Forum merit system

[Fickle-Friend]

I do not believe the probable majority of merit earned in the WO thread would have a hope in hell of being merited elsewhere

You're an honest gentleman. God bless you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topreplies

[posi]

But merit misuse is so many these days especially in the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion)

I think you have no idea about the WO culture.

I think i am

AFAIK that thread is where the real bitcoiners (to say the least, you may find fudsters there too) are lurking and it is the real thing in this forum. You're complaining that posts there aren't worthy to be merited but have you spent even an hour of your forum hours there and see what they've really got there? If not then you should do. Mind me you'll feel the hatters.

Yes, have spent a lot of time there and sometimes their conversation on there is off-topic and ever someone who's not in their circle there make a right post he's somehow ignored.

You should understand one thing, not every good post is going to be merited yes this is unfair but that is the reality of our world as well not everyone has the same kind of life. So just do what you are doing and let the merits come at you.

Noted

If campaign managers are selecting participants based on merits alone then this is wrong and not much-reputed bitcoin signature campaign managers were doing this.

What actually brings out this subject was a user of this forum that applied for a campaign and expected to be selected due to the amount of merit he earned. I went through his posts, all i can see for almost more than a week duration post was one-liners messages.

what are the forum mods doing about all this?

Nothing.  Awarding merit is not moderated, the mods don't have time or the inclination to deal with that as a headache.  Also, awarding merit is subjective, every one who has received merit can give away their sMerit anyway they wish, within reason.  I'm not a merit source, but I can only assume the same holds true for them.  No body is looking over the merit source's shoulder to make sure they are giving merit to the "right posts."

Then there's this:

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me.

Understood. This is not complain about amount but the purpose of the merit scheme and if we will look at it carefully the merit system which was actually created to improve quality posts have failed.

[gentlemand]

Understood. This is not complain about amount but the purpose of the merit scheme and if we will look at it carefully the merit system which was actually created to improve quality posts have failed.

Disagree. It might often go to the wrong places in the opinions of some but I can tell when someone has a healthy merit count without looking at the score just by the way they write, and the same goes for people who've earned none. The rewards are going to the people who should get them.

It might not improve the quality of the hopeless. There's now enough merited posters for them to read and learn what does attract it.

[Fickle-Friend]

What actually brings out this subject was a user of this forum that applied for a campaign and expected to be selected due to the amount of merit he earned. I went through his posts, all i can see for almost more than a week duration post was one-liners messages.

I've looked at your posts and you're talking about this guy as I understand : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=244243
Well you're right, he seems to only post one liners however he has earned as much as 150+ merits during the last 120days...
... for one liners  

Of course 99% come from the Wall Observing thread  

For example he had received 2 merits for this post :

Another hat I actually want irl. Its my steam picture too.

3 for this one

Put the blockchain in a bag of rice on a radiator.

1 for this one

Plus it will become your favourite subject matter and pop up in every list

Another one for this one

Thanks Yoda

2 for this

Fuck off

4 merits for

Lambo SV

etc etc

The rewards are going to the people who should get them.

It might not improve the quality of the hopeless. There's now enough merited posters for them to read and learn what does attract it.

How do you explain the case above then?

[Last of the V8s]

No one's forgotten how fucking hilarious the Gl0bbster is, but thanks for the reminder.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.

[Fickle-Friend]

No one's forgotten how fucking hilarious the Gl0bbster is, but thanks for the reminder.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.

Very hilarious for sure...  
but what's more hilarious here, is your explanation  

[bullrun2024bro]

I don't get it, I really don't. There are so many people here in the forum complaining about the Merit system every day. Instead of wasting so much time complaining and crying about the "unfair" rules, these people should better spend their time writing meaningful, informative posts and contribute something helpful to the forum. There is absolutely no point in wasting your time creating those "The Merit-System is so unfair, blablabla" threads , you won't change the rules anyway. Better do something useful with your time.

@OP: Why don't you start to check the Wall Observer BTC/USD (Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion) on a regular basis and try to post something there? I am pretty sure you will understand the dynamic of the thread sooner or later and your posts will get merited if they are good.

[hugeblack]

Signatures do not appear in the wall, so many campaign managers ignore “no-payment” for posts in that section, and most of the Merits that go to that section are people who like publishing (not forced paid posts.)

Secondly: I think that users are free to how them sMerits are distributed "especially those that they acquired" @theymos was not strict in exchanging Merits between alternative accounts, so unless there is any abuse from a Merit source, your grievance will not be valuable.

[xhomerx10]

No one's forgotten how fucking hilarious the Gl0bbster is, but thanks for the reminder.
Perhaps when you little twats grow up you'll be able to follow along.

 That's what I'm talkin' about!
Last of the V8s for mayor!!

[Fickle-Friend]

Signatures do not appear in the wall, so many campaign managers ignore “no-payment” for posts in that section, and most of the Merits that go to that section are people who like publishing (not forced paid posts.)

BS, in the other sections where signatures are hidden (like Serious Discussion, Ivory Tower, etc) shitposts are not merited like that.
Over the forum many users don't wear signatures or paid signatures and fortunately, they don't receive merits just because they post for free, moreover many sections are excluded from campaigns and we don't see those merit abuses there.

Secondly: I think that users are free to how them sMerits are distributed "especially those that they acquired" @theymos was not strict in exchanging Merits between alternative accounts, so unless there is any abuse from a Merit source, your grievance will not be valuable.

Wrong. Shitpost is prohibited by the rules, but you reward it in your Wall observing thread.

[acroman08]

I think MODs probably already expected something like this would happen(or maybe not) and they probably can't do much about it. but the fact that the post quality increased after implementing the merit system because you need merit in order to rank up suggests that the purpose of the merit system succeeded. and I think some post being over merited is acceptable than thousands of shitty poster ranking up without any effort(just like before the merit system was implemented).

[Pmalek]

Didn't theymos say himself that if someone has a problem with merit distribution they can go to him directly. Everyone who complains about the distribution of merits in the WO thread just share your concerns with the forum admin. This thread is going nowhere and it is not going to change anything and why would it!?!

You are free to merit anyone and anything you like as long as it doesn't involve trading, selling, coordinating merit distribution. Let the WO folks do what they want, it's not anyone's business.       

[Ibian]

OP: No merit for you! No merit for your family, no merit for your cow!

[Cryptotourist]

OP please forgive me, but I need to make a picture.

Smile!



Feel free to merit abuse me, I don't mind.

[bitserve]

[Fickle-Friend]

What is your solution to the "problem" then? Let's hear it.

This thread doesn't need to have half a dozen merit sources almost fully dedicated to it, that's not obvious for you?

[nutildah]

What is your solution to the "problem" then? Let's hear it.

This thread doesn't need to have half a dozen merit sources almost fully dedicated to it, that's not obvious for you?

So what is your solution? You want to take source merits away from them? Why? Less source merits = less received merits = less sMerits in circulation = less chance of lower rank accounts getting merited. It's basic merit-nomics.

If you really feel strongly about it, I guess you'll have to PM theymos, since nobody can change the system except for him -- nor does anybody else want to.

[Ibian]

These kinds of people don't have any solutions. They just like to complain, and hope that someone not them gets tired of their whining and does something. Which is why their cows get no merits.

Calling all of you out. Explain why this is a big enough problem to bother anyone who can actually do a thing, and propose something better. Betcha not one of you can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCzmOknrN70

[DooMAD]

Secondly: I think that users are free to how them sMerits are distributed "especially those that they acquired" @theymos was not strict in exchanging Merits between alternative accounts, so unless there is any abuse from a Merit source, your grievance will not be valuable.

Wrong. Shitpost is prohibited by the rules, but you reward it in your Wall observing thread.

It sounds like you still don't "get" WO.  It's the closest thing the forums have to an informal chatroom, so it's not held to the same standards as the rest of the board.  Everything that needed doing was done ~3 years ago.  If you want the full history lesson, these topics, in this order, should be all the reading material you need in order to understand:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1990962.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1993570.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2004227.0

Alternatively, if that's too much to sift through, the short version is that, rather than discouraging users from making off topic posts in WO, users are now discouraged from reporting off topic posts in WO because the moderators don't want to deal with the additional workload it was generating.  Ergo, off topic posts (within reason) are permitted in WO.

As for your gripes about merit for "shitposts", the simple fact is that merit awarding is subjective and you don't get to determine other users' criteria for handing them out.  If they find these posts entertaining, they are free to merit them.

[bonesjonesreturns]

bitchy alt account bitching behind alt account

What is your solution to the "problem" then? Let's hear it.

Perhaps concentrate on improving your own posts instead of worrying about the inequality of merit dispersion.

He didn't get accepted to the campaign he applied for, so I don't understand what the problem is.

Obviously merits aren't an end-all, be-all standard for acceptance into signature campaigns. As it should be.

Since they (merits) are currently undeniably subjective, gamed and meaningless crap, That also undeniably cause all of the other insoluble problems nobody has refuted time and time again when discussed.

Then the solution to the problem is removed the trashy merit system or reduce its purpose to what its design is useful for only: stop  bots ranking up. This worthless metric has no business being conflated  with trust or post quality. Campaign managers must have transparent objective standards to measure candidate against them.

There have been many good improvements suggested to both the merit and trust designs, of course those abusing the current flawed design for their own selfish gain (most of meta) are going to fight any changes.

Doomed clearly acknowledges there is zero objective or reliable credible value to this garbage and yet Theymos thinks you can built the entire forum on it ? Imagine a tiny tiny subset only gives most of it out and they themselves receive the most, they themselfs can vote each other on DT and they can have all best sigs and revenue positions. Hey the " community" of meta where all merit source, dt, and best signs say its brilliant. Wow why they take this view? So weird?

For Bones261 whilst you are openly supporting scammers I will consider you very open to my legitimate criticism. One should expect to be criticized for supporting scammers.