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April 01, 2020, 06:07:41 PM
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Arbitrage trading is real and its not exists all the time to everyone that is why it is still not profitable to most of the traders who are trying it.When you see an opportunity then just grab it but don't expect it to happen all that time that is why we can't say anyone as arbitrage trader,its just a strategy to make some profits.
It seems to me that arbitrage trading requires a lot of attention and effort for a trader.  In essence, this is a trade that involves the sale and purchase of the same asset in different markets, where the price is significantly different.  It seems to me that due to volatility, arbitrage trading is developing very poorly in the cryptocurrency market and interest in this direction of trade can quickly be trusted, but since there are a fairly large number of cryptocurrency exchanges, the field of activity for the trader who are involved in arbitrage trading is almost unlimited today  day.
It's true that arbitrage trading requires more attention and most especially time because you need to actively monitor the price of each asset in and out on different exchanges to make a profit from it. Arbitrage trading also need a bigger capital due to the fees you will spend on exchanges.

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April 01, 2020, 08:06:36 PM
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I think it is unethical to lure people with irrealistic expectations when considering arbitrage and to not warn them about the extreme danger on the long run of trying this. There is no such thing as free lunch in the markets; price differences always have reasons, which mean that 99,9% are untradable because either the exchange is shutdown, nodes are under maintenance, withdrawals are suspended,
Arbitrage trading actually wasn't an unethical technique to lure into any form of bad expectation or exercise for is a form of trading where traders are able to profit from the market price momentum but it requires some level of knowledge about crypto trading and equipment before a trader can be a profitable arbitrage trade.

exchange is a scam, or because the volatility is temporarily extreme and that it is nearly suicidal to even try it
You’d better educate yourself and try your luck with mid-long term trading strategies which have been yielding solid returns until now, rather than trying this near zero profit business only accessible to the most advanced and well funded traders.
Keeping huge fund on an exchange site is not advisable and every crypto trader most not use an exchange site he didnt trust but exchange site that integrated SAFU are still good option.
Meanwhile, i agree with the part of people to educate themselve but arbitrage is still good for an educated trader.

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April 02, 2020, 09:22:56 AM
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Now that there are rarely significant differences in exchanges, it is now difficult to arbitrage because when there are price differences in exchanges most of them now occur because they are making repairs or experiencing problems. In contrast to a few years ago that was still profitable.
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April 03, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
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Arbitrage doesn't always happen when you are dealing with bad exchanges or stuff like that, it usually happens between local exchanges that not everyone knows of. Just to give an example, lets say there is X nation and they have X dollars they use in that nation, there is also Y nation and Y dollars they use, there is also USD which is american dollars.

In x nation 1 dollar is 2 xdollars, in y nation 1 dollar is 3 ydollars, which means when bitcoin is 1 dollars it should be 2 xdollars and 3 ydollars. What happens is that price suddenly becomes 1.8 xdollars somewhere and 3.2 ydollars somewhere else. Now, if you are a person with bank account in both of those nations, and you have enough money to transfer from one to another and lose profit, you can actually arbitrage.

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April 03, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
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knowing the risks before you trade arbitrarily is a very good thing to know about it. I have seen several people try to do that, but the fact is that one of the exchanges does not allow the withdrawal or exchange of the token. Well, that is the risk of arbitration, and other risks, you could be late selling it. however, arbit is not recommended, because it has a greater risk. if you want to do that make sure the exchange is reliable and not in trouble.

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April 03, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
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knowing the risks before you trade arbitrarily is a very good thing to know about it.
That's correct because knowing the risk involved in every crypto trading and investment is very indispensable but people not well informed about the consequences of crypto trading are who make the OP to think arbitrage trading is a scam scheme and i believe the OP is also among the people who are not well informed due to his understanding about arbitrage trading.
Knowledge is power and it better to have knowledge about crypto trsding and investment before diving into it.





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April 03, 2020, 07:04:43 PM
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I would like to inform you a little about my arbitrage trading and my experiences. Yes, arbitrage allows you to make very good money when it is done in a knowledgeable and correct way, but it can cause you to do serious damage with your slightest mistake. In addition, in cases where you are not at fault, some problems may occur depending on the service you are using and therefore you may suffer. One of the most important factors to consider when making arbitrage will be the supply and demand ratio that occurs in both services that have a difference. If there is a balanced supply and demand between the two services, then our first condition is met. The second factor to pay attention to is that the deposit and withdrawal options of the option to be traded should be active and smooth in both services. If this has been achieved without any problems, there is one last detail to be done. It is to control the network structure used by the cryptocurrency to be traded. In the absence of density and problems in the network structure being used, if the same network structure is used in both services, the last factor will be confirmed and all approvals for arbitrage will be completed. After all these checks, it is still useful to be cautious because artificial intelligence products developed with some special software can prevent such opportunities. In short, arbitrage seems simple, but it is a gain method to be very careful about. If I think that it is very difficult to make money with this method today, I would recommend not using it unless there is a serious opportunity for earning.

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If you know what arbitrage is and how sensitive it can be you wouldn't be basically lured into it because you would know how hard to do it before you do it.

For example, there was a guy who got API from all the local exchanges in our nation, there was 5 websites and all of them had their own independent exchange anyway so one can be 20k while other is 10k, not realistic of course but technically speaking it can be, since they are all independent.

So, he calculated each of their costs, from withdrawing to trading and withdrawing back again, he basically made a "bot" or a signal or whatever you want to call it, that calculates about 3%+ difference in the prices, and would tell you if you should do it or not, if you had a decent amount of money, you could try it, but at the same time the gap could have closed until you did it.


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April 03, 2020, 10:28:37 PM
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I strongly agree to avoid arbitrage trading, because the risk is enormous. Especially for newbies, don't do it arbitrage trading if you do not
want to end up with a loss. It is true that everyone has the right to do what they think they can bring in profit. But if it has a very high risk,
it should be avoided in my opinion. Because there are still many other ways that are safer and can bring big profits.

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April 04, 2020, 03:15:06 AM
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I have always been trading within the crypto market but haven't done arbitrage trading and have little idea about it However one of my friends remembered many losses and lost enough money. Later he closed it. I feel arbitrage trading is far better than ordinary trading. Here you'll earn a little amount of profit if not an excessive amount of But in arbitrage trading the losses from gains are very high and there are many risks.
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These days the only people who can do arbitrage are those with large capital and bots which do the arbitrage for them. Basically on exchanges they are called market makers and hence why many derivative platforms pay a maker fees to ensure that there is liquidity both ways.

There was actually a great opportunity the day that BTC crashed to $3200 last month. On Bitmex there was a $400-$500 price difference. Since I had BTC on a spot exchange and Bitmex, I went LONG on bitmex at a $400 discount and sold on the spot exchange, then 2-3 days later I closed the trade. I was almost 7% or so profit for almost no risk. Well there was risk if you overleveraged yourself and got liquidated. So this is proof that arbitrage works, however the above exchange is extremely rare. In most days you can't normally arbitrage like that.





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April 04, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
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You need to think or calculate the time consuming to send the amount if you don't have balance in two exchanges. For example, you buy bitcoin at $6,500 in A exchange, and in B exchange, the price is $6,550, but you never know how long the bitcoin will arrive in the B exchange. Besides that, you need to think about the fee in both exchanges because you buy in A exchange and sell in B exchange.

It's difficult to do arbitrage trading, but if you want to try, just be careful and make sure you know that is right for you.

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Arbitrage is not legal. It just way of trading where the trader takes the advantage of the spread available in different exchanges. This difference in price can also be coz of the buy and sell volume available at that exchange.

It is not that arbitrage is very hard to do. There are very rare opputunity to get the difference but, there are bots designed that detect the differences. If you have problem with any exchange for deposit and withdrawal then you can exclude that for arbitrage as arbitrage is done in very small time window. 

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I think it is unethical to lure people with irrealistic expectations when considering arbitrage and to not warn them about the extreme danger on the long run of trying this. There is no such thing as free lunch in the markets; price differences always have reasons, which mean that 99,9% are untradable because either the exchange is shutdown, nodes are under maintenance, withdrawals are suspended, exchange is a scam, or because the volatility is temporarily extreme and that it is nearly suicidal to even try it
You’d better educate yourself and try your luck with mid-long term trading strategies which have been yielding solid returns until now, rather than trying this near zero profit business only accessible to the most advanced and well funded traders.


There were times when arbitrage trading used to give profits. Yes, you heard it right. I personally made profits from arbitrage trade but the last arbritrage trade I performed was is the year 2018. After that, I can't see any huge price fluctuations in between the (reputed) exchanges. Also withdrawal fees are skyrocketing which would never make you earn even a few bucks in buying from one exchange & selling on another exchange.

There are a number of scammers which are using arbitrage as their keyword. One of the worst scam I recently went through was bituary exchange. They almost have bitcoin price difference by $500-$600 & when bitcoins are traded at $6500 on binance, they literally buy bitcoins for $7000. There is no way to make profits such way and the only thing we would have is "HUGE LOSS".


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Arbitrage is not legal. It just way of trading where the trader takes the advantage of the spread available in different exchanges. This difference in price can also be coz of the buy and sell volume available at that exchange.

It is not that arbitrage is very hard to do. There are very rare opputunity to get the difference but, there are bots designed that detect the differences. If you have problem with any exchange for deposit and withdrawal then you can exclude that for arbitrage as arbitrage is done in very small time window. 

Did you make a typo and meant to say "Arbitrage is legal" instead of "not legal" because its not illegal. And most exchanges actually want you to arbitrage because it provides a tighter spread and adds liquidity to the market and more volume for the exchanges.

This is actually why exchanges in general charge you a lower fee or pay you a fee to be a market maker instead of a taker, because they want the added liquidity to make sure there are no crazy spikes on their exchanges.

So you are allowed to do this, however without a large capital across many exchanges and programming experience its very difficult if not impossible to do manually.





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There is no such thing as free lunch in the markets; price differences always have reasons, which mean that 99,9% are untradable because either the exchange is shutdown, nodes are under maintenance, withdrawals are suspended, exchange is a scam, or because the volatility is temporarily extreme and that it is nearly suicidal to even try it
I agree and disagree at the same time here. Nothing is free or comes into our pocket without efforts. But, unlike you mentioned, I have completed many successful arbitrage trading across exchanges hence I cannot agree trying arbitrage trading is suicidal. In my view it has less risky and instant profits but spotting them is too hard. We need to spend more time on multiple exchanges and need to trade in quick manner to catch the price differences.

The reasons you have mentioned are practical as I have seen only due to "non-trade-able" conditions the price differences are appearing which means there is no actual arbitrage opportunity lies there. But, with few low volume trading pairs, we may spot out price differences but this needs lots of patience and dedications.

You’d better educate yourself and try your luck with mid-long term trading strategies which have been yielding solid returns until now, rather than trying this near zero profit business only accessible to the most advanced and well funded traders.
Mid to long term strategies are cup of tea for most traders still calling arbitrage opportunities as near zero profit business is inappropriate. I am sure about spotting an arbitrage trading monthly once and its profit level varies based on volume yet I believe it worth to risk.

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April 06, 2020, 10:11:57 AM
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[...]We need to spend more time on multiple exchanges and need to trade in quick manner to catch the price differences.[...]

Or use a trading bot that facilitates arbitrage...

PS there is BTW also intra-exchange arbitrage, besides the inter-exchange arbitrage you are talking about...

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In my own understanding, arbitration is like buying at a low price and selling it on another exchange at a high price, But I guess this will only work if the other exchange has a little trading volume and other one has high volume with active users and there comes arbitration to grab the opportunity. I think it is worth it if you have a decent capital, if not you will end up losing on withdrawal fees unless you will use currency like xrp or trx for lesser fees. Don't try to arbitrage on sh*tcoin exchanges they have huge withdrawal fees and your funds might be trap there for a long time.
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In my own understanding, arbitration is like buying at a low price and selling it on another exchange at a high price, But I guess this will only work if the other exchange has a little trading volume and other one has high volume with active users and there comes arbitration to grab the opportunity. I think it is worth it if you have a decent capital, if not you will end up losing on withdrawal fees unless you will use currency like xrp or trx for lesser fees. Don't try to arbitrage on sh*tcoin exchanges they have huge withdrawal fees and your funds might be trap there for a long time.
And most of all, they are also using bot to attract traders to send funds to their exchange, arbitrage trading works if you are good paying attentions with certain movements of coins that you are targeting. Traders uses different sites to search and learn from how to anticipate sorted projects to use for this type of trading strategy. If you are good in analyzing even in a small form of profits you'll be able to materialized this system.

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In my own understanding, arbitration is like buying at a low price and selling it on another exchange at a high price, But I guess this will only work if the other exchange has a little trading volume and other one has high volume with active users and there comes arbitration to grab the opportunity. I think it is worth it if you have a decent capital, if not you will end up losing on withdrawal fees unless you will use currency like xrp or trx for lesser fees. Don't try to arbitrage on sh*tcoin exchanges they have huge withdrawal fees and your funds might be trap there for a long time.
Yes that is what arbitrage trading is. It requires having a good amount of capital to make a decent profit from it. You should first know the withdrawal fee on the exchange you will buy the asset you want to trade because if the fees are ridiculously high there is a chance that you might lose on arbitrage trading. You also need to have a quick judgment and quick hands to see the price of other assets in every exchange because it change too fast and you might lose if you are moving slowly. I've lost on arbitrage trading before because of the slow internet connection and it sucks because I bought a large amount of asset that time and I lose too much capital.

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