblers to try out online gambling? When it comes to provably fairness i can say that most of them
are aware of that one.They wont play if they would see it a rigged one.

Here on my country where lottery events do happens live with showing off on how those balls being weighed in to show up fairness and with that
its already a convincing thing for the public to play with it, unless if they dont show off something will really lead to suspicions.

[Japinat]

They won't do into details that is very complicated for them, maybe they will just look at the site's reputation, if there are a lot of gamblers playing without complaints, then they'll go play with the site. Nowadays, with the advent of internet, it's not hard to educate the old school gamblers, if they are interested to know, there's a youtube video that would explain about provably fair.

[Ailmand]

I my self would admit that I am not able to technically understand how to verify hashes on the provably fair system and how it actually works. I won't bother explaining something that I don't fully understand to other people. Honestly, I mostly depend on the reviews on the platform before trying to gamble on it.

[ShowOff]

I my self would admit that I am not able to technically understand how to verify hashes on the provably fair system and how it actually works. I won't bother explaining something that I don't fully understand to other people. Honestly, I mostly depend on the reviews on the platform before trying to gamble on it.

Just like you and most others, I also dont understand how the site is fair for betting players and I would be confused if someone wanted me to explain to them how it was determined. Actually our inability to know this will give gambling sites the opportunity to manipulate and deceive the players so that there will be less wins and they will experience more losses.

For me, every gambler must get a fair play from a gambling site because all gamblers will feel disadvantaged by the site and very vulnerable for gamblers to get losses because gambling sites can manipulate and cheat gamblers without a fair play in gambling.

[maydna]

I don't try to explain about provable fairness to the old-school gamblers or some of my friends because I think that is no use to explain to them. After all, they will not accept the new idea from younger people or other people. They will prefer to use their way of playing gambling, and many of them still playing at the casino because they search the happiness to meet their friends and play together. Perhaps, we can explain provable fairness to new people who already play in the online gambling site so they can learn about that, and I think they will find out more about what they want to know. We know that new people who are playing gambling will have a passion for searching for something that they don't understand until they find more information.

[dothebeats]

I have, and they quite understand that there is an element of trust imposed in a gambling house wherein no physical location is present.

I have reiterated this to my older colleague in the past and told him that if he were to play in a crypto gambling casino, checj whether the games are provably-fair, else he would get ripped off of his money. That guy never touched a single online casino though was keen on learning how a provably-fair gambling game works. He may not have grasped the idea of hashes and checking it but at the least, he didn't impose that trust is the only thing he needs whenever playing for an online gambling casino

Provable fairness is something you won't see on traditional casinos and you can't tell whether a game is rigged. Nonetheless, people flock and lose money there because it is where most people are playing plus the fact that some are accredited by the government, so their notion that they are not going to get ripped off is somewhat false.

[terrate]

I have, and they quite understand that there is an element of trust imposed in a gambling house wherein no physical location is present.

I have reiterated this to my older colleague in the past and told him that if he were to play in a crypto gambling casino, checj whether the games are provably-fair, else he would get ripped off of his money. That guy never touched a single online casino though was keen on learning how a provably-fair gambling game works. He may not have grasped the idea of hashes and checking it but at the least, he didn't impose that trust is the only thing he needs whenever playing for an online gambling casino

Provable fairness is something you won't see on traditional casinos and you can't tell whether a game is rigged. Nonetheless, people flock and lose money there because it is where most people are playing plus the fact that some are accredited by the government, so their notion that they are not going to get ripped off is somewhat false.

That's why if u explain provable fairness to your friend as they always go casino one then will be no sense. This thing only at online crypto casino.
And if u want to explain, u even want to explain crypto, so just let them play the website a while and teach them.
However win many rounds and not go away or place bet with same behavior (example always martingale on big/small) will be big percentage to be rigged off even online casino.
Unless your are big player who want to have big wagered to get rewards etc. 

[bassbity]

For me, every gambler must get a fair play from a gambling site because all gamblers will feel disadvantaged by the site and very vulnerable for gamblers to get losses because gambling sites can manipulate and cheat gamblers without a fair play in gambling.

I think it often happens that many sites often manipulate their own sites to gamble, even I feel playing gambling 2 days in a row but there is no victory even if this can be called manipulation? I think this is unfair for gamblers because they feel aggrieved by it and how to overcome this do we need to leave the gambling site?

Sometimes playing gambling feels cheated because of the injustice of the city so that many players complain about this.
When playing you must feel fair so that many gamblers feel happy with the site.

[Wexnident]

Provably fair is kind of hard to explain to old-school gamblers, one of which is because it is normally unseen by the naked eye. Not only that, gamblers often pick whatever casinos/sites they play on based on reputation/popularity. Probably because the more players there are in a certain casino/gambling site, the more trustworthy the system is the fewer the chances of them being cheated.

There's only a small population really. Gamblers who take the time to look into the inner workings of a virtual casino and the like. Most of the time, gamblers just look up in google "top 10  bla bla bla" and they use whatever comes up. There's also the difficulty of sending the message of HOW provably fair works, cause some mindsets work like " if you know how it works, then why can't you win?" kind of thing.

[Lanatsa]

For me, every gambler must get a fair play from a gambling site because all gamblers will feel disadvantaged by the site and very vulnerable for gamblers to get losses because gambling sites can manipulate and cheat gamblers without a fair play in gambling.

I think it often happens that many sites often manipulate their own sites to gamble, even I feel playing gambling 2 days in a row but there is no victory even if this can be called manipulation? I think this is unfair for gamblers because they feel aggrieved by it and how to overcome this do we need to leave the gambling site?

Sometimes playing gambling feels cheated because of the injustice of the city so that many players complain about this.
When playing you must feel fair so that many gamblers feel happy with the site.

Actually is just really an acceptable loss if you do know that its fair or reasonable like youre making bets which do have some wins but end up on losing the entire balance
rather than on playing which you do experience loss streaks which would really stress you out and you would mind that youve been cheated after wards.This is somewhat
a psychological effect and next would set in is your emotion which is really very hard to control once your mind and emotion collaborates and tending to have a continous
play until you wreck yourself.

[bassbity]

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Actually is just really an acceptable loss if you do know that its fair or reasonable like youre making bets which do have some wins but end up on losing the entire balance
rather than on playing which you do experience loss streaks which would really stress you out and you would mind that youve been cheated after wards.This is somewhat
a psychological effect and next would set in is your emotion which is really very hard to control once your mind and emotion collaborates and tending to have a continous
play until you wreck yourself.

I always control myself every time I play and I want to know after I play all day and I think winning by losing is really unfair because most defeats than victories which finally makes the balance run out big even though I play very carefully in the game that.

I don't know whether this is bad luck or bad luck to my side so that bad luck happens to me and I blame it on the manipulation of the dealer so that the players cannot win properly.

[swogerino]

I think that real old school gamblers who still gamble in shops are not at all familiar with provable fair logic.In fact even many of the regular gamblers who play in well known online casinos are not aware of this tool at their disposal.Even so this needs to be explained in easier ways in the casinos.Most of the casinos offer 3-5 rows of explanation when in reality it needs a whole more than that.

[iamsheikhadil]

I did to a friend and he said how complicated systems are there just to make sure you can gamble with a peace of mind? wow! He said when he gambled he knew the other side was rigging and it was providing him with an extra thrill and fun to which I said how and he said he was testing his luck against the rigging lol. So yeah

[kryptqnick]

Do you have any experience trying to explain the virtues of provable fairness to your friends? To be honest, I don't have any other friends that gamble through commercial services so I don't have much experience. But I'd like to know if anyone else has achieved a change of faith with their friends.

The only friends into gambling I have are into online gambling already, so they're familiar with the concept and don't require an explanation. I think that online gambling is a much safer space than the traditional one, and only one of the reasons for that is provably fair gambling that means that unlike in physical casinos no cheating is possible here. Another reason is that you don't get to people who lose or win money (in person), so it allows avoiding face-to-face conflicts between the winner and the loser. Moreover, casinos are traditionally considered a place full of influential criminals, and mingling with those also doesn't sound like a good idea. I feel alright trying out various online casinos, but I would never even walk into a real one.