Casino workers, asking for salary during the shutdown

[Captain Corporate]

 Casino workers might be doing the right thing and they totally deserve to get paid during this period but we should not really forget about all workers, this is not about just the casino workers that are getting unpaid leaves, this is much bigger and everyone should be getting money during this period, if the companies can't manage to pay their workers during this period, governments should give them small loans to pay them with zero interest, if those companies can't pay the workers even with the loan, maybe nationlization is not a bad idea, just buy the company as a whole from the government and keep paying people until this is over and continue make it work afterwards for bigger profits in the long run. If companies do not want that to happen, maybe they could find a way to pay with the loans they get instead.

[Zeke_23]

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

It is true, however, how can you obliged an employee to gather funds in this kind of emergency, and what if their salary is only enough to support their daily needs, this will be hard for them. In times like this, employers should at least show that they care about their emplyees who work hard for them.

[TIDOVEE]

Well! All this can be sorted with mutual understanding. The casino workers must have known how well the employers are making money or gain when work was fully on before they will insist on having salary, if the employers are not capable, they may not make the moves. This pandemic situation was not really prepared for by many. Though all fingers are still not equal because not all of them make money at the same rate. Not withstanding atleast, employers Should help with something since they had nowhere else to go.

[Becky666]

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Yes, business as usual even in times like this when pandemic hit the world. This kind of business is only concerned with how they can earn more and they don't even have the slightest care about the one who is working with them.

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They can help but doesnt mean that they would be the one to sustain out their needs into this entire lockdown duration.

The argument here isn't those who are considerate but those who thought that, helping their employees isn't their responsibility to do so. According to OP, many of these casinos actually helped their employees while some said, isn't their obligation to help as the lockdown also affected their businesses, this isn't justifiable because those employees also need palliatives too. Okay, for those casinos that aren't paying salary to their employees during this lockdown, how do they intend to help their workers?. Gambling platforms around this industry are making huge profits and they should give back to their employees.

[TheGreatPython]

This is basically how the physical casino business may end up dying in the end. They might just anger unions so much that unions basically have millions of dollars to fight back, one person who was wronged by a casino may not do much but a whole union could do a big damage and if the courts find them right that is even a bigger damage to casinos, all because they wanted to cut some corners and make a bit more profit when they were already making ton of profits.

Online gambling world is getting bigger and bigger anyway so there are less people going to casinos, with this type of war going on between workers and the casinos they worked at, it could cause them to lose a lot more customers to online casinos as well and they might get very small compared to what they used to be.

[desticy]

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

[Viscore]

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

Organization does work based on their policy, therefore if it's not on their policy, it needs some big approval from the CEO or the high ranks of the company.
If they are just following based on their policy and the rules of the government, they should not be pressured here, giving aid to their employees is not their responsibility TBH, so employees should be aware of that, instead they have to learn how to save to prepare for an unforeseen situation.

[GDragon]

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

Its really frustrating. A lot here said that it is not the companies responsibility, but I think it is. They need to ensure that the employees who just worked for them for years will be able to survive this pandemic so they can be back working for them again. They are the heart of the casino. Billionaires employers should care for them. The 2 weeks compensation they just received after the March lockdown won't be enough if this continues for months.

I can understand that some employees have safety nets but they should also consider that not anyone can save just because they can't, we all have different circumastances. The lockdown is over a month now. Bills are piling up and soon, their savings will be used too. Its not only in the gaming industry, but applicable to all industry.

Geoconda Arguello-Kline, treasurer-secretary of the giant Las Vegas-based Culinary Union, called on major casino operators such as MGM Resorts and Caesars Entertainment to honor their “responsibility in this community.”

[Lorence.xD]

This is understandable, from different parts of the world there is surely a lot of people who are not working and that means no cash flow, you might be lucky if your employer implements a work from home but if not then that sucks, the good thing about it though is that government and private sector alike are doing their part in giving relief for their employees through finance stimulus and such. The sad thing about this is that it is a temporary fix to a problem that gets worse overtime, maybe increasing the effort in ending this pandemic is still the best bet (No pun intended).

[Debonaire217]

This is understandable, from different parts of the world there is surely a lot of people who are not working and that means no cash flow, you might be lucky if your employer implements a work from home but if not then that sucks,

I'm pretty sure that government has alloted a fund for crisis like this, and businesses should not just consider themselves having no cashflow inside of the company, but there is a responsibility for the government to convince businesses to provide salary in advance even if the employees aren't working to help them and support them with their living. But the problem here isn't the cashflow and business, there are some instances that some business outsource their services, in return, even if the company has the capability to provide salary, they are forced to deliver the services so people are tasked to work from home such as those that are in the call centers.

the good thing about it though is that government and private sector alike are doing their part in giving relief for their employees through finance stimulus and such. The sad thing about this is that it is a temporary fix to a problem that gets worse overtime, maybe increasing the effort in ending this pandemic is still the best bet (No pun intended).

The Government I can say is competent and knows how things work out but sometimes, the problem are the LGU's (Local Government Unit), specifically corrupts LGU's that aren't delivering the funds to the people.

[ethereumhunter]

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

We cannot say anything if they did that, and we cannot force them to show kindness to other people. But I am sure that not all of them be like that. There will be a company that will care with their employee, and they will support them. And if we work with them, I think that will help us to survive at this moment because it is hard to find that such a company.

[JohnBitCo]

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

We cannot say anything if they did that, and we cannot force them to show kindness to other people. But I am sure that not all of them be like that. There will be a company that will care with their employee, and they will support them. And if we work with them, I think that will help us to survive at this moment because it is hard to find that such a company.

This is a test for everyone both for the employers and the employees. Those kind hearted employers who will pay the salary when none or less work is done by the employees, they will be rewarded by the nature in some form in future. The good deeds never go wasted. It would be better if all of the employers are kind hearted and help their employees.

[casperBGD]

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency, it is a responsible business model, in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees, it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

[Betwrong]

Offline casino entrepreneurs surely confused about this...
Paying employee salaries is a worker's obligation according to the wage and labor agreement but the current conditions are different. Workers do not work, as usual, not paying a full salary is the best solution imo.

I agree, depending on the country, some basic money should be given to workers so that they could buy food and necessities. But it's not an obligation of casino owners only. The owners should pay a part but another part should be paid by the government. Where all those taxes go, after all? It's partly to not let people die of hunger in times like these.

I think that a casino (or any other enterprise) should not pay at all during quarantine/state of emergency. This is a force majeure circumstance and here payments must be made by the government - this is its responsibility and duty. And we must not forget that the casino cannot print money from the air (even in emergency cases) and the government can.

I'd rather agree with you because apart from the ability to print money they have funds from taxes, but the governments, they hardly would. Even regular people, like me and you, are saying that governments have many other things to spend their money on, apart from this pandemic, so surely the governments would defend such a viewpoint even more.

I think Sweden came up with a good solution to this problem.

As of 16 March 2020, it is also possible for employers to, under certain specific conditions, put employees on publicly funded short-term furlough. This publicly funded short-term furlough enables employers to cut their salary costs by up to 50%, while employees retain up to 90% of their salary.

Simply put, people, while sitting at home, are paid 50% of their salary by their employers and getting another 40% from the government.

[yazher]

It is true, however, how can you obliged an employee to gather funds in this kind of emergency, and what if their salary is only enough to support their daily needs, this will be hard for them. In times like this, employers should at least show that they care about their emplyees who work hard for them.

The employer should have some kind of funds to give to their employees in order for them to help their guys. these employees are now in need of anything they can give them. of course, the first thing they must do is to go to their respective employers to ask for help because they're the ones who can help these guys in their financial problems. they can do like giving them their advanced 13-month pay to somehow survive this pandemic or something like that.

[Sanitough]

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency, it is a responsible business model, in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees, it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

It will only be a responsibility if the company are required to give to their employees, and it should be coming from the government order or law.
If there is no order from the government, then the company are in no responsibility providing that.

I'd like to reflect this kind of situation in my country, when we are in calamity, we can apply for a calamity loan to our social security system, it's an agency own by the government and we are a member of it when we are an employed, so we have contributions coming from our salary and bigger part is from our employer, so during calamity, employees will not anymore ask to their employers.

[South Park]

This is happening all over the world and in all kind of industries, people were not prepared for this kind of event, most of the time it is recommended that people have at least 3 months worth of savings in the case they lose their job but very few people have that kind of money in store and now we are seeing the consequences of this, after just a few weeks of quarantine most people cannot take it anymore and they have to go out and try to get some money risking their health in the process, so while there is nothing we can do at the moment let this be a lesson to everyone out there, we need to have some savings just in case something like this happens again.

Therefore, we should be able to save as much as possible in our finances, I know that in times of crisis like this many are still experiencing the same thing and therefore we should be able to avoid gambling if there is no fixed salary because this pandemic will seem to last long.
At the moment I still have a fixed salary so for other extras I search this forum by gambling or trading anything that makes money in this forum. I will do it to get money for my needs, therefore I will reduce gambling and not too often. during this pandemic.

Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

[bitbunnny]

Unfortunately, they are not the only one.
But it's not their fault they are not working, casinos are closed due to governments decisions because of pandemic. So, to my opinion they have the right to compensation and governments should help casinos to pay their employees.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

Agree with this. Right now it is almost impossible to save any money. Even here in India (where the impact have been relatively muted), a huge number of people have lost their jobs. On top of that, the prices of essential items have gone up by quite a bit. It is like double whammy. First of all, you have less money available in hand, and secondly your expenses are going up.

[plvbob0070]

It is very bad that the employers of the Casinos did not pay their employees. It is inhumane, in such a dire situation that the pandemic has struck, these Casino owners should help the working hand that has made them wealthy. Like all closed businesses today, they are massively laying off their employees. In the midst of all this, I have seen humanitarian aid that they have been sending food to them and also the Trump government has created a plan to send money to Americans in this chaos of Covid19.

Unfortunately this is the face of current capitalism. Around the world, many private organizations refuse to repel forced leave for their employees.
As for me, this perfectly shows the attitude of the organization towards the person who works for it.

Some people at the top don't care what it feels like at the bottom since they already have everything they need. Everything they care about staying at the top. This just shows that some people really don't care about others even in a serious situation, as long as they are doing good.

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You got my point. Though it's not worthy for us to debate about this because we all have our own perspective towards the employee-employer situation. Employers don't understand why they are asking for help, it's because they don't have any problem living during the lockdown. But not all employees can afford to live for a month without a source of income.

actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency, it is a responsible business model, in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees, it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this

Every employee or even us is responsible for our own expenses. We still have the responsibility to feed ourselves and our family. But companies should also consider that not everyone is like them. Not every employee can save up for emergencies. Sometimes people's salary is just enough to budget their living expenses. It's a worker's right to receive a benefit and help from their employers during calamity and emergency.