Forum merit system

[DooMAD]

The solution to the problem is remove the trashy merit system or reduce its purpose to what its design is useful for only: stopping bots ranking up.

There have been many good improvements suggested but of course those abusing the current flawed design for their own selfish gain (most of meta) are going to fight any changes.

This place generally runs as the community wills it to.  The very fact that you have to resort to posting from an alt-account to make it look as though there's more dissent than there really is speaks volumes.

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[bonesjonesreturns]

The solution to the problem is remove the trashy merit system or reduce its purpose to what its design is useful for only: stopping bots ranking up.

There have been many good improvements suggested but of course those abusing the current flawed design for their own selfish gain (most of meta) are going to fight any changes.

This place generally runs as the community wills it to.  The very fact that you have to resort to posting from an alt-account to make it look as though there's more dissent than there really is speaks volumes.

Speculation, conflating community with a handful of scammer supporting dirt bags  
Good post.
Try to make some points that pose some challenges one time please.
Try to debunk the current insoluble problems.
Try to debunk the proposed improvements
Should I bring them?
WO is just another example. Not a special case. Like you say : shitpost is fine it subjective and not moderated.
You seem very afraid of transparent objective standards and people be treated equally? Why?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Don’t feed the troll bones, he’s just looking for a reaction. Everybody knows you’re a highly trusted, respected member of the community.

Losers like that need to get a life. Seriously it’s not worth the time it takes you to respond.

[bones261]

Don’t feed the troll bones, he’s just looking for a reaction. Everybody knows you’re a highly trusted, respected member of the community.

Losers like that need to get a life. Seriously it’s not worth the time it takes you to respond.

You are probably right. I deleted my newest response. However, when a particular troll's user name is somewhat similar to mine, it's hard not to take notice. My last name isn't Jones, though.

[bonesjonesreturns]

Don’t feed the troll bones, he’s just looking for a reaction. Everybody knows you’re a highly trusted, respected member of the community.

Losers like that need to get a life. Seriously it’s not worth the time it takes you to respond.

Thank you for the support.  I will try to stop feeding them LFC Bitcoin.

Please stay on topic. The " everybody  knows" defense is about your limit.

LFC Bitcoin and Micgoosens are probably 2 of the biggest shitposters on this forum and WO thread, I wonder if LFC bitcoin holds the record of 1 or 2 lines speculative guessing and memes. Have a look.  Thousands of them. You would only need view a picture of micgoosens that he splatters all over WO to form a very accurate opinion of his capability  to create a post of value.

LFC Bitcoin does produce reasonably valuable PMs.

WO I think means Women Only. There is a distinctly bitchy vibe when " outsiders" question the true value of that mess.
Waste of board resources. I was going to suggest deleting merits there but just delete the thread. When you see members with huge arrows tattooed down their arms with notice saying  "place beer here " pointing to grubby scribbled on hands giving to da moon bitcoin predictions the damage is done.

@Ibian - you need read more of meta. Many great improvements  have been suggested.
Better to comment once you have researched.

@bones261 stop crying troll without presenting the evidence of trolling.  That's like me calling you a rapist and not bringing evidence.  Present the evidence or refrain from making unsubstantiated  accusations wolfy.

Accept WO thread is a concentrated shitposting dump where lots of merit is cycled around for mass stupidity.
Stop deflecting.

[alani123]

The solution to the problem is remove the trashy merit system or reduce its purpose to what its design is useful for only: stopping bots ranking up.

There have been many good improvements suggested but of course those abusing the current flawed design for their own selfish gain (most of meta) are going to fight any changes.

This place generally runs as the community wills it to.  The very fact that you have to resort to posting from an alt-account to make it look as though there's more dissent than there really is speaks volumes.

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.

Theymos in my very own opinion has a very good sense of what's needed for the forum and does very well in implementing new features and rules. But sometimes it feels like a blind eye is turned to serious complaints that a minority of users care about. And some other times, the opinion of Theymos is regarded too highly even if it's not mandatory to do so. Take his new thoughts on trust ratings for instance. Many users have been quoting this post as if there's authority on trust ratings, even though they were never meant to be regulated.

Anyway, just my two cents. I think the community here is good at following rules, not making them. Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

[DooMAD]

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.
(...)
Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

[JayJuanGee]

WO I think means Women Only. 

You are likely incorrect about that.  Most credible WO posters refer to women in the WO thread as "gal" or some other similar singular referent, which causes me to believe that there might only be one woman participant therein.  Who woulda thunk?   

[bonesjonesreturns]

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.
(...)
Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

Also very scared to debate the improvements that have been suggested many times.

Notice chipmixer, DT and probably merit source. Very positive for him.
Very negative for the entire forum.

This one run away from any challenge to confirm his words. Same for most member in meta. They like "subjectivity" this they can abuse for themselves. As we see merit sources and their mates all get the most merits (from each other ) all believe each other are the most trustworthy and all have all the best sigs.


His saying shitposts on WO getting a ton of merit because it's all subjective and unmoderated. Suchmoons telling merit score is meaningless. Is not really good value for crushing free speech and assisting very cunning and high level scammers impervious to warnings and punishment. With the other host of insoluble problems.
So many negatives could be mitigated with some tweaks.

These people want it as unfair and subjective as possible. It is working nicely for them.
They run from debating improvements. scumbags.

WO thread is just a more obvious abuse but the entire design is abuse because it relies on members acting selflessly

[alani123]

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.
(...)
Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

You could argue that it was created to address coplaints, but it only addressed spam to rank up accounts. It was also long overdue. Outright spam was not addressed for a long time after that too. See how bloated the 'report plagiarism' thread became for instance.

[DooMAD]

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

It has not been "debunked" on even one occasion.  A lone crackpot with schizophrenia has repeatedly expressed an opinion on the matter, but is too much of a chickenshit to do it from their main account.  No one seems to acknowledge their continued butthurt.

DT and probably merit source.

Swing and a miss.  Thanks for playing, though.

[bonesjonesreturns]

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

It has not been "debunked" on even one occasion.  A lone crackpot with schizophrenia has repeatedly expressed an opinion on the matter, but is too much of a chickenshit to do it from their main account.  No one seems to acknowledge their continued butthurt.

DT and probably merit source.

Swing and a miss.  Thanks for playing, though.

Care for a debate just me and you? Or run away?

Yes or No?

I will create the thread?

[bitserve]

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.
(...)
Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

Also very scared to debate the improvements that have been suggested many times.

Notice chipmixer, DT and probably merit source. Very positive for him.
Very negative for the entire forum.

This one run away from any challenge to confirm his words. Same for most member in meta. They like "subjectivity" this they can abuse for themselves.

You should get professional help for your obsessions. Not only you are wasting the time of many others... which it seems it is the lesser of your problems, but you are also wasting your life and whatever mental health you still have left with this trivial and pointless quixotic crusade.

And you all guys are doing him no favour feeding his mental issues each and every time. This must come to a stop. It's not fun anymore. I'm done here.

[bonesjonesreturns]

I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.
(...)
Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

Also very scared to debate the improvements that have been suggested many times.

Notice chipmixer, DT and probably merit source. Very positive for him.
Very negative for the entire forum.

This one run away from any challenge to confirm his words. Same for most member in meta. They like "subjectivity" this they can abuse for themselves.

You should get professional help for your obsessions. Not only you are wasting the time of many others... which it seems it is the lesser of your problems, but you are also wasting your life and whatever mental health you still have left with this trivial and pointless quixotic crusade.

And you all guys are doing him no favour feeding his mental issues each and every time. This must come to a stop. It's not fun anymore. I'm done here.

Throw this dog a merit morsel
WO thread for you please. How did you escape?
Did you not see my challenge ?
Keep dreaming of chip mixer puppy.
The dunces caps you guys have are cute.
Remove the bitcoin begging bowl from your sig son.
I will take a laugh at your WO merit abuse later.

[posi]

OP please forgive me, but I need to take a picture.

Smile!



Feel free to merit abuse me, I don't mind.

I'm definitely not that type and if you know me as a person you'll understand how mature i was. Just created this thread in other to speak my mind after i saw someone claiming what he's not eligible for and i don't think that's offense though.

I have to lock this thread because the conversation is already causing drama among people.