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March 08, 2020, 03:53:31 PM
Last edit: March 15, 2020, 12:05:03 AM by snarfbag
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I purchased several Binary Bulls last year and gave them out as gifts. One particular coin, I loaded with extra Bitcoin to total 0.015 BTC and gave it to a family member. I just noticed it was swept on Feb 20th, and replaced with 0.001 BTC about 5 minutes later in a separate transaction.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Lh975rtt1RwDJ1SHGX8mn1iHwe7kaVfMQ

I asked them to send me a picture today that the coin is indeed not peeled and I verified the address as matching. I also just peeled both my personal Binary Bull and Binary Eagle coins and there are no private keys underneath the holograms. I peeled my personal Eagle and Bull coins. Very hard to peel, I swept the Eagle coin fine, but the Bull coin's private key is not in any known format that I can convert to WIF.

Gifted coin: https://imgur.com/sQnA0YO
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March 08, 2020, 04:06:00 PM
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I purchased several Binary Bulls last year and gave them out as gifts. One particular coin, I loaded with extra Bitcoin to total 0.015 BTC and gave it to a family member. I just noticed it was swept on Feb 20th, and replaced with 0.001 BTC about 5 minutes later in a separate transaction.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Lh975rtt1RwDJ1SHGX8mn1iHwe7kaVfMQ

I asked them to send me a picture today that the coin is indeed not peeled and I verified the address as matching. I also just peeled both my personal Binary Bull and Binary Eagle coins and there are no private keys underneath the holograms.

Gifted coin: https://imgur.com/sQnA0YO

Please post picture of the most current newspaper that display a date, along with the coin in question showing the intact hologram.

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March 08, 2020, 04:06:31 PM
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Can you provide a photo of the gifted coin (with the public address 1Lh975rtt1RwDJ1SHGX8mn1iHwe7kaVfMQ) next to a piece of paper with your user name and a recent block number and hash?  Without that it is impossible to know the coin was not peeled and private key revealed.

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March 08, 2020, 04:08:24 PM
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Also, where did you buy these coins?

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March 08, 2020, 04:15:34 PM
Last edit: March 15, 2020, 12:07:32 AM by snarfbag
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Can you provide a photo of the gifted coin (with the public address 1Lh975rtt1RwDJ1SHGX8mn1iHwe7kaVfMQ) next to a piece of paper with your user name and a recent block number and hash?  Without that it is impossible to know the coin was not peeled and private key revealed.

They don't get the paper. I'm going to go pick up the coin soon, but they're over an hour away. I offered to replace it with something else since this is a crappy deal.

Here is a photo of my Eagle and Bull peeled. Nothing under those holograms but sticker residue: https://i.imgur.com/sHtdv5W

Edit: The holograms do peel as intended, but Bull has what appears to be a fake private key.
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March 08, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
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Also, where did you buy these coins?

My Binary Eagle I bought in Nov 2017 from an eBay seller. I bought a Binary Bull in October on eBay from powercoin_it as a pre-order and it was shipped in Nov 2019. I bought 2 more Binary Bulls from Lesbian Cow on the forum here on Nov 2019.
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March 08, 2020, 04:20:51 PM
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Can you share the public address for both of those coins that you claim only have sticker residue?
Sorry, don’t mean to overload you but just trying to get to the bottom of this!


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March 08, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
Last edit: March 14, 2024, 12:47:15 AM by snarfbag
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Can you share the public address for both of those coins that you claim only have sticker residue?
Sorry, don’t mean to overload you but just trying to get to the bottom of this!



here is the Bull: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/13NgxJBSk2bwWd2W4cr4XQqNNQTmyoCM4a (Invalid private key, unable to sweep)

Edit: Both of these came in the leatherette boxes with COAs.
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March 08, 2020, 04:25:13 PM
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March 08, 2020, 04:38:10 PM
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i keep saying... the safest thing to do is to buy all the coins/cold wallets from a trustworthy user here in forum.
and there are a lot of them

we all learn from our mistakes

One of these two was purchased from a trusted member, and l would buy from that member again in a heartbeat. This is a scam from the creator and no blame lies on this forum.
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March 08, 2020, 06:22:55 PM
Merited by buckrogers (1), ChiBitCTy (1), Heisenberg_Hunter (1), bill gator (1)
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Here is a photo of my Eagle and Bull peeled. Nothing under those holograms but sticker residue:



Unfortunately snarfbag, I have a touch of bad news.... the Sol Noctis holograms are just terrible.  They are a sticker first off with the private key printed on it and the hologram is the top part of the sticker.  Hence, you have overpeeled.  If you still have the stickers you took off in one piece, you should be able to carefully separate them.

This is the hologram peeled away from the sticker:







This is the unfortunate overpeel:




I can't make a statement on the missing funds until I see the hologram in tact on that specific coin.

Hopefully this helps in some way.  Interested to see the coin you are picking up.
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March 08, 2020, 08:05:33 PM
Last edit: March 08, 2020, 10:00:11 PM by snarfbag
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I have the holograms for mine still so I will see if they do separate further. I don't know if I can get the gifted coin today, but I trust my father that it's not peeled.

Edit: Thanks to anonymousminer, the holograms do in fact just suck. Eagle private key is standard mini format, and I'm not sure what format the Bull is using yet. I'll update again when I get my hands on the gifted Bull coin.
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March 09, 2020, 01:47:42 AM
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And I was jewishly expecting to see those coins for cheap now, even if scam they do look great and should of still been silver, lol. Glad to see it was just a mistake Smiley.

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March 11, 2020, 07:43:30 AM
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i keep saying... the safest thing to do is to buy all the coins/cold wallets from a trustworthy user here in forum.
and there are a lot of them

we all learn from our mistakes

Satori coin is one of the most trusted collectibles out there by far and they/Moto never stepped foot in here. It’s more so do you know who’s behind the project, their name and roughly their location. If they are a registered business are they registered in the British Virgin Islands and domiciled in Dubai or are they established legitimately.  Plenty of scammers have come and gone from here.

Microsoul is a great example. Everybody thought gravitate was a trusted user at some point. Now look where he/Microsoul is at :|.
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March 11, 2020, 07:58:43 AM
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following the chain back, a lot of their 0.001 deposits (edit: at least 20 I checked) are untouched.

Of course none of those coins had extra BTC loaded.

Have you been able to physically verify the unpeeled hologram yet snarfbag.
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March 11, 2020, 08:50:42 AM
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i keep saying... the safest thing to do is to buy all the coins/cold wallets from a trustworthy user here in forum.
and there are a lot of them

we all learn from our mistakes

Satori coin is one of the most trusted collectibles out there by far and they/Moto never stepped foot in here. It’s more so do you know who’s behind the project, their name and roughly their location. If they are a registered business are they registered in the British Virgin Islands and domiciled in Dubai or are they established legitimately. Plenty of scammers have come and gone from here.

Microsoul is a great example. Everybody thought gravitate was a trusted user at some point. Now look where he/Microsoul is at :|.

I am not sure Gravitate planned to scam from the beginning.
Mainly because he very early published is own dox.

However, makers like ALITIN COINS was planning this from the beginning, this was a constructed scam, slowly building trust, then they they just sailed away into the horizont with all the corns.

Cryptography is one of the few things you can truly trust.
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March 11, 2020, 10:53:25 PM
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following the chain back, a lot of their 0.001 deposits (edit: at least 20 I checked) are untouched.

Of course none of those coins had extra BTC loaded.

Have you been able to physically verify the unpeeled hologram yet snarfbag.

I'm having the coin shipped to me since I can't go pick it up any time sooner. I did peel my Bull coin and the private is not in a format that makes any sense to be able to convert to WIF. It's 44 characters and does not match Base64 so I have not been able to find any method of sweeping it. By comparison, the Eagle coin was a simple mini format and I was able to convert to WIF and sweep it no problem.
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March 14, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
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I received the coin in the mail yesterday and took some pictures a few moments ago. I don't receive newspapers, but let me know what other hoops I can jump through to prove this Bull coin is a scam.





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well fuck. Photo looks legit to me.
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