Does anyone pay for slandering gambling websites on Bitcointalk?

[Quidat]

there would really be a time that they would either hire someone just to mess up other sites or business reputation.Its true that all things will be believable if
theres a proof but if not then its just normal for its members to ignore it up.

And that's what I don't understand if ever there is an attempt to take down the reputation of the site.

They will pay for someone but unable to show valid and legit proofs, what's the sense.

They are just wasting their money.

If we think logically and sensibly then its totally nonsense on how other businesses do consider such act?

They're paying into something which can be easily ignore by the masses as long they can able to provide proofs.

Or they are just simply hoping for damages to other competition with that money allocated no matter what would be the
result they dont really care at all.

[TheGreatPython]

I know and strongly believe there are such activities going on and there is no way you can identity who is behind all this crap so nothing we can do about it. But on a flip side of this whenever such scam reports are made the casino also gains some extra popularity because they reach more gamblers and once they are proven innocent there is even more faith in the casino and I sometimes wonder if casinos pay people to make scam report against them and later prove that they are legit which will bring more trust to them and more solidity in the market.

This can be done both ways, there might be casinos paying to slander other casinos or they might be paying to slander their own casino just to prove themselves innocent and later gain more popularity and market trust.

[ethereumhunter]

This is indeed happening in real life and thats why it isnt surprising to see this also in online world.Due to competition into gambling industry or any other business irl
there would really be a time that they would either hire someone just to mess up other sites or business reputation.Its true that all things will be believable if
theres a proof but if not then its just normal for its members to ignore it up.

Due to competition it isnt really surprising

Because of reputations, many companies or websites will try to destroy their competitor so they can get the benefit by getting more members that will come to them. Maybe each company or website will have a way to prevent that such thing by applies different strategies, and I am sure that the lousy competitor will not stay for a long time because people will see the truth, and people can select what they want.

[South Park]

there would really be a time that they would either hire someone just to mess up other sites or business reputation.Its true that all things will be believable if
theres a proof but if not then its just normal for its members to ignore it up.

And that's what I don't understand if ever there is an attempt to take down the reputation of the site.

They will pay for someone but unable to show valid and legit proofs, what's the sense.

They are just wasting their money.

Most people do not really take the time to analyze the evidence right in front of them, even if the accusations made by people are proven to be false many are going to continue to believe them, this is why in political campaigns the one that is below in the preferences from the voters always says bad things about the person at the top instead of talking about his own proposals, even if what he is saying are lies people will think there is some truth to it and will change their vote.

[Becky666]

In my opinion NO: reason be that, many forum members who are into scam bursting are good reputable members on the forum and not just an ordinary member on the forum. Also, scam bursting are mainly targeted with projects that looks scamming and full of questionable activities. So, being a victim of this scam bursting means that; you're not genuine and you're not real in your service delivery. Scam bursting is not targeted to gambling platforms alone but also extended to cryptocurrency exchanges or other services across other platforms. Nobody to me seem to be paid to slander anybody on the forum, they're just doing the right thing with the right mindset.

[Kemarit]

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

Online gambling casinos is a niche, it is a cut-throat business so there's a possibility that some casino will slander their competition to shoot them down. Just to be fair, this has been practice in many businesses, a simply black-hat SEO can sandbox a competition website.

However, there could be legitimate claims, i.e casino not paying specially for big amounts, TOS suddenly change etc. There should be evidence from the accuser and the casino should respond as based on the accusations.

[stomachgrowls]

there would really be a time that they would either hire someone just to mess up other sites or business reputation.Its true that all things will be believable if
theres a proof but if not then its just normal for its members to ignore it up.

And that's what I don't understand if ever there is an attempt to take down the reputation of the site.

They will pay for someone but unable to show valid and legit proofs, what's the sense.

They are just wasting their money.

Most people do not really take the time to analyze the evidence right in front of them, even if the accusations made by people are proven to be false many are going to continue to believe them, this is why in political campaigns the one that is below in the preferences from the voters always says bad things about the person at the top instead of talking about his own proposals, even if what he is saying are lies people will think there is some truth to it and will change their vote.

Political campaigns and this slandering websites might have similarities but we can eventually check it out on our own and verify if these accusations were true or not.
Pretty sure that this thing do exist specially on business world where some of them do really pays up some individual to mess up other competitions reputation.
As said above that why they would need to waste money if people can verify it anytime if accusations were true or just simply trying to mess up?
You do have some point that some people tend to believe directly without minding on verifying it first but thankfully there are lots of people can do such thing
and inform other people about the issue which either be true or not.

[TopT3ns]

In my opinion NO: reason be that, many forum members who are into scam bursting are good reputable members on the forum and not just an ordinary member on the forum. Also, scam bursting are mainly targeted with projects that looks scamming and full of questionable activities. So, being a victim of this scam bursting means that; you're not genuine and you're not real in your service delivery. Scam bursting is not targeted to gambling platforms alone but also extended to cryptocurrency exchanges or other services across other platforms. Nobody to me seem to be paid to slander anybody on the forum, they're just doing the right thing with the right mindset.

well, I totally agree with what you say because this forum has become a very large forum so I don't think it's possible if someone makes this forum name corrupt, here many cryptocurrency are discussed and developed, although there are a number of sections discussing gambling it's not too have problems.

[Kasabus]

I believe there are gambling sites who pays people to destroy their competitor.

The logic is very simple, when your competitor goes down, you are likely to go up, so they'll invest for that while they also continue their aggressive marketing to retain old clients and to attract the new.

It's hard to determine if people are paid or not to slander a certain gambling site, but I believe its happening.

[Bezobraznike]

I believe there are gambling sites who pays people to destroy their competitor.

The logic is very simple, when your competitor goes down, you are likely to go up, so they'll invest for that while they also continue their aggressive marketing to retain old clients and to attract the new.

It's hard to determine if people are paid or not to slander a certain gambling site, but I believe its happening.

   I agree with you Kasabus! It's hard to prove slandering, we can't tell is there a transaction between certain gambling site and a
slander, what we can do is just to assume what is truth. Slanders here are mostly newbies, without many posts, without any
reputation, and when I see a post from newbie I am suspicious about their words. And what we usually see are just the words. There
are no pictures, or other proves, just their words.
   I am sure this is happening not just with gambling sites. This is one of the reasons why we need to be careful and not believe in
everything we read!

[aioc]

We still have no valid proof that this thing is happening but those complaints by newbies some of them are valid and the proof is on the scam section, so many accusations are valid and there are many sites that are exposed because of this complaints, some of this newbies maybe an alt account and just to protect their main account here.

[Janation]

Some users as far as I know experienced bad things in a site and that is the reason they are doing it.

With a lot of users slandering other sites, I think it is a grudge of what happened in the past. I don't know if owners of sites are really paying them or maybe owners or co-owners are doing it all we know is the reputation that site has is being stepped on. We could just based that on the reputation that the site has since there are only a few sites that you could trust.

[South Park]

Most people do not really take the time to analyze the evidence right in front of them, even if the accusations made by people are proven to be false many are going to continue to believe them, this is why in political campaigns the one that is below in the preferences from the voters always says bad things about the person at the top instead of talking about his own proposals, even if what he is saying are lies people will think there is some truth to it and will change their vote.

Political campaigns and this slandering websites might have similarities but we can eventually check it out on our own and verify if these accusations were true or not.
Pretty sure that this thing do exist specially on business world where some of them do really pays up some individual to mess up other competitions reputation.
As said above that why they would need to waste money if people can verify it anytime if accusations were true or just simply trying to mess up?
You do have some point that some people tend to believe directly without minding on verifying it first but thankfully there are lots of people can do such thing
and inform other people about the issue which either be true or not.

From our perspective it may not be worth it and it could be a waste of time and money but casinos make a lot of money, even if the accusation is eventually proven to be false it could still affect the casino that is being accused and increment the market share of the casino behind the accusations, obviously it is a very low tactic and anyone doing this or even thinking of doing it is not worth of being trusted but even if I do not believe it is a tactic commonly used it would be naive to think it is not used from time to time.

[Latviand]

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

Obviously yes, as a frequent visitor to reputation and scam accusation board, sometimes when I read some accusations towards specific gambling site, without much investigate you'll notice the accusations are been forged. Mostly the rank engaging in this acts are newly created account then their main account of the accomplice are used to support their claims.

Things like this happens in the business world outside the forum therefore the forum can't be excepted, it's considered a dirty business strategy to win over their competitors by painting them (their reputation) bad.

But in terms of those newbies, try also to observe their profiles if their posts are reliable or dodgy. It is true that those slandering are paid by someone to destroy the reputation of other gambling websites so that they will take advantage in having more customers. For me, looking for better gambling website should be based on its reviews and feedback of the customers and not on those people that have no proof of their false statements. This bad strategy will not work on those people who are intelligent and wise enough because we know the difference between the facts and unreal information. By doing that, you're not ruining the other competitor's gambling website, but you are just ruining your own reputation just for the sake of money.

[carlfebz2]

In several threads in the gambling section, I noticed "Newbie" accounts that try to slander the name of the gambling website in any possible way.
Some often sounds very trustworthy - they certainly have experience.
Do you also think that competitors pays for slandering?

Obviously yes, as a frequent visitor to reputation and scam accusation board, sometimes when I read some accusations towards specific gambling site, without much investigate you'll notice the accusations are been forged. Mostly the rank engaging in this acts are newly created account then their main account of the accomplice are used to support their claims.

Things like this happens in the business world outside the forum therefore the forum can't be excepted, it's considered a dirty business strategy to win over their competitors by painting them (their reputation) bad.

But in terms of those newbies, try also to observe their profiles if their posts are reliable or dodgy. It is true that those slandering are paid by someone to destroy the reputation of other gambling websites so that they will take advantage in having more customers. For me, looking for better gambling website should be based on its reviews and feedback of the customers and not on those people that have no proof of their false statements. This bad strategy will not work on those people who are intelligent and wise enough because we know the difference between the facts and unreal information. By doing that, you're not ruining the other competitor's gambling website, but you are just ruining your own reputation just for the sake of money.

Nothing wont be ruined yet we know that most complainant are newbies and even they do tell false things it wouldnt really matter much even if they've been painted by red since
those accounts wont really have value at all and their main goal or target is to spread out false info into its competitor.

People arent really that dumb to believe on things easily yet we do have our own will and common sense to differentiate which one is real and which one is fake.
Most people tell that its a non-sense thing to be done but those things do actually exist.

[pixie85]

We still have no valid proof that this thing is happening but those complaints by newbies some of them are valid and the proof is on the scam section, so many accusations are valid and there are many sites that are exposed because of this complaints, some of this newbies maybe an alt account and just to protect their main account here.

If they are complaining without proof it's safe to say their opinions are untrue. You have to be smart about these things and spot trolls. I don't think the reputation of a site will suffer if a few newbie accounts say some made up stories on a bitcoin forum.

Give me an example of a site that went out of business because an army of troll accounts destroyed them. You won't find any.
If a site is fair it's not going to get slandered into oblivion.

[Sadlife]

It's possible considering the number of competition of gambling site, it's really unavoidable if someone tries to defame someone but also really hard to prove if someone is really paid to ruin one's reputation.
But if that gambling site has an ANN thread they could actually defend those claims and not all users are stupid, some will try to find out and investigate, if it's really a legit claim. That's the beauty of having a thread in a forum.