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November 26, 2020, 12:36:49 PM
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Thank you for this link LoyceV, it seems you have not lost that super-fast reaction for yours whilst under lock down  Grin


Now with him deleting his posts from this or other threads where he seemed far from apologetic and enjoyed the attention being showered upon him
Let's see: https://loyce.club/archive/details/topic_5229417.html

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November 26, 2020, 01:28:16 PM
Last edit: November 26, 2020, 02:54:27 PM by Gyrsur
 #62

Here I am again.

"Who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)

May those first stand up who suffered financial damage which justifies the negative trust.

Thank you!

EDIT: Furthermore Wasabi Wallet is a decentralized service and the other service is a highly centralized service which you have to trust in. There where times here on this place where everyone was eager to defend decentralization with all its strength. That were the glory times with the right spirit of the idea behind Bitcoin.

EDIT2: and second: give me a prove that the other service is fully trustworthy and not a government honeypot for later usage. I know this might not possible until to reveal the identity of the owner or operator of the service which will be dangerous for them. so again you have to trust them in any case and the deep pockets of them are for me a red light of attention. but everyone should decide for themselves. time will tell probably.

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November 26, 2020, 03:01:36 PM
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EDIT:
EDIT2:
None of this has anything to do with the negative feedback you received. Bitcointalk has never supported plagiarism.

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November 26, 2020, 03:05:15 PM
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EDIT:
EDIT2:
None of this has anything to do with the negative feedback you received. Bitcointalk has never supported plagiarism.

how about the support of inner circles and shady cartels? will you also comment on this so quick as you did before?  Wink

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November 26, 2020, 03:15:02 PM
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After removing you from my ignore list to read what you have to say I was disappointed.

This is getting beyond preposterous now... I mean even to mention or allude to the mafia and the cliques is downright disrespectful. There is no inner-circle and there is no cartel and anyway what has that got to do with you making a complete fool of yourself first for stealing the CM signature and then to play the role of the clown by making sarcastic comments by semi-defending your conduct?


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EDIT2:
None of this has anything to do with the negative feedback you received. Bitcointalk has never supported plagiarism.

how about the support of inner circles and shady cartels? will you also comment on this so quick as you did before?  Wink

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November 26, 2020, 03:20:05 PM
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"an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"   Tongue


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November 26, 2020, 03:33:39 PM
 #67

We clearly see different things from our different vantage points but you can go ahead and revel in your happiness. Now since I wasted a lot of my time with you it is time to add you back where you belong on my ignore list so I can skip past reading your nonsense.








"an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"   Tongue



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November 26, 2020, 03:33:56 PM
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how about the support of inner circles and shady cartels? will you also comment on this so quick as you did before?  Wink
This seems off-topic (and in need of evidence) to me, so no, I won't comment on it here. But I think you missed my point: if you want to argue against negative feedback, at least use the right arguments.
It could be as simple as: "I've removed the fake signature, please consider removing the negative feedback".



I like seeing my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system in your signature Smiley

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November 26, 2020, 03:40:26 PM
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Well he certainly has been leaving some very strange feedback. I wonder why accusations of conspiracies and gangs running this forum are thrown around by people that have run out of actual substance of debate.

Of all the things I thought I would never see in this forum I never thought you would be accused of being involved in some shady business or government honeypot  Grin






how about the support of inner circles and shady cartels? will you also comment on this so quick as you did before?  Wink
This seems off-topic (and in need of evidence) to me, so no, I won't comment on it here. But I think you missed my point: if you want to argue against negative feedback, at least use the right arguments.
It could be as simple as: "I've removed the fake signature, please consider removing the negative feedback".



I like seeing my Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system in your signature Smiley

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November 26, 2020, 04:04:39 PM
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Well he certainly has been leaving some very strange feedback. I
Now I have to leave him neutral feedback for Trust abuse:
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He's not in my Trust network, but it turns out willi9974 put Gyrsur on DT2:
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Trust list for: Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
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Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. o_solo_miner (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sabotag3x (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
I'll also exclude him from my Trust list, and I recommend others to do the same:
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~Gyrsur
Maybe I should wait a bit, he's still on a negative feedback spree. He'll earn way more exclusions if he leaves fake negative feedback while on DT2.

@Gyrsur: if you want to tag all ChipMixer signature campaign participants, let me help you:
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November 26, 2020, 04:07:39 PM
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sorry, this is nothing personal but I have to do this to defend decentralization in the spirit of the early days of Bitcoin.

there is no need of centralized mixer services in these days anymore because better solutions do exist in the meantime. I have to warn the public about the possibility of  being trapped by bad actors.


EDIT:

very nice of you! this helps me to save a lot of time. let us put the Trust system ad absurdum because Bitcoin is trustless in any case.

but remember you started the shooting!  Wink

Well he certainly has been leaving some very strange feedback. I
Now I have to leave him neutral feedback for Trust abuse:
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He's not in my Trust network, but it turns out willi9974 put Gyrsur on DT2:
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Trust list for: Gyrsur (Trust: +1 / =0 / -2) (315 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-11-21_Sat_04.11h)
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Gyrsur's judgement is Trusted by:
1. willi9974 (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 188 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. o_solo_miner (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (239 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. psycodad (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (287 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Gyrsur's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. Removed owlcatz (Trust: +50 / =0 / -1) (419 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
1. DarkStar_ (Trust: +53 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (37) 1476 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. sabotag3x (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (725 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. JollyGood (Trust: +9 / =0 / -1) (798 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
I'll also exclude him from my Trust list, and I recommend others to do the same:
Code:
~Gyrsur
Maybe I should wait a bit, he's still on a negative feedback spree. He'll earn way more exclusions if he leaves fake negative feedback while on DT2.

@Gyrsur: if you want to tag all ChipMixer signature campaign participants, let me help you:
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798
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November 26, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
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but remember you started the shooting!
Don't worry about it, I'm shooting with blanks, following my Beginners Guide (from your signature) so that negative feedback doesn't lose it's meaning. And that's why my feedback means something, while you'll be at DT2 Strength (-10) or lower if you keep abusing the Trust system. Have it your way.

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November 26, 2020, 04:21:21 PM
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but remember you started the shooting!
Don't worry about it, I'm shooting with blanks, following my Beginners Guide (from your signature) so that negative feedback doesn't lose it's meaning. And that's why my feedback means something, while you'll be at DT2 Strength (-10) or lower if you keep abusing the Trust system. Have it your way.

so negative feedback is wrong just neutral feedback?

and did you developed the Trust system or was it theymos? where are the official guidelines?

thank you!

EDIT: with great respect but you've started in 2015?


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November 26, 2020, 04:26:30 PM
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where are the official guidelines?
See:
LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

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November 26, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
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where are the official guidelines?
See:
LoyceV's guide seems reasonable.

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

wow, thank you! we're coming back to the source of all trouble.

EDIT: I suggest we should go back to the original intention for the Trust system by theymos, if you will agree? I did not trade with so much people here.

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November 26, 2020, 04:31:29 PM
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wow, thank you! we're coming back to the source of all trouble.
If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge

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November 26, 2020, 04:34:45 PM
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wow, thank you! we're coming back to the source of all trouble.
If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge

theymos also is wearing the signature? Oh my gosh!

Satoshi? theymos?

I'm confused now.  Grin

EDIT: no, theymos is NOT wearing the signature.

EDIT2: yes, I doubt you be aware of this but there were rumours that theymos could be indeed Satoshi but he did argue in the early days about some concepts and all others disagreed with him. I will search for it.

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November 26, 2020, 04:54:44 PM
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This is getting way out of hand just because a mentally imbalanced individual is chasing shadows. His mental breakdown is synonymous with a user from the Turkish board (who shall not be named) that went berzerk because he was not selected for a particular signature campaign and he also mentioned the mafia and cliques and conspiracy theories.

The user Gyrsur is obviously missing a few proverbial nuts and bolts in the brain, I think you spent enough time on engaging with him so maybe it is time to leave him alone because he thrives when he gets attention.


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If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge

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November 26, 2020, 05:00:35 PM
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EDIT2: and second: give me a prove that the other service is fully trustworthy and not a government honeypot for later usage. I know this might not possible until to reveal the identity of the owner or operator of the service which will be dangerous for them. so again you have to trust them in any case and the deep pockets of them are for me a red light of attention. but everyone should decide for themselves. time will tell probably.
When Chipmixer started they were not giving the highest payment, your argument would have been true if they started as the highest paying mixer. I was part of another mixer campaign and it was paying double what they were paying during that time.

Your convictions might be true but just saying what i know when they started the campaign and if they want to corner the market they would have started with a bang with the highest pay rate since they get government funds Wink.

If you're going to tag theymos, don't forget to tag satoshi too, he's the one who put theymos in charge
When Satoshi left Sirius was the admin and then he handed it to Theymos if i remember correctly Wink .
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November 26, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
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I don't know what kind of offended person tried to shit on my trust, but I immediately react to this with negative feedback for trust abusing and distrust. Another shitty stories about "shady business or government honey pot". Learn to think first, then do. Good luck.

sorry Ratimov! I have deleted my negative Trust on you.

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