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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
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December 13, 2020, 12:14:33 PM |
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Again, still boils down to the arbitration, if the mediator see that and mandated a Fury vs Wilder first, then Joshua vs Fury might wait for a bit. (Fury needs to win against Wilder though).
Promoters should understand that there is huge money and interest that will generate if the Joshua - Fury happens than the Fury Wilder 3, fans especially the British people wants to see who is the greatest British heavyweight boxer and probably the greatest boxer of this generation, so much is at stake on this fight, then the Fury Wilder trilogy. We can't really tell what the arbitration outcome will be. Remember that Fury also have a scheduled fight this December if I'm not mistaken, but it was cancelled and I would assume because they might have pre-empted the arbitration process and Bob Arum knows this. That's why we are not sure if Fury vs AJ will happen first, or if the judge favours Wilder, then we will see a Wilder vs Fury trilogy first before the all British shutdown of Fury vs AJ. Still, a lot of money for Fury on both fights, so it's literally a 'win-win' situation for him.
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December 13, 2020, 12:22:44 PM |
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
We see it the same way, Joshua seems soft compared to the two boxers, a Joshua vs Wilder would be very exciting, but of course since he is a champion, he needs to fight a champion as well and that is Fury, now, if these two will fight soon, it would be interesting to know the betting odds as I'll certainly bet on Fury early.
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December 13, 2020, 01:09:24 PM |
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
We see it the same way, Joshua seems soft compared to the two boxers, a Joshua vs Wilder would be very exciting, but of course since he is a champion, he needs to fight a champion as well and that is Fury, now, if these two will fight soon, it would be interesting to know the betting odds as I'll certainly bet on Fury early. I will reckon that Fury might have a @1.40 odds in the beginning if ever a Fury vs Joshua will happen in the future. Does anyone really think that Pulev has a chance against Joshua here? It's good that there some trash talking during the weigh in, but if you look at the odds, Joshua is clearly the favourite and he did what he needed to do by knocking out Pulev with good uppercut and finished him with the right hand. Now that Joshua wins, Fury and Joshua needs to settle things as to who is the best Heavyweight right now.
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I really don't think so, In my honest opinion I think Anthony Joshua decided to be more conservative and not force the knockout early, he chose to use all his strategies wisely, attacks, and recoveries included.. The match could have been ended earlier if Joshua decided to go full force on Pulev, I believe.. And the match could also have been ended both times when Pulev turned his back (synonymous to walking away) as it usually happen in boxing. All in all, I'm strongly opined that Anthony Joshua does stand more than a chance, be it Wilder or against Fury.
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Hard to argue with your view. Fury will probably punish Joshua first by out boxing him then by knocking him out then by taking all his heavy-weight titles and unifying them all. Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
We see it the same way, Joshua seems soft compared to the two boxers, a Joshua vs Wilder would be very exciting, but of course since he is a champion, he needs to fight a champion as well and that is Fury, now, if these two will fight soon, it would be interesting to know the betting odds as I'll certainly bet on Fury early.
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December 13, 2020, 07:41:13 PM |
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Hard to argue with your view. Fury will probably punish Joshua first by out boxing him then by knocking him out then by taking all his heavy-weight titles and unifying them all.
We cant finalized what will transpire in Joshua vs Fury fight with the way Joshua fought Pulev and I don't know if you aware Joshua learned a massive lesson from his loss to Ruiz Jr. and ever since then his fight move has to do with his opponent.
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On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I am expecting Anthony Joshua to win against Wilder, Anthony Joshua knows to box while Wilder only looks to win the fight by a single punch and Anthony Joshua will be smart enough to avoid that heavy punch and with the excuses he is coming up against his loss against Tyson Fury i doubt whether Wilder will be mentally accepting his flaws as well and Anthony Joshua came back from a defeat and performed well understanding his flaws.
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Outstanding performance by AJ from start to finish. He controlled the fight from the first bell, I hope we soon get the fight everybody wants to see, AJ vs Fury to unify the heavyweight division.
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I dont think that he can even struggle against Wilder, if he would be in same shape as he was in his first fight against Fury. Ruiz showed how not ideal Joshua's defence is, and how he hold punches. Will he be able to hold aggression from Bronze Bomber? Agree, he has zero chances against Fury. He wont outbox him and win on cards, neither he is able to KO Fury.
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December 14, 2020, 09:51:39 AM |
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I dont think that he can even struggle against Wilder, if he would be in same shape as he was in his first fight against Fury. Ruiz showed how not ideal Joshua's defence is, and how he hold punches. Will he be able to hold aggression from Bronze Bomber? Agree, he has zero chances against Fury. He wont outbox him and win on cards, neither he is able to KO Fury. Joshua seems wasn't praise in his fight against Pulev, people are not satisfied with the way he showed that he wasn't so aggressive in the fight. Personally, I think Joshua is still a dangerous fighter but his style if he will not adjust, he might loss against Fury or Wilder.
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I dont think that he can even struggle against Wilder, if he would be in same shape as he was in his first fight against Fury. Ruiz showed how not ideal Joshua's defence is, and how he hold punches. Will he be able to hold aggression from Bronze Bomber? Agree, he has zero chances against Fury. He wont outbox him and win on cards, neither he is able to KO Fury. Joshua seems wasn't praise in his fight against Pulev, people are not satisfied with the way he showed that he wasn't so aggressive in the fight. Personally, I think Joshua is still a dangerous fighter but his style if he will not adjust, he might loss against Fury or Wilder. That's what I noticed too, but you can't blame the fans, it seems like they did not see what they were expecting from Joshua, it was expected that Joshua would finish Pulev early with a KO win, but it didn't happen, it was in the late round where Pulev got knock out, and actually Pulev is not anymore on his prime that's why Joshua had easily dominated him.
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December 14, 2020, 10:42:02 AM |
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Outstanding performance by AJ from start to finish. He controlled the fight from the first bell, I hope we soon get the fight everybody wants to see, AJ vs Fury to unify the heavyweight division.
It wasn't a one sided match, but still Kubrat Pulev was no match for Anthony Joshua. I have a feeling that Tyson Fury would be able to give a tougher challenge to Joshua. But previous attempts to schedule a match between the two ended up with nothing, and right now Fury seems to be quite busy with his trilogy fight against American fighter Deontay Wilder.
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December 14, 2020, 10:49:56 AM |
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I dont think that he can even struggle against Wilder, if he would be in same shape as he was in his first fight against Fury. Ruiz showed how not ideal Joshua's defence is, and how he hold punches. Will he be able to hold aggression from Bronze Bomber? Agree, he has zero chances against Fury. He wont outbox him and win on cards, neither he is able to KO Fury. Joshua seems wasn't praise in his fight against Pulev, people are not satisfied with the way he showed that he wasn't so aggressive in the fight. Personally, I think Joshua is still a dangerous fighter but his style if he will not adjust, he might loss against Fury or Wilder. Joshua has changed since that lose to Andy Ruiz and for me that's the right thing to do. Some said that how can a fighter who was not even impressive on this prime and at old age will be Anthony Joshua but my argument here is that there is always that one lucky punch that can change the outcome of the fight just like the fight between Whyte and Povetkin.
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December 14, 2020, 01:51:08 PM |
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Outstanding performance by AJ from start to finish. He controlled the fight from the first bell, I hope we soon get the fight everybody wants to see, AJ vs Fury to unify the heavyweight division.
If both fighters are not afraid of each other, they will fight, and if promoters would really love big money, they will fight. This is the biggest fight in the heavyweight division next year so it should happen, it's like a Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight, but I'm hoping it's more entertaining.
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December 14, 2020, 05:47:34 PM |
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Again, still boils down to the arbitration, if the mediator see that and mandated a Fury vs Wilder first, then Joshua vs Fury might wait for a bit. (Fury needs to win against Wilder though).
Promoters should understand that there is huge money and interest that will generate if the Joshua - Fury happens than the Fury Wilder 3, fans especially the British people wants to see who is the greatest British heavyweight boxer and probably the greatest boxer of this generation, so much is at stake on this fight, then the Fury Wilder trilogy. If the Wilder trilogy fight doesn't happen before the AJ one then it almost certainly won't happen at all. Fury doesn't want to fight him again and will likely only do so if he's forced to by the courts. His camp argues that the contract is null and void because it expired but Wilder's Camp are claiming it's still valid because of covid meant they couldn't schedule it in time. Now the arbitration courts will have to decide who is in the wrong/right. It's a tricky situation because of covid and whilst Fury is probably in the right as the timeframe to get it done has certainly elapsed the pandemic is an exceptional circumstance so he might still be due it. Personally I think he should do the trilogy fight then move on to AJ later in the year. The AJ fights probably wont go on until they can have full capacity with fans and that might be a while anyway. AJ also might not want to fight straight away. Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
He's been out of the ring for a while so there's the ring rust as they say, but he probably could have taken Pulev down a lot earlier. I'm not sure why he didn't to be honest.
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Joshua has changed since that lose to Andy Ruiz and for me that's the right thing to do. Some said that how can a fighter who was not even impressive on this prime and at old age will be Anthony Joshua but my argument here is that there is always that one lucky punch that can change the outcome of the fight just like the fight between Whyte and Povetkin. That may be true, but most of the gambling sites have Tyson Fury as the favorite in a potential fight between him and Joshua. Joshua's knockout victory against Kubrat Pulev doesn't seems to have changed much. Betfair has Joshua at 11/8, compared to Fury at 4/7, and the odds have remained at this level for the past few weeks. I would rather give equal odds to both the boxers and that means that right now it is more attractive to bet in favor of Joshua.
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Let us not forget it took Joshua 9 rounds to defeat Pulev and he managed to knock him out in the final few seconds of that round. If Pulev managed to stand up the referee would have allowed the fight to continue which means at very earliest Joshua could have won was the 10th.
On current form he would struggle against Wilder and have no chance against Fury.
I dont think that he can even struggle against Wilder, if he would be in same shape as he was in his first fight against Fury. Ruiz showed how not ideal Joshua's defence is, and how he hold punches. Will he be able to hold aggression from Bronze Bomber? Agree, he has zero chances against Fury. He wont outbox him and win on cards, neither he is able to KO Fury. Joshua seems wasn't praise in his fight against Pulev, people are not satisfied with the way he showed that he wasn't so aggressive in the fight. Personally, I think Joshua is still a dangerous fighter but his style if he will not adjust, he might loss against Fury or Wilder. I think boxing media thinks that Joshua will just steam roll on Pulev and the fight shouldn't last for 9 rounds before that knockout. He had him in round 4 on the canvass already if I'm not mistaken and it took another 5 more rounds to finish him. So that's why he didn't get the praise that he was supposed to get in this fight. They think that Joshua is now playing safe and not aggressive enough to go for an early knock down.
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bryant.coleman
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December 15, 2020, 05:34:14 AM |
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I think boxing media thinks that Joshua will just steam roll on Pulev and the fight shouldn't last for 9 rounds before that knockout. He had him in round 4 on the canvass already if I'm not mistaken and it took another 5 more rounds to finish him.
So that's why he didn't get the praise that he was supposed to get in this fight. They think that Joshua is now playing safe and not aggressive enough to go for an early knock down.
Pulev's performance was disappointing, but he wasn't that bad to give a 4th round knockout victory to Anthony Joshua. AJ had to work hard for his win, and it was not a cakewalk. The outcome was more or less certain, as the odds were heavily favoring Joshua. But the next match against Fury will be different, and there he will be the underdog. On top of that Fury is in top form right now.
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Botnake
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December 15, 2020, 10:40:42 AM |
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I think boxing media thinks that Joshua will just steam roll on Pulev and the fight shouldn't last for 9 rounds before that knockout. He had him in round 4 on the canvass already if I'm not mistaken and it took another 5 more rounds to finish him.
So that's why he didn't get the praise that he was supposed to get in this fight. They think that Joshua is now playing safe and not aggressive enough to go for an early knock down.
Pulev's performance was disappointing, but he wasn't that bad to give a 4th round knockout victory to Anthony Joshua. AJ had to work hard for his win, and it was not a cakewalk. The outcome was more or less certain, as the odds were heavily favoring Joshua. But the next match against Fury will be different, and there he will be the underdog. On top of that Fury is in top form right now. It wasn't an intense game for Puleb, he talked so much outside the ring only to get himself knockout inside the right. Pulev try to market the game but people are not happy, they are also expecting that Joshua will win easily and not to take this fight longer. Well, maybe we can consider this fight as a tune up fight for Joshua in this big fight with Fury, but people should already know now who is the better fighter between Fury and Joshua although they both are winners on their previous respective fights.
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