how to fix children are an unprofitable liability in the developed world dilema

[KingScorpio]

the developed world suffers from a drama that it didnt had before industrialisation,

during ages having children was something profitable, people had them for profit gains, children were teached religious teachings to serve their parents,

and till today among wild people in africa or the middle east having children is access to cheap farm labour, but not in the west.

children here have become some kind of fun object, like an ultra expensive toy.

this can't last forever, as it is also damaging the developed societies. leaving the people there alone with third world immigrants.

now how to fix that issue, in order to make the developed world more sustainable?

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[suchmoon]

this can't last forever, as it is also demaging the developed societies. leaving the people there alone with third world immigrants.

I could almost understand what you're trying to say until this point. How are children "demaging [sic] the developed societies"? Did you mean lack of children, i.e. lack of young workforce to sustain the economic growth? That would explain the thing about immigration (if we don't have children then we need immigrants) but I'm not certain if that's what you're trying to say.

[KingScorpio]

this can't last forever, as it is also demaging the developed societies. leaving the people there alone with third world immigrants.

I could almost understand what you're trying to say until this point. How are children "demaging [sic] the developed societies"? Did you mean lack of children, i.e. lack of young workforce to sustain the economic growth? That would explain the thing about immigration (if we don't have children then we need immigrants) but I'm not certain if that's what you're trying to say.

the low fertility rates are damaging for the developed societies not children,

children have human rights, thats why people don't want to breed them they all want to use the labour from the children of others. this has to end. people need to produce children like they produce crops or machines, without labour there is no society.

[suchmoon]

children have human rights, thats why people don't want to breed them they all want to use the labour from the children of others. this has to end. people need to produce children like they produce crops or machines, without labour there is no society.

I don't think human rights are the problem. It's mostly caused by the enormous cost of raising a child in the developed countries, both direct financial expense and the opportunity cost.

I don't think there is an easy solution to that. Eventually automation and immigration will have to balance out the [lack of] population growth.

[KingScorpio]

children have human rights, thats why people don't want to breed them they all want to use the labour from the children of others. this has to end. people need to produce children like they produce crops or machines, without labour there is no society.

I don't think human rights are the problem. It's mostly caused by the enormous cost of raising a child in the developed countries, both direct financial expense and the opportunity cost.

I don't think there is an easy solution to that. Eventually automation and immigration will have to balance out the [lack of] population growth.

jes the costs are high because of the human rights

automation doesn't work well with immigration because the population gets stupid and illiterate from third world immigrants. (with some exceptions)

[suchmoon]

jes the costs are high because of the human rights

No, it's because of the high cost of living.

Even if what you're saying was true, how would you expect to "remove" human rights in a way that reduces the cost of raising a child? To give up the kids into some government-run orphanages? Doesn't sound like that would encourage people to have more kids or that such kids would be a better solution than automation+immigration.

[KingScorpio]

jes the costs are high because of the human rights

No, it's because of the high cost of living.

Even if what you're saying was true, how would you expect to "remove" human rights in a way that reduces the cost of raising a child? To give up the kids into some government-run orphanages? Doesn't sound like that would encourage people to have more kids or that such kids would be a better solution than automation+immigration.

high costs of living -> personal demand for live standards (room for each child) -> human rights

it is the  same.

during industrial age in the western world families lived in a room with 10 and more children that was around 120 years ago in the west.

[suchmoon]

during industrial age in the western world families lived in a room with 10 and more children that was around 120 years ago in the west.

As appealing as it sounds, I doubt that many "western" people these days would want that for themselves or for their kids. Still waiting for your plan on how you'd force them into dorms and make them breed.

[KingScorpio]

during industrial age in the western world families lived in a room with 10 and more children that was around 120 years ago in the west.

As appealing as it sounds, I doubt that many "western" people these days would want that for themselves or for their kids. Still waiting for your plan on how you'd force them into dorms and make them breed.

with a social attitute in societies, society needs to build housing like it did building cars int he west, there is actually no other way, without population growth society will fall to the barbarians and savages, like you can see on greek turkish border.

then you get average life expectancy of 15 years like in somalia for everyone

[Meowth05]

Instead of using them as a workforce, why not educate them and teach fundamentals about finance in early stages of life, so that they will be knowledgeable about finance. Having children appreciate the value of every cent is better than letting them earn meager cash in which will be spent and not saved or invested.

[KingScorpio]

Instead of using them as a workforce, why not educate them and teach fundamentals about finance in early stages of life, so that they will be knowledgeable about finance. Having children appreciate the value of every cent is better than letting them earn meager cash in which will be spent and not saved or invested.

you can't educate people without having them to think they are free and not a commodity anymore, i think a polytheistic system like india is quite smart, out of countless family businesses that aren't very complex (like streed food sellers) offspring is emerging which then is being used in other much more gender neutral parts of the economy where family has lost nothing

[franky1]

oh king scorpio.. how little you know

if you think africa had 10 kids purely to use them as slave your wrong.
abolishing slavery did not cause people to have less kids

the real thing is that child death rates were high, so they had to reproduce extra just to get the odds up that enough survive to get to adulthood.

since then medicine got better, kids survived longer so parents didnt need to have as many kids. to keep the population flowing

yes back then the weaker, sicker kids were used for manual labour whilst the healthier kids were married off early. and yes that has changed where there is less 'arranged marriages' and slavery.
but with more adults living til 70 instead of 35 child labour is not needed. and with less unhealthy kid there is more supply and less demand for coupling healthy kids. so yes the ecosystem has changed. but its a good thing. not  bad thing.

farming technology means now one guy can harvest a whole field in a day where it would have took half a dozen people doing it by hand.

if you actually wants to know what is devestating developing countries. its developed countries taking over land illegally, dispursing the local population off the land illegally. and the making UN WHO worldbank fund 'relief'/'migration' programs to find new places for those locals to go.

if big-agri didnt invade africa.. africa would be more self sufficient

[KingScorpio]

oh king scorpio.. how little you know

if you think africa had 10 kids purely to use them as slave your wrong.
abolishing slavery did not cause people to have less kids

the real thing is that child death rates were high, so they had to reproduce extra just to get the odds up that enough survive to get to adulthood.

since then medicine got better, kids survived longer so parents didnt need to have as many kids. to keep the population flowing

yes back then the weaker, sicker kids were used for manual labour whilst the healthier kids were married off early. and yes that has changed where there is less 'arranged marriages' and slavery.
but with more adults living til 70 instead of 35 child labour is not needed. and with less unhealthy kid there is more supply and less demand for coupling healthy kids. so yes the ecosystem has changed. but its a good thing. not  bad thing.

farming technology means now one guy can harvest a whole field in a day where it would have took half a dozen people doing it by hand.

if you actually wants to know what is devestating developing countries. its developed countries taking over land illegally, dispursing the local population off the land illegally. and the making UN WHO worldbank fund 'relief'/'migration' programs to find new places for those locals to go.

if big-agri didnt invade africa.. africa would be more self sufficient

wrong africans are begging for western corproations to invest into them, they are just using migration and other garbage as an excuse for their racist invasions of other regions of the worlds.
humans will always try and find excuses and if not with facts that are true, they simply make up alternative facts.

african states are limiting africultural rights and enforce environment protection not because westerners want that, but because they wanted that too during colonialism.

secondly why are greeks or civilians in europe responsible for private enterpreneurs in africa that might have come from europe but also, where called by local warlords to come and invest into their country?
in your mind they are responsible because they are defenseless, forcing them to fix the broken lifes of africans, instead of looking for their own (is actually an extreme racist demand)

you should be ashamed of yourself, anticolonialism was a racist movement. now they try to get colonialism back in order to fix their poverty and they calll it today "investments"

[franky1]

wrong africans are begging for western corproations to invest into them, they are just using migration and other garbage as an excuse for their racist invasions of other regions of the worlds.
humans will always try and find excuses and if not with facts that are true, they simply make up alternative facts.

african states are limiting africultural rights and enforce environment protection not because westerners want that, but because they wanted that too during colonialism.

secondly why are greeks or civilians in europe responsible for private enterpreneurs in africa that might have come from europe but also, where called by local warlords to come and invest into their country?
in your mind they are responsible because they are defenseless, forcing them to fix the broken lifes of africans, instead of looking for their own (is actually an extreme racist demand)

you should be ashamed of yourself, anticolonialism was a racist movement. now they try to get colonialism back in order to fix their poverty and they call it today "investments"

african PEOPLE are not begging for western corporations..
its african elitists which say pay me some money and you can grab anyone elses land in africa and we will not prosecute you.
so thats what happened. over the last 70 years many africans have been displaced by foreigners.

it is only now that the african elites pockets are full and the bribery money has dried up, that the african elitists have changed tactics
yep just look at ethiopia. while normal africans displaced and cant grow their own food because they got not land elitist africans made skyscrapers and cities with their riches.

other countries have a responsibility now to shelter and take in migrants. because the things like UN and world bank know what the cause was and thats why countries give foreign aid donations far higher than domestic aid. its why countries get given quota's for how many refugee's/asylum seekers they can let it.

its not random.
please check history. not your opinion you formed recently and then tried seeking tipbit that back up your narrative.
please try to check the facts first then form an opinion.
it will help you more.

[KingScorpio]

wrong africans are begging for western corproations to invest into them, they are just using migration and other garbage as an excuse for their racist invasions of other regions of the worlds.
humans will always try and find excuses and if not with facts that are true, they simply make up alternative facts.

african states are limiting africultural rights and enforce environment protection not because westerners want that, but because they wanted that too during colonialism.

secondly why are greeks or civilians in europe responsible for private enterpreneurs in africa that might have come from europe but also, where called by local warlords to come and invest into their country?
in your mind they are responsible because they are defenseless, forcing them to fix the broken lifes of africans, instead of looking for their own (is actually an extreme racist demand)

you should be ashamed of yourself, anticolonialism was a racist movement. now they try to get colonialism back in order to fix their poverty and they call it today "investments"

african PEOPLE are not begging for western corporations..

jes they do, they now also hope elon musk and the twitter founders will give them jobs.

and those that don't beg are usually racists, or have no idea how money works. european industry has no reason to supply antieuropean countries, or racist movments.

other countries have no responsibility for those migrants, life isnt free if you don't work in africa for your country or one of its corporations you are free meat running around free to get eaten by lions hippos or snakes.

why do they never demand free money or loans or welfare from the lions or snakes but only from the white man? just run into a hoard of lions with a black lives matter sign and demand human rights and see if it works.

you are a pure retard and people like you are a main reason why this world is sick. you rather destroy parts of the world that work and are fixed, for the spread of the broken parts of the world and their broken societies and their spread.

i have zero respect for people like you.

if africans hated colonialism so much, then they should face the hard reality outside of it.

it never was great in africa also before colonialism, anticolonialism is just a black racist movment.

[franky1]

you really have not read a history book have you
it appears as if you are a fox news fan. your using their stereotypical language
you have shown big racial remarks about china and africa. but then pretend its them being racist.

please check the history books and see which side poked at which first.
.. by the way im still laughing at your naive about the ottoman empire and even the recent last 100 years of wars

im guessing your getting red faced and want to blame africans for the white invasion that chained up the africans and took them to america to be slaves.. go on show your racial and naive side. go on. show you blame them

[KingScorpio]

you really have not read a history book have you
it appears as if you are a fox news fan. your using their stereotypical language
you have shown big racial remarks about china and africa. but then pretend its them being racist.

please check the history books and see which side poked at which first.
.. by the way im still laughing at your naive about the ottoman empire and even the recent last 100 years of wars

im guessing your getting red faced and want to blame africans for the white invasion that chained up the africans and took them to america to be slaves.. go on show your racial and naive side. go on. show you blame them

you are a racist scumback, you are siding with these migrants and refugees, that want to enslave the greeks instead of caring for their own children, look into the mirror to see how disgusting you are siding with criminals in the middle east and africa that cause those wars and refugee streams and against western corporations that create jobs and income sources.

you are a retards an absolute retard and people like you are whats wrong with the western world, trump will clean the shit out of jackasses like you that have no idea whats going an and are siding with the savages.