Coronavirus tests include the common cold. Typically 20% positive.

[Elwar]

They're including people with a common cold in the results. Which are typically 20% positive.



https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065352718300010?via%3Dihub#bb0035


"All of the coronavirus tests being used by public health agencies and private labs around the world start with a technique called polymerase chain reaction, or PCR"
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-testing-diagnostic-covid19-united-states


According to the numbers on this article: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html
the rate of infection of those tested is 13.5%

Well below the normal 20% rate that people typically have of coronavirus.

They let those test numbers slip, nowhere else do they ever show the rate of infection. Only the "rising numbers" (as they test more people).

13.5% of people tested have a cold.

And when they die of a head injury, they do a quick PCR test on their blood. If they find the coronavirus. "They died a Coronavirus related death".

[gmaxwell]

This is misinformation, the test they are administering for covid19 is absolutely specific to the RNA of sars-cov-2. So much so, there have even been problems with false negatives from tests in some countries because some have been mistakenly checking parts that have genetic variation in the population.  Some really good engineering is required to avoid making the test too specific.

"All of the coronavirus tests being used by public health agencies and private labs around the world start with a technique called polymerase chain reaction, or PCR"
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-testing-diagnostic-covid19-united-states

Absolutely true! These rt-pcr tests work by amplifying the RNA (genetic code) in a sample and then searching for template matches with prepared chunks of genetic code specific to the virus being tested for.

the rate of infection of those tested is 13.5%

The reason this is high is because most of the tests are being used on people with symptoms. Unfortunately, even when you have the sars-cov-2 virus the tests are sometimes negative too, because the sample didn't manage to collect enough virus.

[franky1]

im taking gmax's side on this one.

but with a little caveate
some poor countries were using old tests and diagnosing based on symptoms.
heck some hospital staff were even using trash bags as disposible polythene aprons because they were not prepared.
(hard to be prepared for something new)

however this is what the self isolation is all about. not to make people immune now. but to delay the spread. so that countries can prepare to actually test, treat future patients when the isolation rules are relaxed.
yep this is why manufacturers are only just now making ventilators and scrubs and masks and tests. to have stock ready for when they make people mingle.

this is just the beginning. not the end of the event

[PrimeNumber7]

The published numbers on the number of cases and the number of deaths do not really give a good picture of the seriousness of the coronavirus problem.

The number of published cases is largely a function of the number of tests performed, which is supply limited. Testing is being limited to those with current symptoms, so weekly trends will still hold true somewhat. There is however strong evidence that the Chinese coronavirus is highly contagious, including before you show symptoms. I would go as far as to say that it is unreasonable to dispute that the number of cases is increasing at an exponential rate (with the exponent being above "1"). By some estimates, the number of actual cases is 20x or more than that of the number of cases being reported; this is due to most people display no or mild symptoms, and that not everyone is getting tested.

As a result of my last point above, the death rate is likely to be much lower than the numbers imply. An outsized number of deaths of those with coronavirus also have underlying health conditions, some may have died regardless of contracting coronavirus, and some may have died in the coming months if they had not succumbed to coronavirus. It is unclear how much either of these factors affects the death rate because the granular data is not being reported. The lack of data also makes it difficult to create Machine Learning models to predict who will get seriously ill if they contract coronavirus (you can't do it). There are also elevated numbers of deaths in some towns in Italy that are much higher than historical averages. it is probable many of these deaths were caused by coronavirus indirectly or directly.

[franky1]

99% of people are self isolating..
huge majority of people have yet to actually get it.

the 1% that have had it and the even smaller % that have died.. are all small scale compared to the numbers to come once self isolation relaxes when governments think they can be supplied and ready enough for more spread

self isolation is not a cure/immunisation period. its the calm before the storm
think about it
US has >300m.. yet there have not yet been 3m(1%) cases..
out of just ~250k cases =5k deaths..

multiply 250k cases by 12.. then again by 100 and what to expect if full population tested after time without isolation
multiply 5k deaths by 12 then again by 100 of what to expect after time without isolation

and you will come to more of an idea of the extent yet to come once the rest of the country has it.
this is why they are sing this staling/delay period to get tests ready get staff trained, get meds ready, beds ready.

[tvbcof]

Gifted scientist (wanky1 maybe?) proves covid-19 beyond a shadow of a doubt:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAZsqG8a0ZY

[madnessteat]

~snip~

If I am not mistaken that this epidemic has gone down it is necessary that people have developed a collective immunity and for this purpose it is necessary that 60-70% of people became ill with coronavirus and cured.

Self-isolation is the only way not to create an overflow of hospitals. Because if we all get sick at the same time we just do not have enough medical equipment to support life in critical cases.

So follow the guidelines and stay at home.

[BADecker]

But the point is something else entirely. Here is what it is. Go to LUMINIST ARCHIVES at http://www.luminist.org/archives/. Scroll down and count the number of science fiction books and stories listed.

The point? Is there a way that we can tell whether or not any reports are fiction and which ones? Just because a bunch of people say this or that is true, and because they say it over and over, this doesn't make it true.

In something as severe as Coronavirus seems to be, we need to have a bunch of courtroom courts, with expert witnesses explaining process and showing the proof that they have for their explanations.

So far the CV thing is a panic way more than it is a pandemic.

[franky1]

many families are saying about how their relatives died.
many have been suffering from the mild symptoms

many health care workers are saying how there aint enough beds. and not enough equipment

numbers seem low because this is the delay stage not the mass spread stage
when things cool down in months+ then there will be public inquiries and evidence given and that can lead onto legal stuff..

badecker you are the kind of guy that hears that a tree is planted. but before its even been watered your complaining that you have not seen it grow any fruit yet.

your not realising it is still at the early stage.
just wake up

the reason why 'numbers a re low' in regards to only 1m cases world wide but 7 billion..
is because out of 1m cases and ~50k deaths. (5% of under 1%pop(0.05%)) .. this small 0.05% represents alot of people. which there are not enough ICU beds before now to cope if all 7 billion got it in one go.

do the maths. and realise the death numbers and critical need number s will go up.
we are still in the delay stage before the start... not near the finish line
please just think and research and actually learn a few things.

[Elwar]

I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?

[franky1]

I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?

no its just called using a common word. an easy buzzword.
its like saying 'bike'
without being specific if its a BMX or a Yamaha.

[tvbcof]

I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?

no its just called using a common word. an easy buzzword.
its like saying 'bike'
without being specific if its a BMX or a Yamaha.

Gee, just last week anyone who DIDN'T use the full correct word 'covid-19' in just the right manner was to be totally ignored.  What a difference a day makes...in propaganda-land.

The other label for the viron itself was 'ncov-19' or some such.  That sounded to much like the word used in 'exersise 201'.  You know, the Bill Gates funded 'simulation' about a theoretical coronavirus that happened six weeks before the 'first outbreak' in China (and subsequent to Ft. Detrich weapons labs in Maryland being shut down for releases and a spate of mysterious 'pneumonia clusters'.)  The reason it sounded so similar was that it was the exact word they used for the 'fictional' coronavirus.  So, it was changed to 'SARS-cov-2'.

But of course "Nothing to see here folks; move along."

[franky1]

"corona" is like Bike or car
a n umbrella term thats been around for many decades

however this years varient popped up that no one had the chance to ratify it with a snazzy comfortable buzzword
no one likes alphanumeric stuff.. EG H1N1 they prefer a friendlier name like ebola
so yea people trying to say covid19 or sars cov 2 just isnt pleasing to the mouth

so most people just grabbed onto the umbrella term of corona. because its short.
yea they may decide later to call it something like WUWERS to indicate its orogin of wuhan wetmarket
just like MERS indicates middle east

but for now people just using common words that please thier mouth to say without getting to grammar nazi deflecting the actual context of the rest of the conversation being said

[Elwar]

Remember this when they test you.

[BADecker]

Remember this when they test you.

Thanks, Elwar. Looks kinda uncomfortable. I think I won't go in for any CV testing.

[tvbcof]

Remember this when they test you.

Thanks, Elwar. Looks kinda uncomfortable. I think I won't go in for any CV testing.

Good choice!  These Dr. Mengele types are so desperate for more victims of their little plandemic and get you hooked on Big Pharma product that this is probably how they make sure they infect you.

[franky1]

2 people above dont have to worry.
basement dwellers dont social and touch people to get it.

their way prevent getting it is to stay stay away people

they pretend to hate chemical companies. but then megadose themselves with chemicals
very strange way to live

[gmaxwell]

I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

For the reasons mentioned above, testing generally for any coronavirus would be pretty useless because there are many coronaviruses that humans commonly get which cause few to no symptoms and aren't any big risk.  I mean, if you're going to scam people might as well just throw the swab out and totally make up a fake result.

The media has even stopped referring to it as COVID-19 and are using the term "coronavirus disease". Is this just to cover their ass?

That's the same as anything else in the news, people call it all sorts of things-- like the telephone game.  The media doesn't mind just telling outright lies when they feel like it,  why would they start now bothering to cover their ass?

[BADecker]

2 people above dont have to worry.
basement dwellers dont social and touch people to get it.

their way prevent getting it is to stay stay away people

they pretend to hate chemical companies. but then megadose themselves with chemicals
very strange way to live

You know this from personal experience, right?     

[tvbcof]

I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.

For the reasons mentioned above, testing generally for any coronavirus would be pretty useless because there are many coronaviruses that humans commonly get which cause few to no symptoms and aren't any big risk.  I mean, if you're going to scam people might as well just throw the swab out and totally make up a fake result.

from: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262588/UK-coronavirus-news-boris-johnson-covid-19-testing-kits-death-infection-rates-latest

The government has been stung by criticism over its slow response to testing people for the virus and currently lags far behind other countries, such as the US and South Korea. To bridge the gap, Number 10 has ordered thousands of kits from private enterprises, including from a Luxembourg company, Eurofins. On Monday, Eurofins sent an email to government laboratories, warning that a key component known as “probes and primers” had been contaminated with the coronavirus, according to the Daily Telegraph.

Doesn't say whether the coronavirus was SARS-cov-2, or whether it is on the swab they stick up your nose until it practically touches the brainstem or not (which, obviously, may produce some health risks.)  Doubt it would be on the swab, but I also doubt that the contamination contributes to testing accuracy.  In the way I define 'accuracy' at least.

I couldn't help but notice that it doesn't seem like the 'doctor' who circulated the fun little drawing was exactly encouraging people to rush out and get a test.  Just sayin.

As a matter of fact, it seems like every effort in the world is made to NOT understand the background infection rate in the United States, or any other country in the world.  I've bitched about that on other threads.  It bothers me because I'm kind of n science geek and systems analyst, and I have an idea of what kind of data is necessary to make what kinds of scientific and policy inferences.  The denominator in the mortality equation being one such desirable numeric.