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March 19, 2022, 09:11:57 PM
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For every good chess player there is sure to be a more professional player, and even more likely a machine algorithm that calculates the possible outcomes of the game for dozens of moves in advance. Therefore the probability of winning in online chess also depends on chance. 
That is a possibility in any sports and games that at anytime the underdog will take the place of the favorite, but since you know the participants and follow the tournaments closely you increase the chances of winning a bet more than in another categories of sports betting, because in chess the chances are equal for both sides, what means skills will define the result for sure. Moreover, it's a 1 vs 1 game, so it's easier than predict a soccer match, for an example, where the result depends on 11 players. However, you will need to be lucky when betting on chess if you don't know the players very well...

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March 20, 2022, 03:36:43 PM
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LOL! Are you living in bunker? Chess is one of the most popular games of our time and even on youth streaming services like Twitch there are many channels that broadcast only chess and they have a huge audience. If you think that chess is a "boring lazy" game, then you know nothing about such concepts as "zeitnot" and "cutting the flag".
Take a look: KUUURWA!  Grin

No, I do not live in a bunker))) I really have not met in my life people who are so interested in chess. Most likely because I myself stopped playing chess when I was in school and my communication vector shifted in a different direction.

I tried to play online a few times but quickly realized that I had lost my skills.

Well these guys just chess maniacs who know all the moves by heart and play until one of them does not make a mistake.

Same for me. But I do not see any problem in playing online - absolutely all sites now use the ELO system and after a certain number of games you will only be offered opponents of players of your level. Sometimes, if I want to get on my nerves, I play online (with a time control of 2 minutes per game), after that I delete the game and this charge lasts me for several months  Grin

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March 20, 2022, 04:05:13 PM
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I try to avoid games and activities that make me nervous or angry. My last chess matches were like that, so I probably won't go back to chess again. It's much easier for me to play slots. Even after I spend my money in the slots I don't have those negative feelings.

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March 20, 2022, 04:47:14 PM
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I try to avoid games and activities that make me nervous or angry. My last chess matches were like that, so I probably won't go back to chess again. It's much easier for me to play slots. Even after I spend my money in the slots I don't have those negative feelings.

Hmmm... That's why I'm deleting the app. I'm not at that age when there are a lot of "spare" nerves  Grin But slots seem to me no less dangerous, I tried to play them, but now I try to avoid this activity, as they are addictive. The only thing I allow myself is betting. I treat it like an analyst battle, not a game of chance, so I'm not worried about addiction.

In general, it is quite interesting (I'm talking about the first post of this topic) that someone lacks adrenaline from ordinary chess and is looking for ways to play chess for money.

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March 20, 2022, 07:29:32 PM
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I try to avoid games and activities that make me nervous or angry. My last chess matches were like that, so I probably won't go back to chess again. It's much easier for me to play slots. Even after I spend my money in the slots I don't have those negative feelings.
People have different preferences, some people are so tired after they finish a difficult week at their jobs that the last thing they want is to have to concentrate themselves and try to somehow beat their opponent at a game of chess or poker, so they prefer games in which they can simply enjoy themselves and have some fun, however there are people that are the opposite, for them such a thing is something they enjoy, and even if I am no longer a good chess player, playing chess from time to time is very entertaining for me.
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March 20, 2022, 08:44:55 PM
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I try to avoid games and activities that make me nervous or angry. My last chess matches were like that, so I probably won't go back to chess again. It's much easier for me to play slots. Even after I spend my money in the slots I don't have those negative feelings.

That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.

Chess seems to be a harmless game. We often joke about chess player's reflexes (meaning you're extremely slow and calm), but like in every competition, it's easy to lose when you know you're a newbie. You don't put the bar high for yourself. When you become very good, gain followers, some pride in your skill, every defeat hurts.

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That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.
I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.

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March 21, 2022, 05:50:11 AM
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The game of Chess is part of the very few games I didn't know how to play. I realize that chess is better learnt when younger in school because at least you have all the free time to throw around. I watched few times people that played but it wasn't so much a popular game played around freely, may be it was a reason. However, Chess is highly calculative. You need to read up the opponent next move and try to checkmate it, I think that's mostly the technique of the game.
really? at your age you don't know how to play chess? you are part of the few people in the world that knows nothing about chess playing lol.

Knowing how to play is different from being a good player and also different from being a professional on it, so you see there are difference of levels into the games we play or claim to know how to play. Grin lol.
There are also some games people don't know how to play and others do know it. So I'm not a professional player chess but nothing knowledge here and there doesn't make someone a good player.
Have i mentioned someone is claiming about being Good In chess? I don't think that there are even a single word that i claim being one .

What I asked is if you don't know how to play chess since there are only few people I know that has not playing this game(maybe depend on the community and the country in which paying attention to this game) but never that i underestimate nor degrade someone that knows nothing about chess.

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March 21, 2022, 06:32:40 AM
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Can anyone tell me if you know any website where you can play online chess with other people
and that both man can invest crypto and winner takes it all?
I am not aware of any site/platform where I can play and bet with cryptocurrencies.

But I don't know if it's a good idea to use this game, because if you play chess with a machine, there are great chances of you being defeated, because the machine can make several moves in a short time.

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March 21, 2022, 06:46:42 AM
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You mean chess gambling site? I don't think there would be something like that since it is prone to cheating since any user can use another tab or another computer to play with an undefeated AI chess bot to counter your match. But there are good online chess including Lichess but it doesn't have any crypto related service, etc. but you can play with other players for free.

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March 21, 2022, 07:01:40 AM
 #131

You mean chess gambling site? I don't think there would be something like that since it is prone to cheating since any user can use another tab or another computer to play with an undefeated AI chess bot to counter your match. But there are good online chess including Lichess but it doesn't have any crypto related service, etc. but you can play with other players for free.
I loved playing chess but not an expert - but I would like to start over again if there is any website which would let some beginner level chess. I would like to try again. I will keep coming to the forum if there is any suggestion and ideas how to start.
Also there are very less chess players but watching someone playing it excites me!

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That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.
I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.
If you are competing against someone as good as yourself, you will be forced to play at your best. You need to be aware with your moves and set a plan. It takes more than just accumulating chess knowledge, you need to improve your ability to concentrate, your mental endurance, and your emotional control.

Especially if there is someone who looks up to you because they see you begin all-wise lol
I have the brother of my girlfriend back when I was a college that I boasted about me being good at chess once upon a time. I have to show my 100% skills during that time when we get to a venue where street chess conmen are playing all the time.

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March 21, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
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I am also not aware about like this and I don't think there is any existing site about a player versus player chess site where you can place bet and winner takes all but maybe you can ask someone to play with you and have an agreement that if anyone wins they should take it all. I think you can play on a lot of website and even match with the masters if you managed to climbed up with their rank but wagering or betting  on it or player vs player doesn't exist. Not unless in world chess tournament where you can place bet on bookies.

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March 21, 2022, 07:44:09 AM
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I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

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I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

Yes that could, many monitors already have a camera inside, than you just need 1-2 more to film the PC and keyboard from behind. It's a bit like becoming a professional steamer. For some players this could be a no go, like you can't do on your phone while lying on the couch or at night in bed. Cheating would still be an issue though if stakes are too high. You could have a partner for example who watches the game life and feeds it into a chess computer, giving real time information directly into the earphone of the player. I think most important would be to focus on blitz games, there the games are much faster and less time to manipulate. It will also take a anti cheat software that compares your rank to the way you play. Like if you are winning too many games, or make some very good moves which would indicate a higher rating.
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this reminds me of the article I've read before that there are chess players with titles who use cheat when playing with other chess players online. if someone decides to create gambling that caters to chess where you can bet It would be certain that the site will be plagued with cheaters.


It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.
using screen share could be risky since one of the two players could accidentally expose important information while having a screen share.

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March 21, 2022, 07:46:38 PM
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I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

I severely disagree with your first statement.

First, high-level tournaments contain super GMs who does not use any engines at all. While we may argue that they may have the possibility of using so, they are strictly monitored with their respective PCs in order to avoid such cheating. In addition, these super GMs would not want to use any engine as they are the engines themselves. In the event that they actually use one, then they would just put their whole career into jeopardy and waste all of their efforts building their ratings on the ladder.

Again, betting in chess is just as fun as betting into other sports. I just hope that people would see the potential of this sport exploding in the near future.
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I would agree with @Wildan a player can use other computer to cheat so it doesn't make sense on having a bet on a Chess game but that would be great if anyone can stop people from cheating (Which is not) for me adding a bet on Chess game could spice up or make the game more intense.

It is possible to have a this kind of game if the player could have a live webcam to them (to see if they are using other computer) and a screen share of their computer just like what they are doing in online chess tournament but that was too much right? Setting up cameras and sharing your screen to others.

In fact, cheating among strong and even average players is practically not used. It makes no sense (in serious games and tournaments) because computer analysis quickly reveals the use of third-party programs. Strange as it may seem, the player's chess behavior is very easy to predict, and if he "suddenly" starts to play better than his level, this immediately attracts attention. In addition, if a player plays games as first lines of chess engines, then he automatically receives a ban on almost all chess sites.
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That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.
I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.
If you are competing against someone as good as yourself, you will be forced to play at your best. You need to be aware with your moves and set a plan. It takes more than just accumulating chess knowledge, you need to improve your ability to concentrate, your mental endurance, and your emotional control.
Yes, I know. You need to be better than the opponent of yours. But it sucks at first when you're having a losing streak knowing that your opponent is an AI.
I've been there and done that and I couldn't be proud of myself since I'm not even a good chess player but it's also amazing at the same time, that these AI's are really good to be your sparring partner to become a better chess player.

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That's basically why I quit online gaming. There's rarely any online game where you fight other players that will not make you nervous. Even games where you play with others against an AI can be frustrating.
I can feel you when I've read what you've said. It's true that even we're just playing against AI makes me frustrated because the higher it gets. The intelligence and strategy of these AI are becoming better and I admit that I can't defeat the higher levels it's funny to think that these are no real people but programmed in a better way to play for the better chess players. But if someone really wants to get a focus on this one, he can be one of the best and it's a good training ground that we have nothing lose.
If you are competing against someone as good as yourself, you will be forced to play at your best. You need to be aware with your moves and set a plan. It takes more than just accumulating chess knowledge, you need to improve your ability to concentrate, your mental endurance, and your emotional control.
Yes, I know. You need to be better than the opponent of yours. But it sucks at first when you're having a losing streak knowing that your opponent is an AI.
I've been there and done that and I couldn't be proud of myself since I'm not even a good chess player but it's also amazing at the same time, that these AI's are really good to be your sparring partner to become a better chess player.

Several players have been caught cheating in the past. They have used a variety of technologies to cheat. Of course it started with a pocket PDA and then consult an engine in the toilet. Cheaters with a bit more high tech stuff have also been caught. I'm sure there are still a lot of cheaters out there who have not been caught and will not be caught. You need to have a decent level of chess if you don't want to get caught, and understand which moves a good player would make and which moves a computer would make.

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