Kawbet belongs to 1xbet/1xbit (known scammers) - Plz support flag!

[efialtis]

Some new crypto bookie named "Kawbet" recently came up and when checking out their website, I (and not just me) immediately noticed a similar website layout/structure/design/wording with 1xbit. 1xbit/1xbet and many more "labels" belong to the same group who have been scamming people for a long time, many bitcointalk members have been scammed but not exclusively - a google search shows how shady that group is.

Being worried, I raised some questions in Kawbet´s ANN, which remained unanswered. I wasnt the only one asking questions and it didnt take long before several people came up claiming their accounts were closed etc. Someone then posted a screenshot when trying to deposit via "bitshares". I have just tried this out myself and well, take a look at the screenshots below. First belongs to Kawbet, second one belongs to 1xbit (thanks tyKiwanuka!)





Memorize your wallet address for payments via BitShares: x1bit

People should be warned and stay away from Kawbet - sooner or later their accounts will be closed and/or withdrawals declined. Its what this group does, they have a record. Kawbet is currently also running a signature campaign here on bitcointalk... (UPDATE: On pause now!)

1xbit has been active on bitcointalk before I even signed up here, they had an ANN and an active 1xbit representative.

Kawbet related threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227494.0 - ANN Thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227812.0 - Signature campaign thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2723342 - Profile link

Some links to interesting threads on 1xbit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5179175.0 (Thread in scam accusations section with lots of info)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=910922 (1xbit representative´s profile link)

If you use search function, you will find many more threads about 1xbit scamming...

Please support my flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1435


Some updates:

- Kawbet hasnt responded yet as to why deposit adresses are matching. I really hope they will do shortly. No answer is also an answer? ...

- Signature campaign has been paused: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227812.msg53981523#msg53981523

- Kawbet opened a thread in their local board asking for support to oppose the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231056.msg53980603#msg53980603

- Unrelated but still unprofessional and forbidden: The Kawbet account also plagiarized from several websites.

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213593.msg53477575#msg53477575

One of the websites the content was taken from and mixed up with stuff from other sites: https://zycrypto.com/the-7-most-important-cryptocurrencies-other-than-bitcoin/

[AB de Royse777]

1xbet is one of the shadiest in the industry. I have a friend who lost money there. They edit their users balance without informing the users. My friend is rich enough that he did not bother for the money but of course he did not like it. I never used them to be honest though.

But apart from the same script, is there anything else that connects this accused site that this belongs to same group? Honestly speaking these days if you know the place to knock then you can get clone of any website. A little customisation will make it fully functional for you. What if the owner of the accused site have used the same script?

Before tagging them and supporting the flag I think we need a a solid connection. Sorry I am on my phone and really can not do much research.

Cheers,

[efialtis]

1xbet is one of the shadiest in the industry. I have a friend who lost money there. They edit their users balance without informing the users. My friend is rich enough that he did not bother for the money but of course he did not like it. I never used them to be honest though.

But apart from the same script, is there anything else that connects this accused site that this belongs to same group? Honestly speaking these days if you know the place to knock then you can get clone of any website. A little customisation will make it fully functional for you. What if the owner of the accused site have used the same script?

Before tagging them and supporting the flag I think we need a a solid connection. Sorry I am on my phone and really can not do much research.

Cheers,

Its quite obvious in this case that we are talking about the very same owners but - the fact that even the payee name is the same when depositing, thats what made me create that thread. Buying some script wouldnt automatically mean that even payment adresses are "similar".

I also know several people who have been scammed by them and thats why something needs to be done about it...

Edit: And guys, yeah, using some white label option bla bla bla - seriously, nobody would use EXACTLY but exactly the same shit lol, especially when its coming from proven scammers, lol.

[AB de Royse777]

Its quite obvious in this case that we are talking about the very same owners but - the fact that even the payee name is the same when depositing, thats what made me create that thread. Buying some script wouldnt automatically mean that even payment adresses are "similar".

I also know several people who have been scammed by them and thats why something needs to be done about it...

You mean those QR codes pointing to the same addrsss? Like I said I am on my phone and if you confirm yes then this is really upsetting.

Edit: And guys, yeah, using some white label option bla bla bla - seriously, nobody would use EXACTLY but exactly the same shit lol, especially when its coming from proven scammers, lol.

There are people who don't not have any clue about what they do. So it's not a big deal for then if they don't know that they are following a scam site.

Anyway, can you please confirm the QR codes pointing to the same address?

Cheers

[TryNinja]

You mean those QR codes pointing to the same addrsss? Like I said I am on my phone and if you confirm yes then this is really upsetting.

-snip-

Anyway, can you please confirm the QR codes pointing to the same address?

No. That would mean that even depositing there would be a scam, which is not the case. Apparently, you can deposit and bet normally, but they just close accounts without any reason and do other shady stuff. My "deposit message" is different from the one from OP.

On a side note, the site is completely garbage in my PC and freezes all the time. Took me a few minutes to be able to confirm the information above.

Edit:

Thats exactly what I mean, they are 100% linked with 1xbit and the whole group...

I thought he was talking about the BTC deposit addresses. The BitShares address/QR is indeed the same on both websites.

[efialtis]

You mean those QR codes pointing to the same addrsss? Like I said I am on my phone and if you confirm yes then this is really upsetting.

-snip-

Anyway, can you please confirm the QR codes pointing to the same address?

No. That would mean that even depositing there would be a scam, which is not the case. Apparently, you can deposit and bet normally, but they just close accounts without any reason and do other shady stuff. My "deposit message" is different from the one from OP.

What he probably meant is that they show the same "x1bit" text when depositing, which completely links them with the other betting website.

On a side note, the site is completely garbage in my PC and freezes all the time. Took me a few minutes to be able to confirm the information above.

Thats exactly what I mean, they are 100% linked with 1xbit and the whole group...

Actually, they are very well set up, their ads are all over the net, I can see them everywhere so they just buy their way out, lol. Still, we should do something against them being promoted on here, too.

[TryNinja]

I just tried to talk with their support team. This is what I got.



Hmm... sounds legit.

[Timelord2067]

Just to play "Devils Advocate" for a moment - aren't there now "out-of-the-box" programs to start up Casinos online?  Just about everything else you can get off the shelf pre-made.  Exchanges can be bought as can plug-ins.

Are there any other connections?

[TryNinja]

Just to play "Devils Advocate" for a moment - aren't there now "out-of-the-box" programs to start up Casinos online?  Just about everything else you can get off the shelf pre-made.  Exchanges can be bought as can plug-ins.

Out-of-the-box programs for cassinos that already come with the competitors deposit address by default? Maybe someone can try to deposit some BitShare to see if the coins are credited.

Even if they are not related, how incompetent you must be to release a casino and let a bunch of coins with the "default addresses" (?) on and only allow BTC deposits when you have a ton of coins there for users to click and try their luck?

[efialtis]

Just to play "Devils Advocate" for a moment - aren't there now "out-of-the-box" programs to start up Casinos online?  Just about everything else you can get off the shelf pre-made.  Exchanges can be bought as can plug-ins.

Out-of-the-box programs for cassinos that already come with the competitors deposit address by default? Maybe someone can try to deposit some BitShare to see if the coins are credited.

THIS... exactly THIS... I knew (I like to think that) right from the beginning they are connected but the same deposit adresses?! Lol... Actually surprised how such professional scammers can be so naive...

[khaled0111]

Here is another one using the same bitshares deposit address:
https://casino-z.com/

edit: there are many more:
https://bet-1xsport.com/
https://lordbetting.com/
https://betwinner.com
https://melbet.com/
https://playwetten.com/
...

[efialtis]

That casino-z looks exactly like them, too, lol. At least they are not being promoted on here if I am not wrong.

As TryNinja also said... I mean, even if I was completely wrong and they werent related (which really feels impossible, lol), what professional company would then act like that?

No no no, way too many red flags and whats most important - funds deposited on any of these sites are risky and for that reason we have to act and do something.

Not sure if all of you guys know that group´s "standard" behaviour but from what I have heard/read, it is not like each and every deposit is lost or so. It´s just that sooner or later your account will be closed and/or (much more important!) your withdrawals will be declined without any legitimate reason.

Nb. That group really seems to be "mafia-style", lol. I could even start a wider discussion as I have been in touch personally with someone - working for them/or even being them?! - here through this forum and they gave me work and I actually saw during that short period of time that so many "labels" are involved. One of the guys in Kawbets ann complaining they are scammers and posting a link to some russian site with a scam accusation against them... that page was full of adverts, adverts of some site called "favbet", which actually also belongs to that group, lol. I can tell that because I did some work for that site just before it launched and before I knew what was going on, who they belong to etc.

[ChuckBuck]

If you have enough evidence and enough confidence that they are scammers, you should tag them correctly so that it links to the flag, in addition, you should also have tags with this user dillpicklechips because the following statements:

Kawbet is 100% legit.

Looks exactly same as 1xbit
Is it a sister site?

Yes, it is. 100%

It must be, identical!

Kawbet is not affiliated with any other betting company

KawBet.com definitely belongs to the 1xbet/1xbit group - 100%, not 95% but 100%!

Why am I saying that? Well, it´s not only that their webdesign, UI etc. is identical, even the wording is the same. Even their push notifications are same, lol. Some would argue that for example using the same odds provider could result in something like this but thats actually not true.

Oh and you know what? The very same has been mentioned on other forums, too - with kawbet not commenting on that.

That group has a large network of online gambling sites, fiat & crypto and is even involved in land based betting shops, running such in Eastern Europe for example.

It was just a matter of time until they launched a new "crypto product" after having fucked up with 1xbit and here they are - now everyone do as you wish but I suggest 1) stay away from that site 2) dont promote such a site

Base with your sig sir, you're just trolling Kawbet.

Kawbet is not connected with 1xbet/1xbit group.

I don't even know the Country Origin of 1xbet.

This guy is definitely a member closely related to this project, if KawBet is a scam he is the defender of fraud, he should be tagged with KawBet  
I would like to add, with the evidence that you give, there is certainly an association between them and x1bit, but the support team says that they don't know about it, it's clearly a stagger. They may be trying to deny it, or support personnel don't know too much about the project, a lack of understanding 

[nutildah]

Best case scenario, Kawbet bought the software pre-configured from 1xbit.
Wost case scenario, they are 1xbit.

Either way, I agree, does not look like an operation that is on the up-and-up.

However, one thing I noticed is that there's a set of noob accounts that have been posting negatively in both the Kawbet and Malubit threads, which all very likely belong to the same person. Here are their names and registration dates (not a single merit between any of them):

nikica99
May 29, 2019, 07:57:14 PM

LEVSKI7
October 03, 2019, 06:04:59 PM

perfectto
February 13, 2020, 02:03:37 PM

ythai91
February 22, 2020, 12:01:25 AM

Here are the accounts they were conversing with that posted only in the Malubet thread, basically backing each other's allegations:

barbaron
October 18, 2017, 07:25:39 AM

radex90
April 29, 2019, 09:21:04 PM

nerdyguy
October 24, 2019, 01:06:20 AM

SSCEZAR
February 12, 2020, 01:04:18 AM

While I'm not excusing the actions of Kawbet and would never deposit there, they are actively being targeted by a farm of anti-sportsbook accounts. Its definitely weird as hell.

[dillpicklechips]

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

[Lauda]

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

You will join the list of flagged people if you do not stop advertising the scam.
Can somebody contact the campaign participants?

[logfiles]

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

Still this doesn't explain why the payment address is the same. If they are different entities then atleast the addresses should be different. Can you call upon the reps of Kawbet to come in here and explain or else you are risking destroying your reputation.

[TalkStar]

Can somebody contact the campaign participants?

Yeah its necessary for campaign participants to know what they are promoting actually. I think OP can send a common PM to all participants including the link of this thread.

Looking forward to see the proper explanation of kawbet team & campaign manager (dillpicklechips).

[Rikafip]

Still this doesn't explain why the payment address is the same. If they are different entities then atleast the addresses should be different. Can you call upon the reps of Kawbet to come in here and explain or else you are risking destroying your reputation.

If this  really is the case, that same address is used in both 1xbet and Kawbet but they just used same template and due negligence same address was left, this is gross incompetence, and I don't know why would someone trust them with their money if they can't do basic things right.

But as i said, that's best case scenario, more realistic one is that both sites are controlled by the same people.

[efialtis]

Here is another one using the same bitshares deposit address:
https://casino-z.com/

edit: there are many more:
https://bet-1xsport.com/
https://lordbetting.com/
https://betwinner.com
https://melbet.com/
https://playwetten.com/
...

When you open bet-1xsport.com you can even see they didnt change the logo and it shows "1xbet"... LOL! Melbet is quite known and no secret they belong to that group. More and more flags...

Best case scenario, Kawbet bought the software pre-configured from 1xbit.
Wost case scenario, they are 1xbit.

Either way, I agree, does not look like an operation that is on the up-and-up.

However, one thing I noticed is that there's a set of noob accounts that have been posting negatively in both the Kawbet and Malubit threads, which all very likely belong to the same person. Here are their names and registration dates (not a single merit between any of them):

snip

While I'm not excusing the actions of Kawbet and would never deposit there, they are actively being targeted by a farm of anti-sportsbook accounts. Its definitely weird as hell.

Yeah, to be fair I was also wondering how come so many noob accounts came up and posting negatively, I still havent figured it out. I can tell they are not mine, lol.

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

Bla bla bla - yes, you said that before, they use the same software. Can you please just explain why even deposit adresses are matching?! Its as simple as that and if you come up with a reasonable explanation, I am the last one not to change my opinion. Even though there are more red flags but one step after another...

Btw... having a look at betb2b´s website, its pretty obvious that betb2b and 1xbet are actually run by the same people. Everything about that group is so shady...

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

You will join the list of flagged people if you do not stop advertising the scam.
Can somebody contact the campaign participants?

Will do a little later today, I ll just pm them with a link to this thread.

Its funny that instead of responding here, the kawbet account has opened a thread in their local board to oppose: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231056.msg53980603#msg53980603

All this really is weird. When doing some research I found that kawbet and some site called pnxbet also belong together and looks like there were some accusations against pnxbet, too. Its strange that both these sites are more directed to Philippines etc. instead of Europe when I have mainly known this group to operate in Europe/Eastern Europe.

@Kawbet One more time - this is not a conspiracy, I am not a person spending his free-time trying to "destroy" anyone because its fun. Its actually not but instead, all this takes time, time that I would rather use doing other things. The problem is that: a) Lots of bitcointalk members were scammed by that group b) I know several people personally who were scammed by that group c) Since I did some "work" for them back in the day, I can tell some weird stuff is going on behind the scenes d) There even is a connection between another user in this forum and that group (the guy who hired me back then) and checking his history here, its getting even more weird...

Unfortunately I dont know how betb2b works and I guess nobody really knows, lol. When buying their "solution", what exactly will they do, will they be in charge of all operational stuff? If so, even working with betb2b should be considered shady, lol.