Coronavirus hoax in Italy

[BADecker]

your the bible believer and now ur saying some how that its me that thinks its fact and i said its fact?
you really do not know how to understand basics.

typical tactic.
when you cant prove something. you then deny that you said it or deny you referenced it and accuse the other person of referencing it and believing it..
you really have no sense of reality

Sometimes it's a little difficult understanding what you mean by what you say.

God wants us to believe Him through evidences of things that He says. He shows us proofs about things He said in the past that turned out the way He predicted them. This is so that we can be encouraged to believe Him for things of our future, especially salvation things. The Bible is Gods book of proofs.

What this means is that there are proofs, but the thing that God wants is simple trust in Him for many of the things He says.

As anybody can see, machine-universe proves God's existence. Machines have makers. The universe-machine is so complex that the Maker of it fits our definition of "God." But mere existence of God doesn't tell us much about Him.

Back it the first couple thousand years of the earth, complexity hadn't deteriorated as far as it has today. People back then understood God through the Holy spirit speaking to their spirits. Deterioration came about because of sin. God caused the Bible to be put together for us people who don't have the spiritual complexity of our thousands-of-years-ago ancestors.

But to see much of the proof, you need to look where the proof is located. The Bible.

[franky1]

When everything cools down, most people will realize it was just a case of pneumonia.

The point is that it is not just pneumonia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWn-pGf4B-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKuPNg-bops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9KQ8q6WJE

this 2 minute segment of a video explains the process best
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Bt9KQ8q6WJE?start=803&end=906

to go into detail. the pneumonia (hard to breath due to fluid in lungs) is the bodies immuno response trying to react to the virus in the alveoli and flooding it with fluid trying to contain it and remove it.
however patients suffer from breathing issues.. so without having the immuno response treated and given air to keep the body alive. they die
if given just air. no meds,, the pneumonia takes over and floods the lungs = dead or deoxygenated for days
if given air and just antiimflamitories. pneumonia retreats but virus then can start damaging cells =dead or lung damage long term
if given air anti-imflamatories and antivirals. body can do more =best case survive with little or no long term damage
..
the long term damage (more then pneumonia) is if the virus gets to the cell destruction stage
pneumonia alone is just fluid reaction in the lung.
yes with a virus its more then just fluid that needs to be dealt with
but then saying that just at the pneumonia stage that lungs are going to be guaranteed to be cell destroyed is not accurate
its why swift treatment of air antiimflammatories and antivirals (no single magic one pill cure) to stop the person suffocating. stop the virus from cell destruction to hope to get the person recovered without long term effects.
..
the ground glass is not where there is actual glass like particles in the lungs.
its not describing an actual particle type. its just describing the visual look of a hazy image compared to a clear transparent image
i have seen too many people think that the lungs are filling with hard materials like glass/paving brick. no. its just a visual descriptor of how clear or hazy /pattern the pneumonia fluid build up is

[tvbcof]

Great informational video, stay safe everyone
https://youtu.be/HodiDWSkTWU

This one was awesome.  Well worth sharing, and I have a couple of times.

I've seen this guy before, and have been impressed by his work.  I should put him on my list of to-visits.

[Tash]

Great informational video, stay safe everyone
https://youtu.be/HodiDWSkTWU

This one was awesome.  Well worth sharing, and I have a couple of times.

I've seen this guy before, and have been impressed by his work.  I should put him on my list of to-visits.

This one is also top
Corona Virus (5G) Connections
https://youtu.be/M4smIaaRbq8
One the 16:24 mark, sure looks like a flu as he flew
https://youtu.be/M4smIaaRbq8?t=983

and that why you stay inside ( best is from 25 Jun 2019), download
https://youtu.be/Mpc5dX4qOOo

crrow777, another full hour
https://youtu.be/pPKpJgJE_Zw


Someone is terrible bad at social distancing

[BADecker]

When everything cools down, most people will realize it was just a case of pneumonia.

The point is that it is not just pneumonia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWn-pGf4B-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKuPNg-bops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9KQ8q6WJE

this 2 minute segment of a video explains the process best
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Bt9KQ8q6WJE?start=803&end=906

to go into detail. the pneumonia (hard to breath due to fluid in lungs) is the bodies immuno response trying to react to the virus in the alveoli and flooding it with fluid trying to contain it and remove it.
however patients suffer from breathing issues.. so without having the immuno response treated and given air to keep the body alive. they die
if given just air. no meds,, the pneumonia takes over and floods the lungs = dead or deoxygenated for days
if given air and just antiimflamitories. pneumonia retreats but virus then can start damaging cells =dead or lung damage long term
if given air anti-imflamatories and antivirals. body can do more =best case survive with little or no long term damage
..
the long term damage (more then pneumonia) is if the virus gets to the cell destruction stage
pneumonia alone is just fluid reaction in the lung.
yes with a virus its more then just fluid that needs to be dealt with
but then saying that just at the pneumonia stage that lungs are going to be guaranteed to be cell destroyed is not accurate
its why swift treatment of air antiimflammatories and antivirals (no single magic one pill cure) to stop the person suffocating. stop the virus from cell destruction to hope to get the person recovered without long term effects.
..
the ground glass is not where there is actual glass like particles in the lungs.
its not describing an actual particle type. its just describing the visual look of a hazy image compared to a clear transparent image
i have seen too many people think that the lungs are filling with hard materials like glass/paving brick. no. its just a visual descriptor of how clear or hazy /pattern the pneumonia fluid build up is

Your video sounds like Dawkins on evolution. We don't have any proof that it is the way he says. He doesn't have any proof. Evolution just has to exist this way for the fun of it.


The whole Covid-19 scam is explained in Tash's video https://youtu.be/HodiDWSkTWU (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237433.msg54156828#msg54156828) as reported on by tvbcof here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237433.msg54161113#msg54161113.

[franky1]

Your video sounds like Dawkins on evolution. We don't have any proof that it is the way he says. He doesn't have any proof. Evolution just has to exist this way for the fun of it.

your youtube videos are of non medical guys making opinions..
video i linked was of an active dotor showing scans of HIS patients HE has treated

i dare you try to actually speak to active doctors who only salary is for working in the ICU and actually seeing patients..
most of your conspiracy references are of non medica influencers and hiring ex-doctors who are now getting paid to do interviews. and have not personally themselves seen a patient with covid first hand

so as you love the whole 'take it to court' .. the link i linked shows more factual merit then your links..

here is an analogy
its like a retired mechanic who has not touched a car in 10 years. being paid to do an interview about how tesla cars are fake because his experience is that cars are only combustion engine and he has never had to repair an electric car..

you would stupidly then claim tesla is fake.. why.. because your an idiot that does not think about things
now go try and research

[BADecker]

Your video sounds like Dawkins on evolution. We don't have any proof that it is the way he says. He doesn't have any proof. Evolution just has to exist this way for the fun of it.

your youtube videos are of non medical guys making opinions..
video i linked was of an active dotor showing scans of HIS patients HE has treated

i dare you try to actually speak to active doctors who only salary is for working in the ICU and actually seeing patients..
most of your conspiracy references are of non medica influencers and hiring ex-doctors who are now getting paid to do interviews. and have not personally themselves seen a patient with covid first hand

so as you love the whole 'take it to court' .. the link i linked shows more factual merit then your links..

here is an analogy
its like a retired mechanic who has not touched a car in 10 years. being paid to do an interview about how tesla cars are fake because his experience is that cars are only combustion engine and he has never had to repair an electric car..

you would stupidly then claim tesla is fake.. why.. because your an idiot that does not think about things
now go try and research

This is the exact thing that I have been saying all along. Get it to court, with a very stiff penalty for perjury, allowing no hearsay or assumptions, with witnesses and evidence, and with expert witnesses and expert-witness/attorneys on both sides.

Until you do this, the whole thing is only hearsay. It is hearsay that Coronavirus exists. It is hearsay that it doesn't.

The BIG point is, why do people base what they believe on HEARSAY?... especially when it's something that is destroying their lives and the economy of the world?

[KingScorpio]

because of junk like this italy shouldn't be allowed to have the euro, they scam and abuse as much as possible to push italy.

italian nationalism can't exist in europes future.

italy should return to their nazi lira.

[franky1]

badecker.. atleast learn the definition of hearsay before continuing to act like a fool by over using it randomly and not for what it should be used for.

it sems like its just a new buzzword you want to use this month.. like king scorpios new buzzword is nazi and communist

[BADecker]

badecker.. atleast learn the definition of hearsay before continuing to act like a fool by over using it randomly and not for what it should be used for.

it sems like its just a new buzzword you want to use this month.. like king scorpios new buzzword is nazi and communist

But you had better learn the definition of "proof," and how it is found and attested to in court.

[franky1]

But you had better learn the definition of "proof," and how it is found and attested to in court.

you'd never win in court. 3 months + of seeing how much investigative proof finding you have done (none). shows how unprepared you are for anything real world

[BADecker]

But you had better learn the definition of "proof," and how it is found and attested to in court.

you'd never win in court. 3 months + of seeing how much investigative proof finding you have done (none). shows how unprepared you are for anything real world

Precisely the point. That's why I have all kinds of expert witnesses to show the truth. They would win for me.

[franky1]

But you had better learn the definition of "proof," and how it is found and attested to in court.

you'd never win in court. 3 months + of seeing how much investigative proof finding you have done (none). shows how unprepared you are for anything real world

Precisely the point. That's why I have all kinds of expert witnesses to show the truth. They would win for me.

social media influencers and cult gurus are not expert witnesses.
put your faux news guru against an ICU doctor.. ud lose

[BADecker]

But you had better learn the definition of "proof," and how it is found and attested to in court.

you'd never win in court. 3 months + of seeing how much investigative proof finding you have done (none). shows how unprepared you are for anything real world

Precisely the point. That's why I have all kinds of expert witnesses to show the truth. They would win for me.

social media influencers and cult gurus are not expert witnesses.
put your faux news guru against an ICU doctor.. ud lose

I'd win, because my gurus are way better than their expert witnesses.

[BADecker]

The double hoax:
1. Coronavirus - 99% of those dead died from things other than CV;
2. No promised funds forthcoming, although this still could happen.


HALF of Italians Want to Leave the EU - Italexit Is Now a Real Possibility (New Polls)

This is particularly apparent in Italy, which has been the hardest-hit member of the bloc during the crisis.

Belgium, France, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Portugal, Slovenia, and  Spain have been pushing for the issuing of so-called "corona bonds," which would distribute the debt among all countries in the bloc. The "Frugal Four," however — Austria, Finland, Germany, and the Netherlands — are rejecting the suggestion, and have called for the activation of the European Stability Mechanism, which would allow member states to take out loans in the form of bond purchases from the European Central Bank.

Nowhere has disappointment in the EU been stronger than in Italy, and new polls show that Italians are fed up with what they see as the bloc's inadequate measures to respond to the crisis. 49% of Italians are now in favour of leaving the EU and the Eurozone altogether, according to a poll conducted earlier this month by the Tecne Institute that was reported by Express. This represents a 20% increase from 18 months ago, the last time such a poll was undertaken.

Another recent survey conducted by Termometro found that nearly 40% of Italians are in favor of leaving both the EU and the Eurozone, suggesting that the Tecne poll is accurate, as reported by Il Sussidiario.