Moderators Doubling Membership Fee Despite People Loosing Jobs

[Jessica Ruder]

So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!

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[bones261]

So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!

Why? The fee is supposed to be approximately 25.00 USD worth of BTC. When BTC tumbles from 10000 USD worth to 5000 USD worth, why should bitcointalk take a haircut, USD value wise?

[philipma1957]

So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!

Why? The fee is supposed to be approximately 25.00 USD worth of BTC. When BTC tumbles from 10000 USD worth to 5000 USD worth, why should bitcointalk take a haircut, USD value wise?

I agree  and when we jump to 10000 a coin  it will drop back to  0.0025 btc .

I believe this has happened on another occasion.

[actmyname]

So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!

Fucking capitalism! How dare they not give me free image-posting rights without me having to actually post something useful? These d--ned forums that don't have to allow me to do anything! Outrageous.

See, this is why we need to raise the cap of Bitcoin to infinity and give every single address an unlimited amount of coins to spend from.

[pooya87]

due to COVID-19 outbreak the April Fools day came early this year.

[theymos]

Why? The fee is supposed to be approximately 25.00 USD worth of BTC. When BTC tumbles from 10000 USD worth to 5000 USD worth, why should bitcointalk take a haircut, USD value wise?

I agree  and when we jump to 10000 a coin  it will drop back to  0.0025 btc .

I believe this has happened on another occasion.

Right. I won't hold my breath waiting for the OP to post a complaint if BTC goes to $20k and the fee ends up about a quarter of its present BTC-wise amount.

Previously I did this kind of randomly a few times each year, but lately I've taken to updating the BTC (& grin) price sometime around the 15^th of every month, unless the price hasn't changed very much since last time. I like the idea of the price being somewhat stable in BTC terms, but I don't like the real value to drift too far from what's intended.

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So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!

The copper membership fee is indirectly related to the price of toilet paper. Covid crisis caused shortages of toilet paper which reflected on Bitcointalk membership fee and it is intended on saving the forest. The lumber industry directly depends on this fee and Bitcointalk priority is to preserve jobs there so this forum can't be responsible for jobs in other industries.

[philipma1957]

So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!

The copper membership fee is indirectly related to the price of toilet paper. Covid crisis caused shortages of toilet paper which reflected on Bitcointalk membership fee and it is intended on saving the forest. The lumber industry directly depends on this fee and Bitcointalk priority is to preserve jobs there so this forum can't be responsible for jobs in other industries.

Thanks for the laugh 😂 .

[gentlemand]

Maybe copper membership should be awarded in return for dogsbody tasks that aid the forum. It would instil valuing the forum in new members, save them that horrific cost and ease the burden on staff. I would award them the job of dealing with subpoenas and liaising with law enforcement including court appearances.

6 hours of paperwork and 2 trials per membership.

[actmyname]

Maybe copper membership should be awarded in return for dogsbody tasks that aid the forum. It would instil valuing the forum in new members, save them that horrific cost and ease the burden on staff. I would award them the job of dealing with subpoenas and liaising with law enforcement including court appearances.

6 hours of paperwork and 2 trials per membership.

Here is something that would be interesting: giving copper membership in return for x amount of good reports. The difference between this and a monetary reward is that there is no real use for abusing copper membership. Moreover, the amount of time one would have to dedicate to reporting would presumably be considered "not worth it" for the delta in time between forum actions that you get from the membership. Why create a new title for reporters when you can refit an old one to this purpose?

This isn't really biased in my favor either, since I paid for my Copper Membership

[Chlotide]

Here is something that would be interesting: giving copper membership in return for x amount of good reports.

How many are $28 worth of good reports?
From what I've seen copper is bought for 3 reasons (they can be 2 out of 3 or all the below):

• You actually need it (announce smth, etc)
• To help the forum
• To show off

In none of these cases is it worth to wait couple of months to report thousands of posts for it.

The difference between this and a monetary reward is that there is no real use for abusing copper membership

How do you abuse a monetary reward ?
You expect to be paid for reports ? You trippin' dawg !
And then contradict yourself saying it's not worth it. And then contradict yourself again proposing this.

[actmyname]

How do you abuse a monetary reward ?
You expect to be paid for reports ? You trippin' dawg !

Never said that. In the past, there have been proposals of a potential reward.

It's easier for members of higher rank to report more quickly due to the shorter post interval. For members that have yet to buy the copper membership, it could be another way of obtaining it. Think of it as an added incentive to the act of reporting.

And then contradict yourself saying it's not worth it. And then contradict yourself again proposing this.

I bring up the subject of abuse because it is something that is often zeroed-in on, given the nature of how users operate on the forum.

From a logistic side, newly-created accounts for the sake of abusing this system have no draw towards it, since there are less time-consuming ways of maximizing revenue. You would not want to compromise high-rank accounts' post histories (though a lot of the current users should be reported) due to their potential for campaign funds, thereby reducing your profitability if reported. On the other hand, the aim is to mass-create Newbie accounts to create posts to report, not only does this draw great suspicion on the reporter's side but it is another huge waste of time in lieu of purely ranking up the individual accounts.

Regardless, this proposal was more for the sake of increased reporting than any supplanted use for Copper Membership. We've still got an overwhelming amount of spam flooding the boards.

[Chlotide]

You would not want to compromise high-rank accounts' post histories (though a lot of the current users should be reported)

+1 for honesty

On the other hand, the aim is to mass-create Newbie accounts to create posts to report...

Really ? Was not aware it's a thing... But on the other hand I guess abusers gonna abuse, no matter how weird it may seem

Regardless, this proposal was more for the sake of increased reporting than any supplanted use for Copper Membership...

I get what you're saying but pretty hard to "invent" awards for increased reporting. BTC, badges, merit, copper ... I guess there is no real need to insentience this. I report because I don't want to read the same bull shit twice by mistake )) it hurts my eyes and brain. Then I report ) But that is a personal opinion.

Sry if I strayed off-topic ...

[actmyname]

I get what you're saying but pretty hard to "invent" awards for increased reporting. BTC, badges, merit, copper ...

Welcome to the problem of political science. Figuring out a system that can't be abused, yet is actually useful. It is pretty tough to find an equilibrium between the two, which is probably why theymos goes with the "dismiss merit abuse, bigger fish to fry" focus angle.

I thought it up since it would be better to reuse a pre-existing asset in the forum rather than create those reporter badges or titles. But yes: reporting for the sake of cleaning up the forum is good and that was primarily my reason for doing so. Plus, I had some extra time to spare, so why not?

Sry if I strayed off-topic ...

It's good to see criticism because it offers you the chance to view new perspectives. Our unseen biases dictate the flow of our stream of consciousness, so we may miss branching paths as we rush past through the rapids.

And I think that as a topic develops, so long as there's a clear sequence from the ideas of one post to another, we can't really call it "off-topic"... otherwise, all replies would have to directly respond to the first and that would surely be a horrible forum of discussion.

[Chlotide]

Welcome to the problem of political science. Figuring out a system that can't be abused, yet is actually useful...

Wherever there are rewards, there also needs to be anti-abuse mechanisms put in place (nothing is perfect, but at least make it hard enough).
For example:
- need 1000 good reports for X₀ reward (badge, copper etc) min 20% of the reported posts need to belong to Full Member and above. I doubt they would risk high ranked accounts to get a badge or a $28 "chopper" membership )
- need 2500 good reports for X₁ reward min 15% of the reported posts need to belong to Full Member and above ...

And so on and so forth...
Clearly not perfect (or polished enough) but might be a nice sketch to build on a system to fight this "political science problem" 

Build it and they will report )

[libert19]

Damn bro, theymos gotta eat too.