Merit Abuse

[CryptoManiac2017]

Nobody in the right mind would do that even as a joke

Requesting a 35$ loan and now losing 32k $. Get a life dude.

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Never thought that posting a simple " link " may get you such number of Merits 

Now try this
https://medium.com/grin-mimblewimble/factual-inaccuracies-of-breaking-mimblewimbles-privacy-model-8063371839b9

Now that dude Heisenberg_Hunter is like following & " Meriting " his posts randomly, he's the more " Merit " one to that member. (16 times lol)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1235090

Some people are doing great posts & don't get so many Merits as supposed to be while some random posts get dozens of Merits, i guess it's something to reconsider on how to rank on this forums or simply make a better " Meriting " system.

[akhjob]

OP, stop stalking me and get a life.

[Harkorede]

Not every merit sent is an abused, especially when it's not a source merit.

From what I can tell, almost every of the posted quoted above were deemed to be merit worthy by more than one user(4 posts merited by 9 different users) how is that by any means an abuse ?

OP, stop stalking me and get a life.

I agree, or better still complain with his main account and stop being an a**hole.

[bL4nkcode]

It's not just posting links, it's giving facts with the source of the news/article/thread.

Now you're telling some users do make great posts but without merit? Can you link them here instead?
If it's really a quality post, not just copied from other sources, or translated to their local then there's no way it will not be merited.

[Cnut237]

OP, stop stalking me and get a life.

Yep. Nothing to see here. A few posts each getting very small quantities of merit from some very well-respected members of the forum. Not the slightest indication of merit abuse, nothing whatsoever.

[CryptoManiac2017]

OP, stop stalking me and get a life.

Why would you say that !
Define "stalking " !
Being a good member in the forum & reporting "abuse" when i see it isn't "stalking".

Not every merit sent is an abused, especially when it's not a source merit.

From what I can tell, almost every of the posted quoted above were deemed to be merit worthy by more than one user(4 posts merited by 9 different users) how is that by any means an abuse ?

Well, let's see what the admins say about that. My job is to report when i see something "not ok" or fishy, the rest is up to the admins.

It's not just posting links, it's giving facts with the source of the news/article/thread.

Now you're telling some users do make great posts but without merit? Can you link them here instead?
If it's really a quality post, not just copied from other sources, or translated to their local then there's no way it will not be merited.

Well, i didn't see them as " quality " posts that deserves so many merits though, but who am i to know that.

[Ryzenus]

I think OP doesn't understand a quality post looks like. From what I've seen and read even one liner post but gives a lot of message in it is considerable as a quality post. Even merit-worthy posts scattered in the forum are not seen but it's ok and there's nothing to worry about. This forum doesn't revolve around merits you know. I may have not seen many but maybe there are mods that are double-checking reports or consent.

[Harkorede]

Not every merit sent is an abused, especially when it's not a source merit.

From what I can tell, almost every of the posted quoted above were deemed to be merit worthy by more than one user(4 posts merited by 9 different users) how is that by any means an abuse ?

Well, let's see what the admins say about that. My job is to report when i see something "not ok" or fishy, the rest is up to the admins.

Merits transaction isn't moderated, and admins don't give a shit about how users decide to spend their sMerits, however, Theymos might be slightly concerned, so it's best you send him a PM with you claim, who knows ? He might agree with you.

[Mitchell]

My job is to report when i see something "not ok" or fishy, the rest is up to the admins.

Your job? I didn't know you were a staff member.

Reporting merit abuse is a good thing to do yes, but I don't see any case of abuse here. People can merit a post simply because they agree with it or think it adds something.

[mole0815]

Define "stalking " !

since you have tried to detect user akhjob plagiarism here, this thread now could already be seen as stalking
I can see no violation here and the issue is therefore closed for me.

there are often posts that contain very little text and still help a lot of users. such posts regularly receive more merits than posts with 1000 words but 0 content.
no one is blaming you CryptoManiac2017. but please be careful when making accusations.

[CryptoManiac2017]

I agree, or better still complain with his main account and stop being an a**hole.

What? What main account? Stop being so paranoid 
The admins will check if i have more than 1 account & ban them if they found any 

Reporting merit abuse is a good thing to do yes, but I don't see any case of abuse here. People can merit a post simply because they agree with it or think it adds something.

lol, why you guys attacking me & hating on me?
As i said it before, i just reported something i though it wasn't "right" & now it's up to the admins, they may see it as plain bullshit (probable), so it's up to them not to you guys who kept attacking me for no god damn reason.

May be i should stop reporting shit posters & spam or whatever in this forums so you guys be happy with your lives

I'll just do that, thanks to you 

since you have tried to detect user akhjob plagiarism here, this thread now could already be seen as stalking
I can see no violation here and the issue is therefore closed for me.

there are often posts that contain very little text and still help a lot of users. such posts regularly receive more merits than posts with 1000 words but 0 content.

Yeah man, conspiracy theory. I better not reporting any of his posts anymore (even the shit posts) since there is a gang on the forum defending him & attacking me for doing something like "reporting, bad me & not leaving this to admins as supposed to be.

[Cnut237]

lol, why you guys attacking me & hating on me?
As i said it before, i just reported something i though it wasn't "right" & now it's up to the admins, they may see it as plain bullshit (probable), so it's up to them not to you guys who kept attacking me for no god damn reason.

May be i should stop reporting shit poster & spam or whatever in this forums so you guys be happy with your lives

I'll just do that, thanks to you  

I think we all need to calm down a bit. Yes, it can be frustrating when you make what you think is a good substantial post, but you get no merit - and then you see someone throw out a one-liner and pick up a couple of merit for it. Apologies for meriting the post in this thread, that was pure devilry.

Merit doesn't always work out on a post-by-post basis, but it does tend to even out over the longer-term. I have managed to gain a fair amount of merit recently, but I have plenty of what I think are good posts that get nothing, the last two threads I started, for example:

Jeff Bezos saves the World!!!
Democracy 2020

Just relax. Merit will come on average, over time. No need to get stressed out and start seeing abuse everywhere. Sometimes you get it, sometimes not, no big deal.

[YOSHIE]

The problem between you two was here in the beginning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg54004369#msg54004369

I have seen people send Merit thousands of times, in one word post, try: zzzzz 50 Merit, if I show it to the OP, it is very likely that the OP will be pinned.

So stop this drama, "misusing Merit" Merit, not moderated.

OP, put an end to this dispute, you don't get anything in this thread.

[CryptoManiac2017]

I think we all need to calm down a bit. Yes, it can be frustrating when you make what you think is a good substantial post, but you get no merit - and then you see someone throw out a one-liner and pick up a couple of merit for it. Apologies for meriting the post in this thread, that was pure devilry.

Merit doesn't always work out on a post-by-post basis, but it does tend to even out over the longer-term. I have managed to gain a fair amount of merit recently, but I have plenty of what I think are good posts that get nothing, the last two threads I started, for example:

Jeff Bezos saves the World!!!
Democracy 2020

Just relax. Merit will come on average, over time. No need to get stressed out and start seeing abuse everywhere. Sometimes you get it, sometimes not, no big deal.

Thank you man for your kind post, finally someone that isn't in the conspiracy theory & attacking my ass for just "reporting".

The problem between you two was here in the beginning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg54004369#msg54004369

I have seen people send Merit thousands of times, in one word post, try: zzzzz 50 Merit, if I show it to the OP, it is very likely that the OP will be pinned.

So stop this drama, "misusing Merit" Merit, not moderated.

OP, put an end to this dispute, you don't get anything in this thread.

I'll just stop " the drama" like you said so you have a better life cuz of that. that's a good deal for both of us.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Never thought that posting a simple " link " may get you such number of Merits 

Depends on what link you're posting and why.  I've given merits for posts that don't contain much more than a link, but those have been cases where the link is a very useful piece of information.  Someone posted a link to some kind of death toll counter for the coronavirus, and I appreciated it and thus merited that post.  Is that merit abuse?  Absolutely not. 

Merit-giving is very subjective, which is why I don't tag suspected merit abusers--there's way too much subjectivity involved.  And OP's comments here seem more like jealousy than any real concern that the merit system might be getting abused.  I would suggest just moving on and not letting it bother you.  Even if there is abuse going on, it isn't likely anybody is going to get tagged by DT members anyway.  It's not worth the mental stress IMO.

[CryptoManiac2017]

Never thought that posting a simple " link " may get you such number of Merits 

Depends on what link you're posting and why.  I've given merits for posts that don't contain much more than a link, but those have been cases where the link is a very useful piece of information.  Someone posted a link to some kind of death toll counter for the coronavirus, and I appreciated it and thus merited that post.  Is that merit abuse?  Absolutely not. 

Merit-giving is very subjective, which is why I don't tag suspected merit abusers--there's way too much subjectivity involved.  And OP's comments here seem more like jealousy than any real concern that the merit system might be getting abused.  I would suggest just moving on and not letting it bother you.  Even if there is abuse going on, it isn't likely anybody is going to get tagged by DT members anyway.  It's not worth the mental stress IMO.

Noted that thanks, now admins can just close the thread since it's useless.
I thought merits can be "misused" though, but now i know it's not 

[Lucius]

CryptoManiac2017, posts you quoted is from Wall Observer, and if only you look for example the last 50 or 100 posts you will see that users there are very generous with merits. Unless there is strong evidence that someone is using alt accounts for merit abuse, or that someone is buying/selling them there is no basis that we can talk about abuse.

The point is only in the perception of the observers, to someone something seems quite justified, to others completely unjustified. What many people actually misunderstand is that posts must be top quality to get merits, sometimes post just need to be funny, sarcastic or maybe rude.

What I notice as a daily active member of the forum is that some members have their favorites when it comes to rewarding posts with merits, but it is only a matter of personal preference, do you support someone or not, do you have anything against someone on a personal level...

[YOSHIE]

I'll just stop " the drama" like you said so you have a better life cuz of that. that's a good deal for both of us.

And what if I send one Merit for your post this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2223417.msg22477390#msg22477390
which, worthless and weighty, do I blame him, no.

So how, if I send one merit to you, what are you, key to this topic and find a good and useful idea, post it here to get more merit, so that you will be a superior ranking.

Op,
How my offer agrees, or continue this discussion until one loses and wins.

[DireWolfM14]

@CryptoManiac2017
Why aren't you posting your attacks against akhjob from your mosprognoz account?  I know your attempted witch hunt against eddie13 didn't go as you predicted, and you stormed out of here in a huff.  But none of us believed you were going to stay gone.  Now your here with a new witch hunt against a new target, one who (you must have surmised) may not generate the same amount public support as eddie13.  Well, you're probably wrong again, but why use the sock puppet?  Did you think we wouldn't notice?

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[CryptoManiac2017]

And what if I send one Merit for your post this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2223417.msg22477390#msg22477390
which, worthless and weighty, do I blame him, no.
So how, if I send one merit to you, what are you, key to this topic and find a good and useful idea, post it here to get more merit, so that you will be a superior ranking.

Op,
How my offer agrees, or continue this discussion until one loses and wins.

As i said before, stop attacking my ass instead & give the Merits to anyone, any shit post you like, up to the Merit holder.
I know that Merits CAN'T BE BUSED NOW, so shill a lil bit.
Nothing to prove in here about loosing or winning, just reported something that " i thought " wasn't ok, some members made it clear that it wazsn't a big deal & that there is nothing called "Merit MisUse"& they said that "politely" without being D***.

@CryptoManiac2017
Why aren't you posting your attacks against akhjob from your mosprognoz account?  I know your attempted witch hunt against eddie13 didn't go as you predicted, and you stormed out of here in a huff.  But none of us believed you were going to stay gone.  Now your here with a new witch hunt against a new target, one who (you must have surmised) may not generate the same amount public support as eddie13.  Well, you're probably wrong again, but why use the sock puppet?  Did you think we wouldn't notice?

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Conspiracy theory again, may be i should report someone else or many other shit poster or ... too to avoid being "suspicious " right.

Some decent members already explained how Merits can't be abused & up to their holders to whom they give (i get that idea now)without being so paranoid like some of you