Will all the world hold China responsible for corona-v

[philipma1957]

Was thinking China had and or has dirty wet markets. 
Filled with sick animals being sold for food.
Corona-v has been traced to a wet market in WuHan.
This virus will cost deaths illness and ton and tons of money world wide.

Many countries have loans from China. 
So do they simply tell China no loan payments until you take responsibility for spread of corona-v.

USA president  Donald Trump has called corona-v a foreign virus.
Is this the beginning of a strategy for USA to not pay its debt to China?
Do other countries follow this move.

Will the world go after China or not?

[Jet Cash]

Corona-v has been traced to a wet market in WuHan.

But not to the food there.

The idea that the virus is actually an untested rogue vaccine seems to be gaining credence. Now we need to find out which of the Pharma companies created it, and dumped it on the unsuspecting public in China. Was it deliberate? Who knows?

[DaveF]

Some will, but they would be wrong.
Yes it happened to start there, but so what. It's a global economy and things are going to spread stupid fast across the world now.
The issue and what they should take some of the hit for is the delay in dealing with it. (but we in the US can't really throw stones at that one)

Did we blame the British for Creutzfeldt-Jakob (mad cow)?

-Dave

[Jet Cash]

Did we blame the British for Creutzfeldt-Jakob (mad cow)?

Come on - British beef was some of the safest in the world at that time. Any hint of infection in a herd, and the whole herd was burnt. European countries were burying the infected cows, or, worse still, slaughtering them and adding them into the food chain. British food quality and standards dropped when we came under the control of the EU, and it is going to be a struggle to regain those standards once we have got rid of its insanity and vested interests of the EU federalists.

[DaveF]

Did we blame the British for Creutzfeldt-Jakob (mad cow)?

Come on - British beef was some of the safest in the world at that time. Any hint of infection in a herd, and the whole herd was burnt. European countries were burying the infected cows, or, worse still, slaughtering them and adding them into the food chain. British food quality and standards dropped when we came under the control of the EU, and it is going to be a struggle to regain those standards once we have got rid of its insanity and vested interests of the EU federalists.

Don't know what planet you are living on but it's not the same as mine.
GB might have had the ILLUSION of safe / safest. However they were not testing for it. Now these next few words are important. NOBODY WAS TESTING.
So by the time it was known how bad it was (And still is) it was too late and and had spread.

Same with corona-v it looks like a nasty version the flu, it behaves like a nasty version of the flu, once it came out that it was not the flu it was all over. Because it was out of China and spreading. Especially with the long incubation period.

Think about it. If within 72 hours of the 1st cases coming out of China they began a lock-down it was already too late.
14 day incubation period, +/- a few days. Then figure out who came into contact with whom and it's all over the world.

Actually might have made it worse, because when you did get a cluster. Be it just north of NYC or parts of Italy or anyplace else. NOBODY would go "oh fuck, corona" they would go. Crap this flu case really sucks. Take some tamiflu, and go about their day possibly spreading it more.

Either way it's fun to sit here and watch all the "doomsday preppers" freak out about how prepared they are and then cry like little bitches when they find out that surfaces in their bunker tested positive for it because their spouse just tested positive for it also after they were in their bunker doing inventory.

-Dave

[coins4commies]

Wait until you find out what goes on in Western pig farms.  Its all probability.  Viruses are just more likely to come out of China because its the biggest country which means viruses have the most chances to mutate there.

[fortunecrypto]

They should not be held responsible for virus to come out in their region but they are to blame for ignoring all the warning, remember Doctor Li Wenliang who died from the virus already told the government about this virus but instead of taking his advice he was restricted and detained now China and the world suffers because they are late in containing this virus and it's because of their ignorance.

Read the story here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/whistleblower-chinese-doctor-dies-from-coronavirus

[KingScorpio]

Wait until you find out what goes on in Western pig farms.  Its all probability.  Viruses are just more likely to come out of China because its the biggest country which means viruses have the most chances to mutate there.

a virus isnt necessarily something bad, chorona will also have a lot of good effects, in the developed world.

[PrimeNumber7]

The world owes China a lot of money, but it is also borrowing a lot of money from China on an ongoing basis. If the world were to stop honoring its debts to China, it would need to be ready to not borrow additional money from China.

The biggest barrier to holding China responsible is the fact that economic supply chains can be traced to China. In an all-out economic war with China, they could respond by banning exports, which would cripple most of the world economies. This includes the production of some material required to produce certain medicines and anti-biotics.

Until this supply chain issue is resolved, I don't see China being held responsible in any meaningful way. I would not find it unreasonable for supply chains to be fairly quickly moved out of China after the coronavirus has been resolved.

I would not hold China responsible simply because the virus originated within China. Assuming the coronavirus is not manmade, the virus originating in China is not the Chinese government's fault. The reason I would want to hold the Chinese government responsible is that they suppressed information about the virus for so long, and they censored people who were trying to warn the public about the virus. 

[KingScorpio]

muslims, africans and nongerman europeans will do that, especially if someone comes out with a vaccine for that virus they will continuously attack china and demand to pay for that to vaccine the entire world

[philipma1957]

Some will, but they would be wrong.
Yes it happened to start there, but so what. It's a global economy and things are going to spread stupid fast across the world now.
The issue and what they should take some of the hit for is the delay in dealing with it. (but we in the US can't really throw stones at that one)

Did we blame the British for Creutzfeldt-Jakob (mad cow)?

-Dave

  No but it  is an avoidable problem if you don't eat beef.  While this disease if harder to avoid.

Many have claimed the bio tech lab working in wuhan sold lab rats etc to the wet markets thus the problem would be China's fault if it was proven to be that.

I suppose you could blame farmers butchering sick cattle and feeding them to the public if  proven.

I just thought it was interesting that Trump called corona-v a foreign virus.  I kind of think he will attempt to blame China for the issue. Use it to not pay USA loans from China until China gives a discount to make up for hurting the USA with the spread-creation of corona-v.

But I am way below Trump's pay grade or anyone else for that matter so you could be correct.

[TECSHARE]

I thought this was relevant here:

I heard another interesting possible motive that China would have for this being a self inflicted wound. China is losing the trade war, the world is waking up to its totalitarian practices, its economy is running on fumes and fraud and its time is numbered as retraction is inevitable for them. The USA is actively moving manufacturing back on shore, but it is still heavily dependent on China as a supply chain.

If China were to shut down access to its production capacity, it would most certainly see repercussions, either in the form of sanctions or possibly even war. However, with this outbreak as an excuse to lock everything down and quarantine its work force, they have a justification for denying the world access to its supply chain before it can rebuild its production capacity domestically. In this way, it could be a preemptive strike on the world's economy by China. Knowing it's own fate is sealed, it may have chosen to go forward with a form of economic mutually assured destruction.

Of course this also has the added benefit of allowing them to almost totally end any domestic dissent and protests, as well as round up massive numbers of dissidents under the pretense of quarantines. This also serves as a form of depopulation, not just by the disease, but by welding people into their apartments to starve, or simply not have access to food because everything is shut down.

So far this is the most plausible motive I have heard that aligns not only with all of the facts of the circumstances of the matter, seeing as China's only level 4 pathogen lab is located in Wuhan, but the results long term serve to benefit the CCP most as they struggle to maintain control.

[philipma1957]

And as if on cue in an effort to get out ahead  of my poll's question China is saying:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-united-state-idUSKBN2120UH


China state media accuses U.S. politicians of spreading 'political virus'
3 MIN READ
BEIJING (Reuters) - Some United States politicians are using coronavirus as a weapon to smear China, the Xinhua official news agency said on Sunday, as a war of words escalated between the two countries over China’s handling of the epidemic.

...

Hmm   could India be the winner lots of cheap available labor for manufacturers .



please note my poll was based on Trump calling this a foreign virus.

It is obvious China fears Trump(and others) will want $$$ for damages or they would not be tossing counter rhetoric.

[KingScorpio]

german research institute is developing a corona vaccine americans are trying to get the rights over it, if whole third world will eternally blame china and demand china to pay for all their vaccinations germany will get rich as shit or the us company that owns the rights.

[af_newbie]

I thought this was relevant here:

I heard another interesting possible motive that China would have for this being a self inflicted wound. China is losing the trade war, the world is waking up to its totalitarian practices, its economy is running on fumes and fraud and its time is numbered as retraction is inevitable for them. The USA is actively moving manufacturing back on shore, but it is still heavily dependent on China as a supply chain.

If China were to shut down access to its production capacity, it would most certainly see repercussions, either in the form of sanctions or possibly even war. However, with this outbreak as an excuse to lock everything down and quarantine its work force, they have a justification for denying the world access to its supply chain before it can rebuild its production capacity domestically. In this way, it could be a preemptive strike on the world's economy by China. Knowing it's own fate is sealed, it may have chosen to go forward with a form of economic mutually assured destruction.

Of course this also has the added benefit of allowing them to almost totally end any domestic dissent and protests, as well as round up massive numbers of dissidents under the pretense of quarantines. This also serves as a form of depopulation, not just by the disease, but by welding people into their apartments to starve, or simply not have access to food because everything is shut down.

So far this is the most plausible motive I have heard that aligns not only with all of the facts of the circumstances of the matter, seeing as China's only level 4 pathogen lab is located in Wuhan, but the results long term serve to benefit the CCP most as they struggle to maintain control.

Would you release the virus in the same location as the lab?  Your (crackpot) theory makes no sense.

[TECSHARE]

Would you release the virus in the same location as the lab?  Your (crackpot) theory makes no sense.

Sure it does. Plausible deniability. "It leaked out by accident. Don't attack us please, it was a mistake we promise." You know what is even better than crackpot theories? Letting everyone else do your thinking for you and waiting for permission to think.

You are the kind of guy who would see three seedy looking guys in a dark alley, and go down it anyway because there is no evidence they are going to rob and murder you. You are little more than a domesticated animal in human form waiting to have your throat slit and your blood drained before butchering.

You attack me because you are a coward unwilling to look at the horrors right in front of your eyes. Anyone who doesn't have their head firmly lodged up their ass just like you, you perceive as a threat because any exposure to free thought pokes holes in your carefully cultivated willful escapist ignorance. All of the impotent lashing out in the world is not going to brow beat me into being a mindless meat sack like you, so save it.

[tvbcof]

Was thinking China had and or has dirty wet markets. 
Filled with sick animals being sold for food.
Corona-v has been traced to a wet market in WuHan.
This virus will cost deaths illness and ton and tons of money world wide.

Many countries have loans from China. 
So do they simply tell China no loan payments until you take responsibility for spread of corona-v.

USA president  Donald Trump has called corona-v a foreign virus.
Is this the beginning of a strategy for USA to not pay its debt to China?
Do other countries follow this move.

Will the world go after China or not?

Hey slimeball, where is:  "they shouldn't but will"?

That is the category which most idiots who get their news from the highly choreographed 'social media platforms' and Western mainstream news.  The whole 'wet market' schtick was either not believed in the first place or fell apart some time ago to people who have a vague understanding of how this stuff works.

By the way, I would not doubt that the virus has an origin with one which is common in the pangolin.  That is not at all the same thing as the 'wet market'.  For about 100 years people working on 'weaponizing' microbes call themselves 'animal research centers'.  This is quite accurate.  They inevitably scour the animal kingdom for useful starting points.  Then when they get a promising lead they used animals for development, cultivation, and testing.  Most known weaponized biological agents were developed in this way and most biological weapons labs are called 'animal disease research centers.'

Pangolins are wild animals.  The opportunity for a coronavirus with so many random 'gain of function' properties developing in one of the creatures and making the jump to humans is tiny compared to domesticated animals of which there are billions living in close communication with humans and other domesticated animals.  The likelyhood that bioweapons scouts researching promising starting points and finding one in a naturally occurring coronavirus population which happens to be specific to pangolins is not outrageous at all.  Especially if it is a chimera virus with fragments from multiple doners.

[desertfox470]

I think that wet markets are not going to go away. Also, much of the world owes China in loans and such. I think some people will try to blame China just like China is trying to push propaganda. I don't think any major actions will be taken such as saying they won't pay China their loans.

[erikalui]

I wonder if China got to know about it only in December as by the time the news came out, the infected people must have already left the country and so how did other countries not get to know about this Coronavirus and spread the news before that?

[Sheriff Woody]

If there is evidence implicating them for having engineered it it's very much possible!

Remember lives have been lost and people want answers to what killed their loved ones. Otherwise let's first find a vaccine then try find the cause of all this!