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February 28, 2020, 03:56:47 PM
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From the points of business ethics, information must be publicly disclosed which have direct influence on the market. This is normallly done by projects but there are some trades go on which is based on the news yet to be aannounced publicly.
Say, you are an employee of Binance. You know coin X will be listed in Binance after 7 days but this is yet not annouced publicly by neither Binance nor by the project.
We can easily expect that most of the times, Binance listed coins get instant pump and it's possible to get 20% or more even within a day.
Since you know the news before public, you can invest heavily before the news is announced and sell with a higher price when the news come and people jump into it.
This is kind of insider trading but not limited to. I have used an example of unethical behavior from only an employee who can be unethical but it will not be a surprise if a lot of the employees or someone from the projects do it.
This is very risky. You can also figure it our easily. Like, after annoucement just check what was the price changes before the news was publicly announced and try to get the causation of the pump. If there's no other variable having causation, it's certain that it's an insider job and you must not invest into that coin at that time because the price will fall shortly than you can imagine..
As I said, "The altcoin market is more complex than you can think of. You will be scammed which will not look like scam at all and will look everything normal to you."
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February 28, 2020, 04:13:22 PM
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Crypto market is very manipulated, of course people who have access to insider information use it to make money, but I would not advise to trade with insider information because there is always a human factor on the market and each individual trade can have completely different results. As you know, a large asset holder can change the trend at any time, you should not forget about it. 

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February 28, 2020, 04:25:06 PM
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I am not supporting insider trading here because this is both risky and unethical practice. I have tried to make point that you should figure insider trading and shouldn't go with such a coin because the insider will dump on the new investors face.
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February 28, 2020, 04:36:12 PM
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I am not supporting insider trading here because this is both risky and unethical practice. I have tried to make point that you should figure insider trading and shouldn't go with such a coin because the insider will dump on the new investors face.

Absolutely correct, those who have heard such information can testify to that fact that; before some insiders get the needed information(the period of the pump) the real whales have already starts dumping into the hands of the investors. I could vividly remember a discord group which I was a member, they claimed to get insider information for execution but always make us pack the dumped tokens|coins.

The truth about this group is: for you to belong to this set of group you have to subscribe nothing less than 30Bitcoin if not more now. Let us be cautious of the fact that; they are the ones controlling the entire ecosystem of cryptocurrency.

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February 28, 2020, 04:42:50 PM
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From the points of business ethics, information must be publicly disclosed which have direct influence on the market. This is normallly done by projects but there are some trades go on which is based on the news yet to be aannounced publicly.
Say, you are an employee of Binance. You know coin X will be listed in Binance after 7 days but this is yet not annouced publicly by neither Binance nor by the project.
We can easily expect that most of the times, Binance listed coins get instant pump and it's possible to get 20% or more even within a day.
Since you know the news before public, you can invest heavily before the news is announced and sell with a higher price when the news come and people jump into it.
This is kind of insider trading but not limited to. I have used an example of unethical behavior from only an employee who can be unethical but it will not be a surprise if a lot of the employees or someone from the projects do it.
This is very risky. You can also figure it our easily. Like, after annoucement just check what was the price changes before the news was publicly announced and try to get the causation of the pump. If there's no other variable having causation, it's certain that it's an insider job and you must not invest into that coin at that time because the price will fall shortly than you can imagine..
As I said, "The altcoin market is more complex than you can think of. You will be scammed which will not look like scam at all and will look everything normal to you."
This is another good reason to not trade small caps(aka shitcoins) their markets are highly volatile and manipulated.
With large caps you don't have this possibility of insider trading before a listing on a big exchange because they are already listed on all exchanges and their trading volume protects against pumps and dumps from few traders (not against whales though). Small caps are good for gambling, not for trading imo.

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February 28, 2020, 04:56:04 PM
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I've seen lot of listing pump dump game. But the recent Coti listing game looks very shady activity to me. How they pumped this token through inside trading, you can understand by looking at their chart. The team and employees are involved in this activity. They pumped token 300% + before the official listing announcement. I think everyone saw how huge selloff was after the listing. In my opinion, retail investors should not go into this type of risky game.

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March 01, 2020, 06:28:11 AM
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From the points of business ethics, information must be publicly disclosed which have direct influence on the market. This is normallly done by projects but there are some trades go on which is based on the news yet to be aannounced publicly.
Say, you are an employee of Binance. You know coin X will be listed in Binance after 7 days but this is yet not annouced publicly by neither Binance nor by the project.
We can easily expect that most of the times, Binance listed coins get instant pump and it's possible to get 20% or more even within a day.
Since you know the news before public, you can invest heavily before the news is announced and sell with a higher price when the news come and people jump into it.
This is kind of insider trading but not limited to. I have used an example of unethical behavior from only an employee who can be unethical but it will not be a surprise if a lot of the employees or someone from the projects do it.
This is very risky. You can also figure it our easily. Like, after annoucement just check what was the price changes before the news was publicly announced and try to get the causation of the pump. If there's no other variable having causation, it's certain that it's an insider job and you must not invest into that coin at that time because the price will fall shortly than you can imagine..
As I said, "The altcoin market is more complex than you can think of. You will be scammed which will not look like scam at all and will look everything normal to you."
Not just binance, others like Okex and gate used to pump up new listed coins and tokens, if a new project is heading on of these exchanges is a wise risk to follow, it's even better if the project has IEO ongoing

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March 01, 2020, 12:44:06 PM
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Maybe that is really happening in many exchanges, but we can only guess without knowing the truth. Maybe people who know that news before the public will use the opportunity to buy the coins in a large amount. After the coin listed on the exchanges, there is a pump that can lift the price to increase so high. That makes some people who already bought before the announcement will make a huge profit. The pump and dump will always happen in the market, we know that, and we can take part at that moment. But that is true if, at that moment, it will be too risky for us to enter the market because we can get a trap by buying the coin at a higher price. We cannot do anything except follow the coin, or we only watch how high the price can increase.

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March 01, 2020, 07:53:52 PM
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From the points of business ethics, information must be publicly disclosed which have direct influence on the market. This is normallly done by projects but there are some trades go on which is based on the news yet to be aannounced publicly.
Say, you are an employee of Binance. You know coin X will be listed in Binance after 7 days but this is yet not annouced publicly by neither Binance nor by the project.
We can easily expect that most of the times, Binance listed coins get instant pump and it's possible to get 20% or more even within a day.
Since you know the news before public, you can invest heavily before the news is announced and sell with a higher price when the news come and people jump into it.
This is kind of insider trading but not limited to. I have used an example of unethical behavior from only an employee who can be unethical but it will not be a surprise if a lot of the employees or someone from the projects do it.
This is very risky. You can also figure it our easily. Like, after annoucement just check what was the price changes before the news was publicly announced and try to get the causation of the pump. If there's no other variable having causation, it's certain that it's an insider job and you must not invest into that coin at that time because the price will fall shortly than you can imagine..
As I said, "The altcoin market is more complex than you can think of. You will be scammed which will not look like scam at all and will look everything normal to you."
This thing isnt new yet this is already happening on traditional markets where insider infos is there and being manipulative isnt a surprise.How much more into this cryptospace?

Its really plausible for its employees to take advantage into those possibilities since they do know that most of the time there would really be a pump after its listed.

How to stop such thing? You cant and no matter how you identify and minding those possibilities we cant stop those shady acts.They do know their advantage.

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March 01, 2020, 11:31:57 PM
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I haven't heard of this but I think it's actually happening so just don't mind them and ignore if they have insiders. It's also risky if you're the one that's chasing them because they might even give you a false information.

And these are like the signals that these pump and dump groups are boasting of, right?

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March 02, 2020, 12:34:34 PM
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I haven't heard of this but I think it's actually happening so just don't mind them and ignore if they have insiders.
You haven't heard of insider trading? I think it's very common even if you are active in traditional stock market. If you don't know what about insider trading, how come you will ignore that? I think this is very important factor to know for new traders to avoid investing in trash coin.
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March 03, 2020, 06:58:49 AM
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I haven't heard of this but I think it's actually happening so just don't mind them and ignore if they have insiders.
You haven't heard of insider trading? I think it's very common even if you are active in traditional stock market. If you don't know what about insider trading, how come you will ignore that? I think this is very important factor to know for new traders to avoid investing in trash coin.
Even coins with high market cap value are also got umped and dumped by the exchanges itseld to show more trading volume on their exchange which can attract more traders to their exchange.But I am not sure that this insider trading is exists,not every staff may not know everything about their exchange activities so only higher officials can take advantage of it.
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March 03, 2020, 07:13:59 AM
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I haven't heard of this but I think it's actually happening so just don't mind them and ignore if they have insiders.
You haven't heard of insider trading? I think it's very common even if you are active in traditional stock market. If you don't know what about insider trading, how come you will ignore that? I think this is very important factor to know for new traders to avoid investing in trash coin.
Yeah mate, haven't heard of it.

I have heard about insider but it's on gambling, with sports betting. But this thing, I really haven't. As for being a trader, I rely on the news and the global news that affects the market totally.

I don't mind them because I don't invest in new coins.

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March 03, 2020, 05:05:08 PM
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I haven't heard of this but I think it's actually happening so just don't mind them and ignore if they have insiders.
You haven't heard of insider trading? I think it's very common even if you are active in traditional stock market. If you don't know what about insider trading, how come you will ignore that? I think this is very important factor to know for new traders to avoid investing in trash coin.
Yeah mate, haven't heard of it.

I have heard about insider but it's on gambling, with sports betting. But this thing, I really haven't. As for being a trader, I rely on the news and the global news that affects the market totally.

I don't mind them because I don't invest in new coins.
When it comes to possible manipulation then this most likely be applied on some low cap coins but not into those top or established ones.
Manipulation is real and been here or quite common no matter which market you are into.There are informations that do only happen inside
and wont tend to be known in public of course they would really be sue on that but we know its here and its happening.They will surely
do things for their own benefit.

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