Kawbet belongs to 1xbet/1xbit (known scammers) - Plz support flag!

[Lauda]

Its funny that instead of responding here, the kawbet account has opened a thread in their local board to oppose: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231056.msg53980603#msg53980603

All this really is weird. When doing some research I found that kawbet and some site called pnxbet also belong together and looks like there were some accusations against pnxbet, too. Its strange that both these sites are more directed to Philippines etc. instead of Europe when I have mainly known this group to operate in Europe/Eastern Europe.

No problem, those that oppose it unjustly can also be tagged swiftly.

Can somebody contact the campaign participants?

Will do a little later today, I ll just pm them with a link to this thread.

Please post about it once you do so. Thanks.

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[tyKiwanuka]

However, one thing I noticed is that there's a set of noob accounts that have been posting negatively in both the Kawbet and Malubit threads, which all very likely belong to the same person. Here are their names and registration dates (not a single merit between any of them): (...)

I noticed that too and it's quite bizarre. Both these threads look like a real shit-show and that alone would turn a lot of people off to play at these sites. So mission accomplished to some extent by these accounts.


I have played a lot at 1xbit, although I always knew about their shady business. The thing is, they will let you play and win for some time and build up trust with it. But there seems to be some threshold after which the modus operandi changes. This is a) when you keep on winning and withdrawing or b) when you start to deposit and stake bigger amounts.

For a) you might get lucky and they will pay you, if the final withdrawal amount isn't too high. If you don't make regular withdrawals and the funds in your account pile up, you might not get paid at all. They will make up some story and refer to their T&C's over and over with bot-ish responses. In the end you are being ignored by their chat and emails remain unanswered, account gets closed at some point.

For b) the end is the same as in a). But this is what they are really looking for imo. They want people to test their site a bit with smallish stakes. People see, that everything runs smooth, deposits/withdrawals are fast, live chat is responsive. The user gets confident enough to deposit bigger amounts. That is the point, where the harassment starts and you are unlikely to get your money back.

In any scenario, winning players are limited very fast (which is ok and standard) and you never feel comfortable with your funds there.

And I expect it to be the same with Kawbet.

For me, the risk-reward ratio was always good enough to keep playing at 1xbit. Up until the point, where they were changing the odds of an accepted betslip to my disadvantage after the match already started. When you can't be sure at what odds your bet will be settled, there is really no point in betting there.

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Same address is just gonna convince one to think xbit and kawbet are just owned by same group of people. Nothing else can be seen unless they can explain how it is possible.

[efialtis]

- Unfortunately still no feedback from Kawbet - especially awaiting an explanation as to why deposit adresses are same...

- They have "paused" signature campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227812.msg53981523#msg53981523

- I was just made aware (thanks for that!) that the Kawbet account also plagiarized from several websites. Even though this does not relate to the topic of this thread at all, I thought you should know.

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213593.msg53477575#msg53477575

One of the websites the content was taken from and mixed up with stuff from other sites: https://zycrypto.com/the-7-most-important-cryptocurrencies-other-than-bitcoin/

[ChuckBuck]

- Unfortunately still no feedback from Kawbet - especially awaiting an explanation as to why deposit adresses are same...

We got it   dillpicklechips maybe a representative of them on this forum, he works on KawBet's ANN and answers most of the issues surrounding it, so we've got KawBet's answer here

Kawbet uses the same software as 1xbit provided by betb2b, this accusation clearly misses the point that different operators handle is turnkey projects.
Clearly these people that are trying to drag down new casino/ sportsbook projects are from the same company/ related projects .

- Unfortunately still no feedback from Kawbet - especially awaiting an explanation as to why deposit adresses are same...
- I was just made aware (thanks for that!) that the Kawbet account also plagiarized from several websites. Even though this does not relate to the topic of this thread at all, I thought you should know.

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213593.msg53477575#msg53477575

One of the websites the content was taken from and mixed up with stuff from other sites: https://zycrypto.com/the-7-most-important-cryptocurrencies-other-than-bitcoin/

It's completely understandable, appropriate for you to post here. OP should be updated this information for more evidence  

[efialtis]

OP updated. Thanks for everybody´s input by the way. I dont wanna bash anyone or any company but we need to make sure no innocent people get scammed - even more so when this is about a gambling operator, where naturally lots of money is at stake...

[KawBet]

if you will analyze the posts, these are all from the same person/group posting negative feedback/anti sportsbook accounts which also gives negative comments to other projects.

Again if kawbet don’t have the concrete reason to ban any player it won’t do so.

On the same bitshares address, this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.  But it doesn’t mean that these sites have the same operators.

[efialtis]

if you will analyze the posts, these are all from the same person/group posting negative feedback/anti sportsbook accounts which also gives negative comments to other projects.

Again if kawbet don’t have the concrete reason to ban any player it won’t do so.

On the same bitshares address, this software is provided by betb2b which also handles other related sites.  But it doesn’t mean that these sites have the same operators.

So what you are saying is:

- Player makes a deposit on kawbet, the funds go to a certain deposit address
- Player makes a deposit on shady 1xbit, the funds go to exactly the same deposit address
- Player makes a deposit on numerous other shady 1xbit labels, the funds go to exactly the same deposit address

And thats just normal and fine, right? You guys just forgot changing it? I mean, man... having your customers deposit to your competitors deposit address? Competitors who happen to be huge scammers. I would really be happy to be wrong but this doesnt make sense. If what you are saying is true, you will now be changing the shown deposit address, wont you? Are you now going to claim those funds back from 1xbit/betb2b or whoever?!

[fudster]

Same address, means they could have just one owner.

It does resemble MALUBIT.com too but I'm not sure. I didn't try to deposit but probably if anyone can confirm it? 
The two Kawbet and Malubit both just came in the forum almost just very recent and they both created threads here within a week. Malubit had a scam accusation where a user weren't able to withdraw his funds.

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The Ripple (XRP) deposit address is also the same as one of 1xBet. 

      

Shared Address

rP1afBEfikTz7hJh2ExCDni9W4Bx1dUMRk

NEM too. This can't be a coincidence.

   

Shared address

NBAPJNCPMLPRB3L76GCMO42XRAG4WKYFWMDULIKM

How hard is it to create different addresses from the said blockchains. I thought it's something easy.
Also, it makes no sense if the would-be competitors are sharing addresses. How are they then able to tell that the different deposits are from different platforms if indeed they are different entities as they claim?

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Also, it makes no sense if the would-be competitors are sharing addresses. How are they then able to tell that the different deposits are from different platforms if indeed they are different entities as they claim?

Thru the message number references?

Deposits without messages/with incorrect messages will be lost!

[LTU_btc]

Well, these same desposit addresses clean all doubts and questions who is who. And Kawbet didn't even bothered to  try defend themselves against accusation, they never replied about it in their thread and they haven't came here to post anything. Seems that they don't care much about it. It reminds me communication of 1Xbet - from what I remember they also never replied to accusations against them and never tried to solve it.

[tyKiwanuka]

Thru the message number references?

Deposits without messages/with incorrect messages will be lost!

Well, yes, this seems to be the case. I just checked and you get different deposit addresses for BTC or ETH (and no messages). So my guess is, that all deposits land on addresses BETB2B is in control of. According to this post, it needs the approval from operators and BETB2B to process a withdrawal. So is it the operator or BETB2B who reguarly scam customers ? Or both working together ?

To solve this, you would need to know, who benefits from scamming. Does the operator only pay a fixed fee to BETB2B ? Is there a fixed percentage of revenue to be given to BETB2B ? The above mentioned post states that you have to pay a commission. So that would mean, that BETB2B has no interest/benefit in scamming people - they will only get their commission anyway.

Now they themselves could just scam their business partners by not approving withdrawals, if they want to make some extra money

Unless Kawbet comes up with some clarification about the conditions of how this whole business model works in detail, we won't get to a conclusion imo.

[dillpicklechips]

Due to current issue KawBet dealing with accusations, management would like to paused our signature campaign for better solution for ongoing problems.

1. You may removed your signature code, avatar and personal text.

I recently see KawBet account received red trust and with due respect i requested a campaign withdrawal, we removed the campaign signature, avatar and personal text, i now convincing all participating  members to remove it all and they already received the payment. I'm hoping for removal of negative feedback in my account.

[Lauda]

Due to current issue KawBet dealing with accusations, management would like to paused our signature campaign for better solution for ongoing problems.

1. You may removed your signature code, avatar and personal text.

I recently see KawBet account received red trust and with due respect i requested a campaign withdrawal, we removed the campaign signature, avatar and personal text, i now convincing all participating  members to remove it all and they already received the payment. I'm hoping for removal of negative feedback in my account.

QFR. Rating removed. Your flag opposition and the unwarranted negative you left to OP need to be removed too.

[efialtis]

Due to current issue KawBet dealing with accusations, management would like to paused our signature campaign for better solution for ongoing problems.

1. You may removed your signature code, avatar and personal text.

I recently see KawBet account received red trust and with due respect i requested a campaign withdrawal, we removed the campaign signature, avatar and personal text, i now convincing all participating  members to remove it all and they already received the payment. I'm hoping for removal of negative feedback in my account.

Lol! And you giving me negative feedback claiming „multiple account user“ to bash casinos? Haha, you guys are so shady. Going to tag you in a few minutes.

Plus how come the sudden change of mind?

[Slow death]

- Kawbet opened a thread in their local board asking for support to oppose the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231056.msg53980603#msg53980603

Kawbet did not bother to defend himself in this thread, but he preferred to go in their local board to ask members to support his flag. That is the attitude of someone who knows they did something wrong and is using other people to defend themselves... These are the things that disgusting politicians do

[AB de Royse777]

Thru the message number references?

Deposits without messages/with incorrect messages will be lost!

I would like to shade some lights in here.
Few months ago I was looking to have a gambling site. Sports-bookies basically. I was wondering how all these sportsbooks offer very similar odds and also control the market like suspending the markets very quickly, how they synchronize it so smoothly and smartly?

Let's talk about suspending a market of a football match. Say there is a match between team A and B. And sportsbook X has this match, offering bets. Now for this match they need a dedicated operator in the back end who will do the inputs to update the results and if this is seconds late then bookies will lose money. So the best bet is to send someone in the ground and s/he will be well decorated with necessary devices. When a goal scores he/she will have to give the input in milliseconds so that market gets suspended and the users in the site can not take advantage of it.

Now imaging for bookie X, who has over few hundreds of matches everyday listed in their website, are they sending few hundreds experts in the every grounds, around the world? No. One can not just afford it.  

So question is, how these bookies do the job and run a business?

I was able to find a service provider. And from the talk what I learnt that all these bookies (Sportsbet, Bet365, Coral, William Hill and everyone else) probably has some service providers. The job of these providers are to give you the interface, the system. Using their API you will design your front end and such things but in the back end everything is the same.

The agent of the service provider who was in contact with me, gave me a demo script that was looking like exactly how bet365 works and they were saying this scrip will cost me $25k and I will have to give them 25% or something of the profits I make. Which means they have all the controls of the script what I do is that I get the frond end that will be provided to me and will do whatever I need to do to make the gambling site (mine) profitable for me.

This entire experience gave me the answer of thinking how all these bookies works together to sync in an event.

There are central service providers, the job of the service providers are to support with all the logistics and everything. Obviously they are the one who controls the industry.

It's like the way an air ticket booking system works or a hotel management system works. You take the data from the service providers and build up your own business.

In the case of Kawbet, I think this is the same happened. The service provider is in control of the money and using the reference, they are paying the bookies who are doing business using their API. In this case it seems Kawbet, 1xbet and some other bookies.

PS: I hope before tagging a business some of us need to know the experience I had when I was looking for a script/service provider. This is the reason for me not to support the flag and not to tag Kawbet yet.

[Harkorede]

In the case of Kawbet, I think this is the same happened. The service provider is in control of the money and using the reference, they are paying the bookies who are doing business using their API. In this case it seems Kawbet, 1xbet and some other bookies.

If per chance this is true, it still does make them look shady as hell because, that means it's the provider calling the most important shots and decide who gets paid or who doesn't. The whole point off this thread is against whoever is/are behind these platforms altogether, and not just the individual platform.

[aioc]

It's like the way an air ticket booking system works or a hotel management system works. You take the data from the service providers and build up your own business.

In the case of Kawbet, I think this is the same happened. The service provider is in control of the money and using the reference, they are paying the bookies who are doing business using their API. In this case it seems Kawbet, 1xbet and some other bookies.

PS: I hope before tagging a business some of us need to know the experience I had when I was looking for a script/service provider. This is the reason for me not to support the flag and not to tag Kawbet yet.

Interesting findings but Kawbet should explain it here if this is the case, I don't know how many of us here know that this is the practice we don't know unless the operator themselves who uses this kind of system will tell us, he needs to get here if he is not guilty to enlighten us.