Coronavirus hoax in Italy

[Mad7Scientist]

Here is an article right here that shows how many deaths happened in the past.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

In the 2016/2017 flu shot season they lost 24,981 people in Italy due to influenza, mostly elderly. As of April 2, 2020, they're reporting 13,915 deaths in Italy due to COVID-19. It still has a while to go to catch up to the 2017 season.

Now there have been sources stating that the amount of deaths has been under reported. I don't know what to think about that. But their official numbers are within what's normal.

Highlights

 In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.

    More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.

    Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.

Abstract
Objectives

In recent years, Italy has been registering peaks in death rates, particularly among the elderly during the winter season. Influenza epidemics have been indicated as one of the potential determinants of such an excess. The objective of our study was to estimate the influenza-attributable contribution to excess mortality during the influenza seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17 in Italy.
Methods

We used the EuroMomo and the FluMomo methods to estimate the annual trend of influenza-attributable excess death rate by age group. Population data were provided by the National Institute of Statistics, data on influenza like illness and confirmed influenza cases were provided by the National Institutes of Health. As an indicator of weekly influenza activity (IA) we adopted the Goldstein index, which is the product of the percentage of patients seen with influenza-like illness (ILI) and percentage of influenza-positive specimens, in a given week.
Results

We estimated excess deaths of 7,027, 20,259, 15,801 and 24,981 attributable to influenza epidemics in the 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17, respectively, using the Goldstein index. The average annual mortality excess rate per 100,000 ranged from 11.6 to 41.2 with most of the influenza-associated deaths per year registered among the elderly. However children less than 5 years old also reported a relevant influenza attributable excess death rate in the 2014/15 and 2016/17 seasons (1.05/100,000 and 1.54/100,000 respectively).
Conclusions

Over 68,000 deaths were attributable to influenza epidemics in the study period. The observed excess of deaths is not completely unexpected, given the high number of fragile very old subjects living in Italy. In conclusion, the unpredictability of the influenza virus continues to present a major challenge to health professionals and policy makers. Nonetheless, vaccination remains the most effective means for reducing the burden of influenza, and efforts to increase vaccine coverage and the introduction of new vaccine strategies (such as vaccinating healthy children) should be considered to reduce the influenza attributable excess mortality experienced in Italy and in Europe in the last seasons.

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The virus does seem to be continuing to grow internationally in many countries, especially those with aggressive vaccine programs. So maybe Italy's extreme sanitation measures stopped this from becoming very bad like the media is telling it will be, or maybe they are actually under reporting the numbers? Some people say it's fake, and other sources say it's being under reported.

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[mindrust]

It was explained many times before.

Corona isn't going to disappear like flu unless there is an effective cure. The deaths are around only 10k in Italy... for now.

What's your excuse gonna be when we see 100k+ deaths in a few months?

[franky1]

topic creator mindset
'each year 365 stupid people of 365 stupid people die due to being stupid'
'i didnt die today so i can be stupid all year round and never die

reality.. results show maybe not today.. but one day this year you will

..
what im trying to say is a scope of 12 months of no isolation flu =~25k/year =~2k/month lets call it 3k for month and a half

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well even with isolation.. corona this year.. with only a month and a half of stats.. again even with social isolation =14k
over 4x more.. deadly than the flu..
and it would be even worse without the isolation

so put them numbers into context
3k flu vs 14k corona same average time period

have a nice day

[BADecker]

topic creator mindset
'each year 365 stupid people of 365 stupid people die due to being stupid'
'i didnt die today so i can be stupid all year round and never die

have a nice day

The day isn't over, yet^^.

Approximately 100% of the so-called CV deaths in Italy have not been certified that it was CV that did it.

[franky1]

Approximately 100% of the so-called CV deaths in Italy have not been certified that it was CV that did it.

approximately 100% of your posts were wrote without any actual thought, understanding or research

[BADecker]

Approximately 100% of the so-called CV deaths in Italy have not been certified that it was CV that did it.

approximately 100% of your posts were wrote without any actual thought, understanding or research

My IQ is so high that I don't have to think about stuff like this to know and write the truth.

[franky1]

Approximately 100% of the so-called CV deaths in Italy have not been certified that it was CV that did it.

approximately 100% of your posts were wrote without any actual thought, understanding or research

My IQ is so high that I don't have to think about stuff like this to know and write the truth.

high. . as in bleach induced mind altering experience

[BADecker]

Reports are coming in from around the world that hospitals are losing business because there is nobody there. People who have the flu are staying away because they are scared they might be quarantined. In Italy, flu (CV) cases are down compared with normal at this time of year.

[franky1]

Reports are coming in from around the world that hospitals are losing business because there is nobody there. People who have the flu are staying away because they are scared they might be quarantined. In Italy, flu (CV) cases are down compared with normal at this time of year.

everyone is self isolating.. sick or fit
if you mean hospitalised.. no. only those who are in respiratory distress are being hospitalised for corona. most countries are telling those symptomless/mild to just stay home

seriously, get off the conspiracy websites

[BADecker]

Reports are coming in from around the world that hospitals are losing business because there is nobody there. People who have the flu are staying away because they are scared they might be quarantined. In Italy, flu (CV) cases are down compared with normal at this time of year.

everyone is self isolating.. sick or fit
if you mean hospitalised.. no. only those who are in respiratory distress are being hospitalised for corona. most countries are telling those symptomless/mild to just stay home

seriously, get off the conspiracy websites

Thank you. But it isn't self-isolating from the CV scare. It's self-isolating from medical tyranny. Who wants to be strapped to a hospital forced quarantine?

In Texas, in major airports, if you fly in, the authorities quarantine you for 2 weeks on the spot. They won't even let you fly back home. People who check ahead don't fly... they drive. In the same way, people are staying out of the hospitals.

But if the so-called pandemic were real, people would be dropping like flies, thereby being willing to get hospital help just to save their own lives. They aren't doing this. The CV panic is false, but it is being propagated by Media and Medical, both of which are tricking government people to believe it.

So, we live in this stupidity like we are living in a Communist country of the 1960s.

Btw, get onto the conspiracy websites so you get the truth.

[mindrust]

But if the so-called pandemic were real, people would be dropping like flies, thereby being willing to get hospital help just to save their own lives. They aren't doing this. The CV panic is false, but it is being propagated by Media and Medical, both of which are tricking government people to believe it.

People do drop like flies. It is just, most of them are old people and old people are usually wealthy. That's what the panic is for. Wealthy old people are dying. Can you Imagine? Wealthy old white people in New York are dying in drones. You would panic af too if you were old. (and wealthy)

I know it depends on the viral load and a healthy young people can get sick too but these are exceptional cases. Old people usually suffer more and yes, they do die, a lot.

See ir yourself:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[BADecker]

But if the so-called pandemic were real, people would be dropping like flies, thereby being willing to get hospital help just to save their own lives. They aren't doing this. The CV panic is false, but it is being propagated by Media and Medical, both of which are tricking government people to believe it.

People do drop like flies. It is just, most of them are old people and old people are usually wealthy. That's what the panic is for. Wealthy old people are dying. Can you Imagine? Wealthy old white people in New York are dying in drones. You would panic af too if you were old. (and wealthy)

I know it depends on the viral load and a healthy young people can get sick too but these are exceptional cases. Old people usually suffer more and yes, they do die, a lot.

See ir yourself:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's not any more than the past 10 years. In fact, influenza-like disease was worse in 2017. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCnpPjUvdLM.

[royalfestus]

It was explained many times before.

Corona isn't going to disappear like flu unless there is an effective cure. The deaths are around only 10k in Italy... for now.

What's your excuse gonna be when we see 100k+ deaths in a few months?

Whenever i see the prediction of over 100k+, whereby expecting worse senerio,I like to ask if the death for the masses or the less privilege? If we understand that this crisis can hit anyone, old and young even those without underlining ailment unlike earlier predicted. We might have to have to give more urgency to adopt any provision for cure. China has given enough example and we understand that the whole country may not have to die before we arrest the situation.

[Febo]

Here is an article right here that shows how many deaths happened in the past.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

In the 2016/2017 flu shot season they lost 24,981 people in Italy due to influenza, mostly elderly. As of April 2, 2020, they're reporting 13,915 deaths in Italy due to COVID-19. It still has a while to go to catch up to the 2017 season.

If you add to covid-19 deaths the people that died this year due to influenza you will for sure get way higher number as the one in 2017.

[franky1]

In Texas, in major airports, if you fly in, the authorities quarantine you for 2 weeks on the spot. They won't even let you fly back home. People who check ahead don't fly... they drive. In the same way, people are staying out of the hospitals.

badecker. you dug another hole for yourself

at airports people have to fill out a form proving info about a location that the person chooses such as the hotel or friend/relative they came to texas in the first place to go to.. and say that they will stay in that location for 14 days or until they want to leave texas

again this is not texas locking people up in detention camps.
this is texas telling people to go straight to their friend/relative/hotel and stay there.
why

because thats what self isolation is

stop with your conspiracy theories. your trying to make it sound like people are being arrested and detained in similar things to migration camps.. they are not. they are just being told not to go running around random places as if its a vacation..
to instead self isolate like other people

as son as you sai the word texas airport. i stopped and thought. i bet he has never been there and had first hand knowledge and is about to say some flawed conspiracy.... i read on.. and yep, you said another stupid thing that has no merit

[BADecker]

In Texas, in major airports, if you fly in, the authorities quarantine you for 2 weeks on the spot. They won't even let you fly back home. People who check ahead don't fly... they drive. In the same way, people are staying out of the hospitals.

badecker. you dug another hole for yourself

at airports people are screened for it. and have to fill out a form of a location that the person chooses such as the hotel or friend/relative they came to texas in the first place to go to.. and say that they will stay in that location for 14 days or until they want to leave texas

again this is not texas locking people up in detention camps.
this is texas telling people to go straight to their friend/relative/hotel and stay there.
why

because thats what self isolation is

stop with your conspiracy theories. your trying to make it sound like peole are being arrested and detained in similar things to migration camps.. they are not. they are just being told not to go running around random places as if its a vacation..
to instead self isolate like other people

You forgot the part about if they fly in. And, this may have been cancelled lately. But if you are going to fly, call ahead to find out what will happen.

[franky1]

You forgot the part about if they fly in. And, this may have been cancelled lately. But if you are going to fly, call ahead to find out what will happen.

stupid idiots that want to go to texas to ramble/hike/tour randomly and lick door knobs. will find that they will not have an enjoyable vacation because they will be told to go find some hotel and stay there for 14 days or go back home out of texas.

so yea a-holes ignoring the self isolation will not get the vacation they are hoping for.
do you get what self isolation is all about yet.

this is not vacations time..

heck i travel the world alot. and i cancelled all my flights.. why.. because i know its not the right time to tour different countries. this is isolation time

i know you are or must be having withdrawal symptoms of not being allowed to be a window licker or doorknob sucker.. but this is time to wise up, be a man and actually do something for a responsible reason. not for a selfish reason

[BADecker]

You forgot the part about if they fly in. And, this may have been cancelled lately. But if you are going to fly, call ahead to find out what will happen.

stupid idiots that want to go to texas to ramble/hike/tour randomly and lick door knobs. will find that they will not have an enjoyable vacation because they will be told to go find some hotel and stay there for 14 days or go back home out of texas.

so yea a-holes ignoring the self isolation will not get the vacation they are hoping for.
do you get what self isolation is all about yet.

this is not vacations time..

heck i travel the world alot. and i cancelled all my flights.. why.. because i know its not the right time to tour different countries. this is isolation time

i know you are or must be having withdrawal symptoms of not being allowed to be a window licker or doorknob sucker.. but this is time to wise up, be a man and actually do something for a responsible reason. not for a selfish reason

You lost.

But you don't have to start sounding like Vod. Do you lick, too?

News coming in shows that Italy CV was a hoax.

[Jet Cash]

I wish they would split the death stats into those who die with the Corina Virus, and those who die from it.

[franky1]

I wish they would split the death stats into those who die with the Corina Virus, and those who die from it.

if you get shot with a gun, and die due to blood loss or blood infection due to a gunshot.. but have covid.. you will not be a covid death stat...

if your shot. and in hospital get co-vid from a nurse and unreated to gunshot symptoms. you start having respiratory imflamation needing ventilator and inflammatories that are linked to covid infections. you will be a covid stat if you die

if you have a heart attack and die from heart attack symptoms and not pneaumonia(respiratory imflamation). your not going to be a covid stat.

if you have a heart condition. and get covid. and your heart condition does not help you fight covid. and your lungs become imflammed and need respiratory support and anti-inflammatory and such. but you die because the pneaumonia just got too much for our body to handle.
you will be a covid death stat.

..
lets make it real simple
if you only have a fever due to covid. but get in a car, and end up having a car accident. you will be a road traffic stat.


what you need to know is this
the ONS (they dont report to the worldometer or the media) report it with death mentioned whether cause or not
ONS gather data from the office of death certificate registrations

but worldometer/media get reports direct from DHSC who get it from hospitals direct from doctors who have treated patients and know who died from corona related respiratory issues.

so while conspiracy theorists play mind games about things like the ONS..
the UK and government are getting their data from DHSC.. NOT ONS