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April 05, 2020, 08:57:21 AM
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W.H.O. has vouched for China's numbers.  You could also see pollution levels go down from satellite imagery.  They actually locked people in their houses and had drones patrolling the streets 24/7.  With all of that considered, I don't know why its so difficult for people to buy the idea that they stopped the spread of the virus with such drastic measures.
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April 05, 2020, 10:26:12 AM
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W.H.O. has vouched for China's numbers.  You could also see pollution levels go down from satellite imagery.  They actually locked people in their houses and had drones patrolling the streets 24/7.  With all of that considered, I don't know why its so difficult for people to buy the idea that they stopped the spread of the virus with such drastic measures.

They also covered up how the virus happened to appear in Wuhan in the first place. IMO their numbers are not trustworthy and you could see it when first Chinese Bitcoin exchanges started to appear in 2013. By 2015 the whole world (including the Chinese government) knew that they were faking their numbers to pump up the price. That's probably the main reason why they got shut down so fast.

WHO confirmed their numbers? WHO is a puppet!

It comes amid continued criticism of the WHO’s approach towards both Taiwan and China. Taiwan has been excluded from participating in the World Health Assembly after heavy lobbying from China, which considers Taiwan part of its territory.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/senior-who-adviser-appears-to-dodge-question-on-taiwans-covid-19-response

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April 05, 2020, 10:57:49 AM
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They also covered up how the virus happened to appear in Wuhan in the first place.

if 1 person turns up sick on the 18th of december.. and one doctor treats them.. is this worthy of calling it a pandemic and alerting the world.. no

if a dozen people in the next 3 weeks come into hospital with similar symptoms.. and its found out to be from a single isolated location like a wet market.. is this enough to declare pandemic.. no
because at this point they did not have the rna test results to know for sure if this was seasonal flu or a new varient.

results came back on january 7th and by january 9th the world knew.. this to me is sensible timeline and practical assurance they done the things corectly rather then shouting wolf at every hospital admittance.

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what was bad. was most countries then took 2 months to do anything
from january to march UK/US continued to try bringing US/UK people from china to the US/UK.. thus bringing it over to the US/UK
what should have been done was the US/UK the people in china money to stay in a hotel and ensure their foreign medical care/travel insurance would pay out if they needed to be treated in china..

that would have been the real smart thing to do. to truly curb the spread.
the fact that it was not until march until UK/US started expanding hospital bed capacity. was a flaw too.
china was doing it at the end of january. so why were other countries not doing the same

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as for the numbers. NO country has accurate numbers
people coughing and have temperatures while staying home are not being tested.

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in china they actually got their act together and traced back everyone that was in contact with known corona recipients and isolated them and done daily welfare checks on them beyond the standard self isolation stuff
they provided those direct contact people with daily food and stuff so that there was absolute no need to leave their homes.
again above and beyond the self isolation protocols of other countries..

but yes a few slipped out the net and there are other cases not strictly monitored and tested.
but compared to other countries.. well i dont see a problem with china methods compared to other countries.


if UK/US didnt import the virus in with their 'repatriation' flights. less would be sick
if UK/US started manufacturing more supplies and ventilators and retaining staff that usually are not ICU specialised into a standard that can handle the more intense stuff. and got more beds in february.
then the lockdown would be even more effective then it is now.
yes the lockdown is doing some good. but not as much as it could if hospital capacity was at it optimum intime
. this whole self isolate and then try to get manufacturing done while simultaneously saying to workers its ok to take a couple months off work you wont lose your job, just contradicts any good policy.

the first stage of 'delay the spread' should have been not repatriating vacationers. but instead fund them to extend their vacation IN CHINA.
then expand hospital capacity in jan/february(not 2 months later in march/april)
.. then repatriate the vacationers. and actually monitor them by knowing everyone they come into contact with..

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but everything i said.. is all in hindsight.
yea i admit it in hindsight we can all sound like we know better. but atleast we can use this as a learning experience to form a policy/plan should it occur again. and not just be racially profiling/finger pointing

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April 05, 2020, 11:47:48 AM
Last edit: April 05, 2020, 12:04:38 PM by KingScorpio
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europe didnt want to house the middle eastern refugee's and passed them onto the borderlines of non eu countries..

yep the camps at Calais was EU attempt of saying, try and find a way to get on a euro tunnel to the UK because we dont want you

so what do you propose should the eu ally with the migrants against the uk like turkey does against greece, and help them get over the border in order to demand welfare?

uk will be a poor country once it loses its connection to europe, it will return to medieval or early industrial life conditions. it will become mexico of europe

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April 05, 2020, 12:12:20 PM
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you think that the EU should ally and form a force against the UK

are you really that lost that you think that hate is the answer.

i propose that the EU should just house them.. no anger no racial finger pointing. just house them

you seem to be on a complete mission to create divide and to cause tension with all your thoughts. you seem to be very racial and very angry.

have you ever thought of a calm peaceful solution.. i doubt it

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June 25, 2020, 11:54:18 AM
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This is a closed country, so it will be difficult to verify the data.
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