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March 14, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
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I think everyone remember how people were constantly viewing any negative economic news as bullish for Bitcoin, how people were waiting for a recession to come - well here it is.

Maybe it boils down to the shortfalls of conventional wisdom.  It was a widely held belief that bad news for the traditional economy would generally equal good news for crypto, but this was only tested on occasion with some minor economic blips.  In practice, when something major happens, it's seemingly not always the case.

Perhaps in all the while that some people have been clamouring for more institutional investors to get on board, this is the knock-on effect?  Maybe crypto will follow traditional markets more closely if there's a larger proportion of speculators involved?  It's kind of difficult to pin down exactly why the theory didn't hold up.

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March 14, 2020, 02:17:30 PM
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Perhaps in all the while that some people have been clamouring for more institutional investors to get on board, this is the knock-on effect?  Maybe crypto will follow traditional markets more closely if there's a larger proportion of speculators involved?  It's kind of difficult to pin down exactly why the theory didn't hold up.

I think that's one of the prime reasons. Ownership has gone from manifesto-toting whack jobs to city slickers. As the demographic of ownership advances into traditional groups traditional reactions to things elsewhere will increase.

Anyone who expected it to do well in a full on recession is a bit of a weirdo if you ask me. There might be potential during brief blips or shocks in normal markets that expose their frilliness, this sure as shit isn't that right now.
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March 14, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
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I don't think Bitcoin was meant to be a revolution against fiat, nor was it supposed to replace it. BTC was designed to eliminate third parties and I am more than sure Satoshi did not create it with the idea of fiat replacement in his mind. It was meant to be just a revolutionary asset you can transfer with mandatory transparency and with no need of trust.
I'm really curious on what did Satoshi think when planning to create the bitcoin coz it is called cryptocurrency, the word currency is in it so it might be a revolutionary currency as fiat counterpart. But let it be it, bitcoin is supposed to use in online world and not even an investment, many people just made it an investment because of the volatility rate that it contain.

Part of those who have invested months ago and have now lost a significant part of their money are not going to believe in BTC again and will turn into Peter Schiff-like investors throwing only negative opinions and news off the cliff. The other part of investors is those like me, who believe this is not the end of BTC and is just a normal market move in the crypto markets. I am in no way affected as soon as I don't sell.

Bitcoin is safe imho. There's always going to be a mass of investors and they'll split into two during market cycles: those who turn into strong believers and those who turn into non-believers and FUD spreaders.
This is where bitcoin identity crisis come to place, in times like this people don't know how the bitcoin would behave as part of decentralization and so on how they would handle it, if whether they would spend it or make it as their safe haven, they really don't know. We have seen bitcoin for so long dominating the market, we even saw the lowest price of it, this is not the time for us to lose confidence in it.

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March 14, 2020, 03:46:41 PM
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First the dominant narrative was that Bitcoin brings a financial revolution and soon the whole world will abandon fiat and use it instead. Then, the problems with scaling started to arise the narrative shifted to store of value and digital gold. Now Bitcoin had its first test as those things and it failed it miserably with 50% crash.

So, how will we justify its value in the future? Cross-border payments? Go back to its roots - immutability and personal freedom? Or maybe Lightning Network will bring back the hopes of a widely adopted currency?

What do you think the people will be saying in the near future and what you personally believe in?
The crash is huge, I agree. The situation is extraordinary, though. I don't think that what's happening is discrediting Bitcoin. S&P is also experiencing huge losses, and let's see how fiat will be holding up (my local fiat lost nearly 7% of the price within days). I think Bitcoin is still not a bad store of value (although we gotta be ready that sometimes major setbacks like the one we're in right now) can happen, and I hope a solution will be found to make it possible for Bitcoin to function as money as well. I realize there are big challenges with that right now, but I do think that it's possible to overcome them.

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March 14, 2020, 06:09:49 PM
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It's not about just ups and downs, because this time it was a test for Bitcoin as a hedge. I think everyone remember how people were constantly viewing any negative economic news as bullish for Bitcoin, how people were waiting for a recession to come - well here it is.
I am still trying to figure out the reason of the fall. In the past, many times we had price gone up and then significant down without any reason and this one was the same or you are saying that ponzi scheme that wanted to dump his 180,000 bitcoins and as a result we had this price crash?

Whatever the price is, 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin always. That's what we think as a bitcoins believer.

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March 14, 2020, 06:20:08 PM
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I am still trying to figure out the reason of the fall. In the past, many times we had price gone up and then significant down without any reason and this one was the same or you are saying that ponzi scheme that wanted to dump his 180,000 bitcoins and as a result we had this price crash?

Whatever the price is, 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin always. That's what we think as a bitcoins believer.

This time there were multiple causes. For starters, Bitcoin was on decline for some time already as it failed to break past the $10,000 barrier. This already made Bitcoin's price fragile. Then the stocks crashed and for some reason they took Bitcoin with them (and not only Bitcoin but also gold). There are also reports that the whales were sending coins to exchanges days before the crash, so there might also be a coordinate manipulation. And that chinese ponzi scheme probably contributed too.

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This time there were multiple causes. For starters, Bitcoin was on decline for some time already as it failed to break past the $10,000 barrier. This already made Bitcoin's price fragile. Then the stocks crashed and for some reason they took Bitcoin with them (and not only Bitcoin but also gold). There are also reports that the whales were sending coins to exchanges days before the crash, so there might also be a coordinate manipulation. And that chinese ponzi scheme probably contributed too.
And how about the world economy for this corona virus disaster?
Look I am not much into technical analysis, current affairs and stuffs. I am a long term holder and for sure I know that holding my bitcoins is the wise thing I can do. When I get change then I buy to have more in my bag and this is how I am doing with bitcoins.

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March 15, 2020, 07:49:42 PM
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Bitcoin doesn't have an identity and this is not a crisis for bitcoin solely.

The whole world's economy has been experiencing losses because of coronavirus epidemic. Don't try to make Bitcoin look bad because of that
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March 15, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
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First the dominant narrative was that Bitcoin brings a financial revolution and soon the whole world will abandon fiat and use it instead. Then, the problems with scaling started to arise the narrative shifted to store of value and digital gold. Now Bitcoin had its first test as those things and it failed it miserably with 50% crash.

It was really a big test for Bitcoin and the rest of crypto specially during this Covid-19 pandemic. But to be fair, all global markets are also affected, which means that perhaps Bitcoin is not isolated after-all as every market be stocks, oil are somewhat correlated to one another. So everyone failed as well.

So, how will we justify its value in the future? Cross-border payments? Go back to its roots - immutability and personal freedom? Or maybe Lightning Network will bring back the hopes of a widely adopted currency?

But still the narrative won't change in the future, payment scheme, store of value (even after it's failure),  Bitcoin will be bitcoin.

What do you think the people will be saying in the near future and what you personally believe in?

Haters will be haters I guess, they won't change anything, in fact with the recent 50% dump, those nocoiners are going to justify their attacks on Bitcoin, just like what we have seen in the last couple of days. I won't mentioned names but I guess majority here have seen threads after threads from some entity that will attack or will continue to attack Bitcoin no matter what cycle we are.

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March 16, 2020, 04:35:55 AM
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I think it is perfectly normal for Bitcoin to drop. We have seen depreciation in the past but the value of Bitcoin is still very clear, Bitcoin value is always there so keep calm and wait  Grin .

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What do you think the people will be saying in the near future and what you personally believe in?

Now you gave me something to think about.
Almost like a headache.  Cheesy

Well, as of me I am also having the same problem of where to put bitcoin at.
First, this forum will make it more twisted because of different opinion.

But, I do think it is in the middle of commodity and currency.
A store of value but yet can be used as a currency. More likeness of gold way back where they use it to pay and also stores it in case of need.
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March 16, 2020, 06:04:17 AM
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First the dominant narrative was that Bitcoin brings a financial revolution and soon the whole world will abandon fiat and use it instead. Then, the problems with scaling started to arise the narrative shifted to store of value and digital gold. Now Bitcoin had its first test as those things and it failed it miserably with 50% crash.

So, how will we justify its value in the future? Cross-border payments? Go back to its roots - immutability and personal freedom? Or maybe Lightning Network will bring back the hopes of a widely adopted currency?

What do you think the people will be saying in the near future and what you personally believe in?

The whole world won't abandon fiat because the governments and central banks won't abandon fiat.
The scaling issues are in the past.The Bitcoin Core blockchain improved since 2017 after Segwit has been implemented.We have Lightning Network and other off-chain solutions and the overall confirmation time is better.
Stock markets failed miserably too,do you think that the Bitcoin price is strong enough to stay stable in a situation of global panic?

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March 16, 2020, 07:29:40 AM
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As I mentioned it a few times, nothing is going to be changed till we can't take it as 1 BTC = 1 BTC, we everyone take it as investment, including me. I doubt we have a single person here who is here to accomplish the goal of BTC as a currency. So, how can it be?
Actually that's the point in which let's wait until the bitcoin will be equally to 1 bitcoin which is 1:1 the ratio, until this is not happening then probably there will be no changes will occur.
Until now we don't have any single person who really accomplish their wants to happen on the bitcoin or other cryptocurrency because until now there are so many government and country that is not approved with the cryptocurrency as the main currency of their country.



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March 16, 2020, 07:53:39 AM
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People might have their perspectives change a little bit about bitcoin now. Most of the people think that it is a store of value, a safe haven, and something where their funds become safe in times like this when a virus is making almost all of the investment platform go down.

Well, IMO, bitcoin remains the same as long as we see the true value of it without comparing its market price to dollar or any currency. Other people wonder why donation in this forum to become a VIP remains 50BTC, that is because of the value of BTC is not changing over time, but its market price when compared to other currencies.

If we could understand this, our perspective about losing our fund when the market price is low could be change.
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Bitcoin is a victim of it’s own success. In the beginning there were lots of smart people making incredible innovations. Then the price began to skyrocket and the scammers moved in, killing legitimate investment opportunities and chasing the innovators from the community. This led to the HODL movement, where Bitcoiners were expected to ride the tidal wave of initial innovations to higher prices. This lasted a while, long enough for Wall Street to get involved with the narrative that low supply could easily be manipulated to higher prices. This is where we are now. Bitcoin is valuable now not because it’s continuing to innovate new use cases, but because enough people have been inundated with tales of riches and don’t want to miss out. When people talk about Bitcoin now, they aren’t excited about being able to transfer money to friends and family without high fees or third parties. They talk only of how much money they’ll make by selling later. This is called the Greater Fool Theory and I hope that someone is able to reverse this identity with a truly innovative use case. The world desperately needs what Bitcoin could have been. My wish is that we get it back someday.

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March 16, 2020, 08:13:23 AM
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Bitcoin is still very useful in the future, that's what I believe, what you've mentioned that bitcoin will be the best option when there is a crisis would only happen when there is already a massive adoption, as of now, bitcoin has not gained massive adoption yet, it would happen slowly but surely but with manipulation we can't expect people would easily use bitcoin.

and of course, it's still too early to conclude, if this gets worst, maybe people especially those who are potential investors will find bitcoin a good alternative.
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March 16, 2020, 10:02:35 AM
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First the dominant narrative was that Bitcoin brings a financial revolution and soon the whole world will abandon fiat and use it instead. Then, the problems with scaling started to arise the narrative shifted to store of value and digital gold. Now Bitcoin had its first test as those things and it failed it miserably with 50% crash.

So, how will we justify its value in the future?

Those are just projections and marketing narratives. We need to drop the expectations and just let Bitcoin be. People will either treat it as money -- currency, store of value, unit of account -- or they won't. In time, I believe they will.

Even if we're going to place those expectations on Bitcoin, it would never happen in 10 or 11 years. Establishing a new asset class worthy of replacing gold or fiat money won't happen overnight. People are understandably skeptical, and Bitcoin still has a lot of technological and UI concerns to overcome. This will take decades to play out.

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March 16, 2020, 11:36:08 AM
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We need to drop the expectations and just let Bitcoin be. People will either treat it as money -- currency, store of value, unit of account -- or they won't. In time, I believe they will.

Even if we're going to place those expectations on Bitcoin, it would never happen in 10 or 11 years. Establishing a new asset class worthy of replacing gold or fiat money won't happen overnight. People are understandably skeptical, and Bitcoin still has a lot of technological and UI concerns to overcome. This will take decades to play out.

Seconded.  I made this post two years ago and it still seems to hold true.  There's far greater potential still to be unlocked and we just need to give it time.  Anyone writing off bitcoin now is just impatient.

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March 16, 2020, 03:52:56 PM
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This time there were multiple causes. For starters, Bitcoin was on decline for some time already as it failed to break past the $10,000 barrier. This already made Bitcoin's price fragile. Then the stocks crashed and for some reason they took Bitcoin with them (and not only Bitcoin but also gold). There are also reports that the whales were sending coins to exchanges days before the crash, so there might also be a coordinate manipulation. And that chinese ponzi scheme probably contributed too.
And how about the world economy for this corona virus disaster?
Look I am not much into technical analysis, current affairs and stuffs. I am a long term holder and for sure I know that holding my bitcoins is the wise thing I can do. When I get change then I buy to have more in my bag and this is how I am doing with bitcoins.

Yeah, that's exactly the point he is trying to make and I don't know what is so hard to understand..

I've mentioned them early, remember those?

Remember the Cyprus crisis? Everyone was talking about how people are buying bitcoins cause the banks are closed!
Remember all the talk about Venezuela and how people there are buying bitcoin to hedge against the bolivar?
Remember the Iran scare, where supposedly millions of Iranians we're buying BTC?
Nigeria? Turkey?

Why it's not like that now? Because it was false from the beginning!
In all those cases we didn't really see an effect on the price because the few people that actually did it couldn't move the price a dime.

Now this pandemic hit where it matters, the western world!!! Where there is both money enough to make the price go to the moon and enough BTC to drop it to 4k.

And what happened? Nothing special, BTC went the same way as stocks, the same way as everything!
That's his point, the whole scenario the economy fails BTC will go to the moon was false.
I've told people a hundred times if the economy will crumble, if there are job loses, shutdowns, less than 1% of those who invest during good times will buy now. It's natural!!!

Bitcoin's price reflects one thing, the trust people put in its value, and currently, that trust is down -48% percent from what it was 30 days ago.

Is the coin still working as it should, yes it does, apart from a small timeframe where we had a close to~40MB mempool everything is fine!
When it comes to price, the people are the ones deciding it, and it looks like they've decided it's not worth that much.
I'm certain the trend will change once we're done with the virus but one thing was cleared with this.

Bitcoin's price is still to fragile and it's adoption too low to face a worldwide crisis yet. YET! This test came to soon!

Those are just projections and marketing narratives. We need to drop the expectations and just let Bitcoin be. People will either treat it as money -- currency, store of value, unit of account -- or they won't. In time, I believe they will.

Exactly!
That's how free markets should work!
Demand and offer, if the people don't want something, it's their choice, you don't force them to buy or sell at a fixed price.
But sometimes, when things go wrong, the same people that advocate for freedom are starting to lean towards a controlled market.

Because, what matters most in the end, is money, no matter how they look or how they are called.




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March 16, 2020, 04:55:09 PM
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In the near future, I feel it is still difficult for bitcoin to be recognized as being able to replace the current currency, not that I do not support it but in the near future this will not happen because people now still view bitcoin as a fast investment. It takes a lot of time
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