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February 28, 2020, 11:01:01 PM
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I'm building a brand new Bitcoin ATM map and maintaining the integrity of the information available with BTMs.
Many pop up overnight and then disappear months later. It's a tough task to map all of them but I've started with all the currently known and operating.

I'd love some feedback and help with maintaining this database if possible.
https://www.bitrawr.com/bitcoin-atms
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February 28, 2020, 11:07:18 PM
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Has anybody actually used one of these ATMs?

Like, what kind of KYC do they require, and what kinds of fees? I've been looking to cash out for some time but I'm not looking to fork over my details or get rekt on fees?

Is there a resource that describes the different kind of ATMs and their fees/KYC checks and such?
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February 28, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
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Has anybody actually used one of these ATMs?

Like, what kind of KYC do they require, and what kinds of fees? I've been looking to cash out for some time but I'm not looking to fork over my details or get rekt on fees?

Is there a resource that describes the different kind of ATMs and their fees/KYC checks and such?

That's a great point. The fees, KYC, and other requirements are set by the BTM provider (GeneralBytes, Lamassu, etc). I'll be updating the map to show live rates and usage requirements.
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February 28, 2020, 11:22:59 PM
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Has anybody actually used one of these ATMs?

Like, what kind of KYC do they require, and what kinds of fees? I've been looking to cash out for some time but I'm not looking to fork over my details or get rekt on fees?

Is there a resource that describes the different kind of ATMs and their fees/KYC checks and such?

 Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID
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February 29, 2020, 12:15:48 AM
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Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID
You gotta give Europe a visit then. Here we have quite a lot of them with no KYC up to a certain sum per tx or no KYC at all. I haven't tried cashing out though, that might be a different story. I have never encountered a KYC situation when buying though.
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February 29, 2020, 12:23:45 AM
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Has anybody actually used one of these ATMs?

Like, what kind of KYC do they require, and what kinds of fees? I've been looking to cash out for some time but I'm not looking to fork over my details or get rekt on fees?

Is there a resource that describes the different kind of ATMs and their fees/KYC checks and such?

 Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID


Yeah, when regulations are as strong it's hard for companies not to follow suit. It's kinda lame bc as a small company it'd be hard to deal with the fees / regulations of multiple states so it can effectively stunt growth.
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February 29, 2020, 12:24:00 AM
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That's a great point. The fees, KYC, and other requirements are set by the BTM provider (GeneralBytes, Lamassu, etc). I'll be updating the map to show live rates and usage requirements.

That's vital in getting people in, and keeping it up to date as well. I'm sure most ATM maps are painfully out of date and none I've seen so far had any info on how they work. It's the difference between wasting a trip and doing business with it for years.
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February 29, 2020, 06:29:46 AM
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Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID
You gotta give Europe a visit then. Here we have quite a lot of them with no KYC up to a certain sum per tx or no KYC at all. I haven't tried cashing out though, that might be a different story. I have never encountered a KYC situation when buying though.

I'm pretty sure that European governments will implement KYC regulations as well.
And by the way,visiting another continent just to use an ATM seems like a pretty stupid idea. Grin

Good work with the ATM map,OP.Now it's time to promote your service and get more people to use it.
I never knew that there are 2 ATMs in my country's capital.Unfortunately I live in the province,so I can't visit the capital every day. Sad

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February 29, 2020, 07:00:16 AM
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I like the idea that you plan to have a trusted Bitcoin ATM map. Is it an application or to access it just visit this link: https://www.bitrawr.com/bitcoin-atms?
Anyway, besides guiding to the Bitcoin ATM, I see that Bitrawr also helps people to find out the best exchanges or trusted wallets. How you can do this? Do you have certain data related to current top exchanges or wallets? Is it accurate enough?

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February 29, 2020, 07:28:13 AM
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Has anybody actually used one of these ATMs?

Like, what kind of KYC do they require, and what kinds of fees? I've been looking to cash out for some time but I'm not looking to fork over my details or get rekt on fees?

Is there a resource that describes the different kind of ATMs and their fees/KYC checks and such?

That's one important question. Though the number of bitcoin ATMs worlwide are increasing, I think very few of those ATMs are really active.
As for me, I haven't used bitcoin ATM up until now even though we have in my area.
I usually transfer it to my bank account or remittance center whenever I want to cash out in fiat.
But this ATM map is useful if you happen to travel and you only have crypto in hand.
But you need to prepare for KYC or other docs, in case they need one.
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February 29, 2020, 04:03:36 PM
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Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID
You gotta give Europe a visit then. Here we have quite a lot of them with no KYC up to a certain sum per tx or no KYC at all. I haven't tried cashing out though, that might be a different story. I have never encountered a KYC situation when buying though.

I'm pretty sure that European governments will implement KYC regulations as well.
And by the way,visiting another continent just to use an ATM seems like a pretty stupid idea. Grin

Good work with the ATM map,OP.Now it's time to promote your service and get more people to use it.
I never knew that there are 2 ATMs in my country's capital.Unfortunately I live in the province,so I can't visit the capital every day. Sad

 The first Bitcoin ATM I used was in Bucharest.  I bought coin and I had to scan my ID.  I had such a desire to try one of these new machines that I overlooked the ID requirements.  Since then, I have approached many machines to check rates and requirements... there are machines that only require a valid phone number up to certain limits (in US and Canada) which is good because KYC hasn't been implemented on phone numbers...yet... but this information is very hard to find online.  It would be nice to know all the information about an ATM without having to travel to it.
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February 29, 2020, 04:21:23 PM
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I'm building a brand new Bitcoin ATM map and maintaining the integrity of the information available with BTMs.
Many pop up overnight and then disappear months later. It's a tough task to map all of them but I've started with all the currently known and operating.

I'd love some feedback and help with maintaining this database if possible.
https://www.bitrawr.com/bitcoin-atms


Nice work.
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February 29, 2020, 05:14:46 PM
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Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID
You gotta give Europe a visit then. Here we have quite a lot of them with no KYC up to a certain sum per tx or no KYC at all. I haven't tried cashing out though, that might be a different story. I have never encountered a KYC situation when buying though.
I havent seen one yet but it looks interesting although it is quite a bit off for me for the reasons you guys are talking to, like the KYC procedure and fees. Also, I havent read here in the forum even a single person to talk about his or her experience using the machine or complain about it. Europe seems to be friendly and early adopters of what is happening today unlike here in Asia, people here are if not religious then superstitious though I respect it. I'm excited about this, if we could just established it as soon as possible.

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February 29, 2020, 07:14:08 PM
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It's possible incentivizing people through Bitcoin rewards by taking pictures of known Bitcoin ATMs in their area on a regular basis for you to know if they are still active or not so that you have a more accurate website on showing of working Bitcoin ATMs. This is more accurate compared to just asking people for feedback on saying that they have a Bitcoin ATM in their area since a picture is enough as a proof that it physicall exist plus you'll have the ability to upload the picture for other website visitors to see. I just had this idea since some apps are already rewarding people with crypto just by taking pictures as their task so it won't really be a big expense on your part in exchange for people knowing that you have the most accurate Bitcoin ATM locator.
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February 29, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
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That is crucial in getting individuals in, and staying up with the latest too. I'm certain most ATM maps are agonizingly obsolete and none I've seen so far had any data on how they work. It's the distinction between squandering an outing and working with it for a considerable length of time.
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Every stinkin' one I've ever encountered in the USA wants some form of ID


I have used a lot that up to a certain $ amount are good with just a phone number (SMS Verification)
With bitlicense in New York and similar things in a few other states yeah, there are more and more that want ID for KYC, but in many areas like Las Vegas no id is needed below a certain amount. Usually around $2k.

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March 01, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
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With bitlicense in New York and similar things in a few other states yeah, there are more and more that want ID for KYC, but in many areas like Las Vegas no id is needed below a certain amount. Usually around $2k.

Is that a daily/weekly/monthly or final limit? $2000 before needing ID is a pretty large sum of money, especially when you can work around that limit by using different ATM's of the same issuer.

Perhaps that the ATM issuer isn't playing by the rules, which is great for those using those ATM's, but might turn out to be a legal nightmare for the issuer. Violating money trasmitter laws isn't something you wan't to be accused of.

I know of a few local ATM's myself, and they aren't that generous unfortunately. The last time I checked you could only purchase €100 worth of Bitcoin without ID, and that's it. You can work around it by using different phone numbers, but the fees just kill this low value 'abuse'.
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Good jobs, I see 4 Asia continent, maybe your map has some bug.

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The fees, KYC, and other requirements are set by the BTM provider (GeneralBytes, Lamassu, etc).
And I would assume that it all depends on what country the ATM is operating in.  In the US, I'm pretty sure no ATM operator can get away with not requiring any KYC.  And as I've written about before, the GeneralBytes machine that I tried to use last year did require a scan of my drivers license.  Some of the machines listed on coinatmradar don't seem to have KYC requirements, but I doubt that's accurate.

I'll be updating the map to show live rates and usage requirements.
That would be awesome if you could keep up with the data.  As you said, some of these machines appear and disappear within a short time frame that maintaining a map of them all must be hard work.  Good luck with the project--I definitely think it's a worthwhile one.

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March 01, 2020, 01:31:46 PM
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Is that a daily/weekly/monthly or final limit? $2000 before needing ID is a pretty large sum of money, especially when you can work around that limit by using different ATM's of the same issuer.

$2000 lifetime per phone number for that entire company.
Here is one of their machines. They all "phone home"
https://coinatmradar.com/bitcoin_atm/9052/bitcoin-atm-bitaccess-las-vegas-golden-gate-casino/

So yeah, if you want to launder a lot of money you can keep getting new phone numbers. There are dozens of machines by 3 of 4 companies and many many many local traders in the area so they have to be competitive. There are probably easier ways if you want to move BTC -> fiat in large amounts.

Not to mention it's Vega$. It's all on camera. Lots of them ;-)

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