returning to normal

[Wexnident]

I wouldn't say that it would be a permanent change. I guess there would be, a few ones here and there, but most would probably be a temporary one. Especially if the society of that country is pretty satisfied with how the government moved when the pandemic hit, it should actually bring benefits for them instead. As for returning to "normal", tbh, what society refers to a normal can be quite stretched, since it rather depends on a large amount of people so yea. What you wouldn't consider normal would probably be one in a few years.

As for theaters dying off? Isn't it all but a temporary result? They'd probably continue on later, even if in the worst case, it may take a few years for them to return to proper flow and business. If it did take years though, then a lot may be hit by that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it would die off.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It's still really Orwellian though and I'm worried about the precedent it sets.

Agreed. Employers won't employee you unless you can provide the results of your blood test showing that you are immune to coronavirus, because they don't want you take however long is needed off to self isolate, because then they have to pay you and it affects their profits. What other things will they ask for? Since you are getting a blood test anyway for the coronavirus antibodies, why don't we just through in some other common infectious disease antibodies too? How about a cholesterol level so we can estimate your stroke or myocardial infarction risk? And maybe blood markers for some various cancers? We don't want to employ you if you are going to cost us lots in health insurance and take months off work, after all.

[Shasha80]

I strongly agree, it will not be the same as the state of the world and human life after the corona virus crisis is over. Because there will be
a few change in my opinion, especially in the health sector. And also people will increasingly care about health and hygiene. In the world
businesses and the economy will increasingly develop pharmaceutical companies. And economic cooperation between countries is likely to
be some change policy.

[Ucy]

Well, after this comes something else. The bad will become more desperate. The bad are currently under control. When the HAND controlling  them is taken away, violent/evil will be unleashed.  I don't know a better way to say this without causing fear. 
One of the most important thing now is to successfully build decentralized projects that can keep alot of people safe during choas.

[fabiorem]

bill gates is making a huge exaggeration. either we're in an active epidemic---and vaccination could be required as an emergency public health measure (probably at the state/local level)---or it wouldn't be mandatory. there is no middle ground.

That's what I thought. If the government wont force it as a "last resort" measure (which is only in cases of extreme emergency), he cant just exclude people from living in society that way. Its similar to discrimination against race or religion.

This people think they are above the law. They monopolized the narrative, as this example shows: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/04/01/bokhari-mark-zuckerberg-is-now-the-worlds-chief-medical-officer/

If they go along with these sinister agendas, fiat will be eventually replaced by a centralized cryptodollar, and people who dont want to be vaccinated, chipped and marked will have to resort to bitcoin.

[justdimin]

There is no way the life will not return to normal, it definitely will return to normal. What we are having trouble right now is the big unemployment that is going on right now and that is probably all around the world.

Not just the small companies who are closing down because they can't make any profit at all and that is why they can't pay rent etc etc, but it is also because huge corporations are laying off thousands of people at a time, many of them have their biggest expense as the people working there so a company that has 200k workers lays off 40k of them will mean millions of dollars tens of millions of dollars actually in a year and right now they don't need it. If we can somehow make those unemployed people find another job as soon as this is over, we will get back to normal in no time.

[South Park]

there's a new narrative emerging that life will never return to normal after the coronavirus pandemic:

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what do you think---are entire industries about to disappear because of the pandemic? will some aspects of the economy and general life irreversibly change after this?

or are these people just drama queens who are blowing everything out of proportion? maybe people will forget all about the coronavirus in a couple years time and nothing will change. that's what happened after the H1N1 scare.

Like most of the time the truth is somewhere in the middle, I think things are never going to be quite the same but we are not going to see such an abrupt change as those people think, for some time once this crisis is resolved people are still going to be very careful with their money especially now that the economy is presenting problems and some industries are going to be more affected by it, especially those that sell luxuries as people prefer to still be on guard just in case, however if we beat this virus, and I think we will, this will also bring a sense of community all around the world as it would have been impossible to do that without everyone around the world doing their part during this crisis.

[Twentyonepaylots]

There is no way the life will not return to normal, it definitely will return to normal. What we are having trouble right now is the big unemployment that is going on right now and that is probably all around the world.

Everything will go back to normal, it's just that we are facing a consequences right now, just think the problem in that way. if you are seeing a huge unemployment rate right now then that is probably most of companies and businesses are on break, more likely they are off for a month or two.

Not just the small companies who are closing down because they can't make any profit at all and that is why they can't pay rent etc etc, but it is also because huge corporations are laying off thousands of people at a time, many of them have their biggest expense as the people working there so a company that has 200k workers lays off 40k of them will mean millions of dollars tens of millions of dollars actually in a year and right now they don't need it. If we can somehow make those unemployed people find another job as soon as this is over, we will get back to normal in no time.

Trust me we have an enough jobs for people, we are just too populated. Industrialization process are being left behind by the population rate which I can conclude that we are having a shortage of jobs. Companies laying off their workers are just being balance with what they are receiving from the consumers, you can't force a building to stand with 100 people and having a max capacity of 70.

[figmentofmyass]

Employers won't employee you unless you can provide the results of your blood test showing that you are immune to coronavirus, because they don't want you take however long is needed off to self isolate, because then they have to pay you and it affects their profits. What other things will they ask for? Since you are getting a blood test anyway for the coronavirus antibodies, why don't we just through in some other common infectious disease antibodies too? How about a cholesterol level so we can estimate your stroke or myocardial infarction risk? And maybe blood markers for some various cancers? We don't want to employ you if you are going to cost us lots in health insurance and take months off work, after all.

i don't see any of that as likely in the states. it massively overestimates the market power of employers, who can't legally access any of that information without employee authorization under HIPAA and are much more desperate for labor than you think.

federal laws like the ACA make it illegal for insurers to increase premiums on small businesses based on enrollee medical history. for mid sized and large businesses, insurers can only look at claim history at the group level (the entire pool of insured employees) and HIPAA prevents employers from finding out who might be driving up premiums.

employers can ask of course, but we have a pretty strong culture of medical privacy and worker's rights. i believe there would be immense media/social media backlash against employers who engaged in this. there's just no cultural precedent for it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

who can't legally access any of that information without employee authorization under HIPAA

For sure, but that's at the moment. It seems that all bets are off with this pandemic when it comes to invading the privacy of the average citizen. If this lock down continues for weeks to months, I'm sure we'll see the push for COVID-immune individuals to return to work in the US and elsewhere.

i believe there would be immense media/social media backlash against employers who engaged in this.

And whether or not that turns in to anything serious for the company in question is another matter. How much media and social media backlash has there been against Facebook for invading the privacy of all their users? Or against Amazon or Apple for the terrible conditions they force their staff to work in? Or against Nestle for the whole baby formula and bottled water scandals? These things were all widely publicized, and yet these continue to be the biggest companies in the world. If people are absolutely fine supporting companies which use literal slave labor, I can't imagine they will have too much of an issue with an employer having a look at potential employees' medical records.

[exstasie]

There is no way the life will not return to normal, it definitely will return to normal. What we are having trouble right now is the big unemployment that is going on right now and that is probably all around the world.

These crazy unemployment levels could have ripple effects. The US health care system is mostly employer-based, which means many millions of people are instantly without health insurance in the middle of an epidemic. This is leading to lots of calls for a universal health care system as people are realizing an employer-based system doesn't properly hedge against economic crashes. Whether this sentiment sustains past the COVID-19 recovery remains to be seen, but my gut feeling is that it will. This will be the event that pushes Americans over the edge into universal health care. The middle class wants stability above all else and employers can't reliably provide that.

[figmentofmyass]

i believe there would be immense media/social media backlash against employers who engaged in this.

And whether or not that turns in to anything serious for the company in question is another matter. How much media and social media backlash has there been against Facebook for invading the privacy of all their users? Or against Amazon or Apple for the terrible conditions they force their staff to work in? Or against Nestle for the whole baby formula and bottled water scandals?

the jury is out on this, but i don't think those scandals are even in the same universe as violating the rights granted under HIPAA and ACA, across the entire labor force.

i think you're really underestimating the USA's culture of medical privacy and worker's rights. we've literally just seen the most drastic expansion of unemployment benefits in history. in that context, do you really see employers (or their insurers) getting away with discriminating against huge swathes of the labor force based on past medical history?

for now at least, this is all science fiction.

[o_e_l_e_o]

the jury is out on this, but i don't think those scandals are even in the same universe as violating the rights granted under HIPAA and ACA, across the entire labor force.

I would call slave labor significantly worse than employers discriminating based on medical histories, but I will concede that since discrimination happens to you ("you" in the general sense - not you personally), while slave labor happens to someone else on the other side of the world, I would expect more people to protest against it. If the government were set on removing workers' rights, though, then I would have serious doubts if such a protest would achieve anything.

in that context, do you really see employers (or their insurers) getting away with discriminating against huge swathes of the labor force based on past medical history?

Not at the moment, no, but if you asked me six months ago I would also have said it was unthinkable that people would be arrested and detained without trial just for leaving their homes. All bets are off in the current climate.

[Cratoon]

Strap in, we're in for a brave new world.

I can imagine robots replacing people on streets and work places soon for practical reasons.

Either way it's too early to talk about "coming back to normal", as we're only at the beginning.

[mu_enrico]

^"A brave new world" my ass lol
After we eradicate this virus, just like any other virus in the past 2020 years, everything will go back to normal. However, the economy will take time to recover so that you will see old businesses that bankrupt, replaced by new companies. After the pandemic, you will see people will be hesitant to gather outside, but after a few months, bars and pubs will be packed with people again.

[palle11]

there's a new narrative emerging that life will never return to normal after the coronavirus pandemic:
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what do you think---are entire industries about to disappear because of the pandemic? will some aspects of the economy and general life irreversibly change after this?

Just maybe we could have slight change in the financial aspect. As we have seen against many prediction that bitcoin was going to collapse as the virus is taking lives but it has it collapsed and we are seeing it  calm and ranging. Thus, it might become a new wave that might blow the financial institution.

[fabiorem]

Strap in, we're in for a brave new world.

I can imagine robots replacing people on streets and work places soon for practical reasons.

Either way it's too early to talk about "coming back to normal", as we're only at the beginning.

TPTB researched the blockchain. They are into it for years. Psycho Bill was even using the bitcoin blockchain to push a digital identity project. Obviously they are not going to use bitcoin in their end product, but they probably discovered a way to make infinite money without inflation, through the use of a blockchain.

So its just a matter of ban fiat, install a global cryptodollar, and pay a basic income for each citizen. Then they put the robots to work, while people will just consume Netflix and capeshit movies, staying at home and avoiding contact with others.

They will push several pandemics. For each one, there will be a vaccine already in the making, and inside the vaccine, the chip. They miniaturized chips to such a point that they can now put it inside a vaccine. So people take the vaccine, is marked and registered, receive a basic income and pass the day consuming capeshit.

Since the chip will eventually dissolve, updates will be required for it. Each update will come with a new pandemic and a new vaccine. The chip will use 5G nanomilimeter waves to comunicate with quantum computers, where the database will be stored. Everybody will be tracked and have their habits sent to the database. Anything that goes wrong (for example, the chip calling for the 5G wave, and the radiation eventually killing the citizen), they will blame the pandemic for it.

This is the dream world of sheeple-minded individuals. They will love it. They will embrace it. They will dilute themselves on it. Be prepared, the orwellian world is right here, and its much more advanced than we thought.

[Kez1817]

I believe everything will go back to normal if this pandemic will end. But not so easy specially with regards to financial matters except those people in crypto space because they will survive using bitcoin. Everyone will need to start a new beginning even those in business industry that suffered too much because of this current situation. Later on if everything is fine then this pandemic covid 19 is just a history after all. 

[lixer]

Lol, the joke about coronavirus is actually pretty funny, that is what dark humor is and that is what people are missing about it, a dark joke or an offensive joke is not aimed at mocking the troubles, it is aimed at showing the real trouble and making people remember, there are jokes about holocaust for example, do you really think all people who make a joke about holocaust supports it? No they are actually quite against it and they are basically criticizing it while joking about it, same goes for this one as well.

About going back to normal, humanity once had a such a severe blink of death situation that we dropped to a 60k population as humanity as a whole, that was times when nothing was available, this is a disease that could kill millions of people but we are 7+ billion nowadays so even though it is a horrible disease, we WILL return to normal eventually.

[Monteja]

I think that many people will think that they are doing something wrong. I think that many people after this pandemic will become more conscious. Most likely, nothing will change globally immediately. But subsequently, people will become more rational in what they do. Although this pandemic is not terrible for humanity. The only danger is the devil in our head, to which we obey when we do not control it.