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April 06, 2020, 05:47:20 PM |
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They were correlated for psychological reasons imo. Fear, panic etc caused by the pandemic and the very strict measures, to be precise. Like I said before, people all act the same way in some events. Example: if mandatory lockdown is imposed, everyone will think about the need of cash for their utilities, food etc => they sell assets they own.
Now, as we've all probably seen, the tensions are way smaller than they were 2-3 weeks ago. People are just now starting to think rationally and not in panic, so I expect them to start buying safe haven assets. I would've expected this to happen way later though. But give the world one more crappy news about the virus, get them back into panic mode and see all assets and stocks go correlated once again..
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April 06, 2020, 05:54:42 PM |
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The stock market crashed because of the world problem facing now and the connection between bitcoin and stock is really limited.Both have their own economy, based on activity and based on earnings. Bitcoin price now surges above $6.7K because many people are in there home and can focus on online works like in crypto market.
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April 06, 2020, 05:57:36 PM |
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During steep market crashes, asset classes tend to converge. At the onset of the current stock market fall, both Bitcoin and gold had sharp correlation peaks with the stock market.
Now, however, Bitcoin is once again becoming a non-correlated asset.
People are just the only one who do make this thing complicated on where they do always correlate bitcoin/crypto market with typical stocks/forex/indexes when it comes to price movement.We can presume but knowing totally the reason behind their volatility will always be a question.We have seen that crypto market is starting to cling up or recover but on stocks? They are still on reds and i dont know why people do still keep on pushing this kind of analysis between markets.
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April 06, 2020, 05:59:33 PM |
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There may have been some differences between the two crashes: 1. The stock market crashed because many companies were expected to fail under the pressures of the pandemic 2. Bitcoin collapsed because some people expected a huge collapse since the stock market lost 5 trillion and bitcoin only lost <100 billion in market cap and had a lot lower market cap to start with... There was also no offered bailout strategy with bitcoin as there was to the stock market - and look how much better it's done already at rebounding...
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April 06, 2020, 06:06:12 PM |
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You can't really draw a correlation just by looking at one week's pricing chart. It's not enough to conclude anything. When the global stock market is crashing - you need to remember that it is crashing for a reason. Majority of the industries are shut due to lockdown and that's why their stocks are crashing which is also bringing down the index.
Do you know the reason why the bitcoin price is going up and down? The answer is NO, so we are only assuming that it is happening due to the global sentiment but there's no way to verify the actual reason.
Bitcoin should ideally be the non correlated asset, but the current time is very very difficult to explain and speculate!
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April 06, 2020, 06:23:15 PM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F9tsxcwny98r41.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1280%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0d47ede4ac5897c85bb995ae94486534bec81435&t=665&c=uspD8DLM5j5e6g) During steep market crashes, asset classes tend to converge. At the onset of the current stock market fall, both Bitcoin and gold had sharp correlation peaks with the stock market. Now, however, Bitcoin is once again becoming a non-correlated asset. Well maybe the Bitcoin price is rising because people have started watching Bitcoin as a true store of value and not just a bubble. Most of the economies will now come in recession due to the Corona endemic and thus people need more money for living their daily life so now they will start selling their assets and this will continue to the greater fall of the stock market in the upcoming future.
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April 06, 2020, 06:37:56 PM |
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There may have been some differences between the two crashes: 1. The stock market crashed because many companies were expected to fail under the pressures of the pandemic
Most likely that is the case why the stock plunged because of the covid and businesses closures. Not only today that the stock market plummeted, every one should expect a down from a stock whenever there is a problem, a huge problem that the world is facing and every thing is affected. As the situation is getting hard for us to control, I guess it will continue to flow below the lines. 2. Bitcoin collapsed because some people expected a huge collapse since the stock market lost 5 trillion and bitcoin only lost <100 billion in market cap and had a lot lower market cap to start with... There was also no offered bailout strategy with bitcoin as there was to the stock market - and look how much better it's done already at rebounding...
Well as for bitcoin, I don't see any relation with it to stock market and the most likely scenario for it being down is the fear from its people because of the virus as people are needing money so maybe there is a massive pullout from individuals who own bitcoin.
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April 06, 2020, 06:39:54 PM |
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Well, this isn't a new thing for those who have been here and had experience the bigger event of Bitcoin halving which always took place every five year. Next month is the dee month for the said event and many are trying to get their investment into Bitcoin right now. Though, the rise of Bitcoin price is because of the next month and many would love to participate, comparing Bitcoin to stock when we'll know that, there is a bigger event ahead doesn't look to me as serious case here.
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April 06, 2020, 06:54:04 PM |
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This was expected because investors were probably pull back their crypto or non-crypto assets into fiat just because preparing in covid19 lockdown. I f you will see, this pandemic has a huge impact on the global market. Sometimes we think that it is correlated or just a coincidence. It is really hard to explain but experts have explanation on this by their predictions and theories and 90% the same result. Just because of covid19.
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April 06, 2020, 07:19:56 PM |
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This was expected because investors were probably pull back their crypto or non-crypto assets into fiat just because preparing in covid19 lockdown.
Yeah, Looking at the bigger picture this is the problem that everything is facing not just the stock market, crypto space or oil industry. What I mean by everything is literally everything. The pull downs are due to the virus, we don't have any thing to blame but this one coz it's not a coincidence. And this is not the first time that we have seen a market declining because of the pandemic, we already seen it from the past. I f you will see, this pandemic has a huge impact on the global market. Sometimes we think that it is correlated or just a coincidence. It is really hard to explain but experts have explanation on this by their predictions and theories and 90% the same result. Just because of covid19.
There is no direct correlation however this is not a coincidence, so what is it then? I have nothing to coin it but it is pretty obvious tho.
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April 06, 2020, 07:50:50 PM |
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Now, this got me thinking what's behind this recovery for bitcoin. Is this now being correlated to the recent US' stimulus efforts?
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April 06, 2020, 08:43:22 PM |
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Now, this got me thinking what's behind this recovery for bitcoin. Is this now being correlated to the recent US' stimulus efforts?
That was completely missed by me until someone brought it up on another thread. It's possible since gold is no longer really an uninflated asset that people are turning to bitcoin as the government's inherently have no control over its function and there's 21 million until the community technocratically decides otherwise.
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April 07, 2020, 12:47:38 AM |
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Bitcoin was never corelated with stock market unless majot economic issue arise like corona pandemic has dropped every stocks and bitcoin price. Stocks price depends on things related to that particular stock like company to perform good or bad but bitcoin price depends on news related to bitcoin. Both are different categories and price correlation is just a coincidence.
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April 07, 2020, 01:40:09 AM |
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Bitcoin was never corelated with stock market unless majot economic issue arise like corona pandemic has dropped every stocks and bitcoin price. Stocks price depends on things related to that particular stock like company to perform good or bad but bitcoin price depends on news related to bitcoin. Both are different categories and price correlation is just a coincidence.
But its correlated on the current happening since the people are securing to buy some food stocks that's why we see the price of it got drop for the past several months. and although the stock and bitcoins doesn't have relation at all but in the times of crisis both will suffer from major drop out. But one thing good in stock is they can easily recover when market is in good shape but its so questionable for bitcoins to pump since we need a mass adoption.
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April 07, 2020, 01:49:15 AM |
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Those people who doesn't know the value of Bitcoin will crash and burn with these financial crisis. Many Institutional investors expecting and thinking that the price will go back down to $500 or $0 because it has no fundamentals. But this time, Bitcoin could potentially replace the stock market and fiat system.
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April 07, 2020, 02:06:12 AM |
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Those people who doesn't know the value of Bitcoin will crash and burn with these financial crisis. Many Institutional investors expecting and thinking that the price will go back down to $500 or $0 because it has no fundamentals. But this time, Bitcoin could potentially replace the stock market and fiat system.
What do you mean that bitcoin can potentially replace the stock market? Cryptocurrency market and stock market have no correlation at all because they are totally different financial instruments to each other. Their functions and importantance are also different so how do say so that bitcoin can potentially replace the stock market? On what terms?
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April 07, 2020, 03:05:47 AM |
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I think bitcoin is really slowly "decoupling" with stocks specially in this current scenario. Just like what we are witnessing in the last 24 hours surge of bitcoin price. I think traditional stock investors are mostly moving away and likely testing how bitcoin could be a good alternative for them.
It could be that Wall Streets are looking for other options and the current trend could be very well a good evidence on that theory. And even though we have heard that there is a stimulus package in the US, still traditional markets didn't react positively, while bitcoin gets over the hump of that $7k mental barrier.
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April 07, 2020, 03:24:36 AM |
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Bitcoin is now sitting at above $7,000 while stocks are still down. Bitcoin really does took a damage from inial fear during the month of march. Now Bitcoin is steadily going up again despite coronavirus and stocks still on the loose. Maybe it's time to separate stocks and cryptocurrency correlation?
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April 07, 2020, 04:19:32 AM |
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bitcoin has never had any correlations with any other market specially stock market ever and it didn't start to have any now either. if anything bitcoin is correlated to the global fear which was the only reason why bitcoin price dropped in the first place. also if there were any correlations bitcoin should have continue falling like stocks all through march instead of reversing and going in the opposite direction (up) unlike stocks.
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