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April 21, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
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In my opinion, casino owners should pay their employees salaries in difficult situations like now. Because of a crisis like now cooperation
is needed by all parties, it cannot just rely on government assistance. All casinos should, especially in America, be able to pay workers
even though they don't work. Because I believe the benefits gained by casino owners are huge.

Most businesses in the modern world are built on loans. You propose to burn assets (paying salaries to people who do not work and do not bring any profit) to what state of the business? Until complete bankruptcy? Or is there some reasonable point where you should stop and understand that if there is no work then there is no payment for it. The state should solve such global problems, and not business owners.

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April 21, 2020, 11:43:08 PM
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In my opinion, casino owners should pay their employees salaries in difficult situations like now. Because of a crisis like now cooperation
is needed by all parties, it cannot just rely on government assistance. All casinos should, especially in America, be able to pay workers
even though they don't work. Because I believe the benefits gained by casino owners are huge.

Most businesses in the modern world are built on loans. You propose to burn assets (paying salaries to people who do not work and do not bring any profit) to what state of the business? Until complete bankruptcy? Or is there some reasonable point where you should stop and understand that if there is no work then there is no payment for it. The state should solve such global problems, and not business owners.

You are right, they dont really consider on business owners side in regards to that matter where it not really that possible that they should obliged themselves
on supporting their employees in times like these.I wont believe in much though that gambling casino owners are in loan yet this is indeed a big business, there might
be some but most of them do succeed and profitable but i dont see the point that they would be responsible on such aide.This is governments issue or concern
not to business owners.They can donate or help but for some portion and not a permanent one.

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April 22, 2020, 12:48:16 AM
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Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.
Why will you save money "DURING" the pandemic?? You should save your money "BEFORE" an event like this will happen.

This is the problem of most workers out there. In my country, jobs also has been lost and some of the small businesses maybe will close even after this pandemic because of lack of revenue. Here also in my country, less than 50% of the people have banks so what do you expect then. Those who have savings will not be experiencing difficulties that much because they have money to spend in times like this. For those who doesn't have savings then maybe after this crisis they will learn how to save now for the next one.

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April 22, 2020, 11:09:46 AM
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Most businesses in the modern world are built on loans. You propose to burn assets (paying salaries to people who do not work and do not bring any profit) to what state of the business? Until complete bankruptcy? Or is there some reasonable point where you should stop and understand that if there is no work then there is no payment for it.
You seem to be knowledgeable enough, until I read this, I did will not realize that what you are saying is true.
Personally I was able to work in a big company in our country having a good position and I there understand that although our company is successful enough but we still have a lot of loans in the bank, and our properties are the collateral of the loan, and I think this is what the businessman are really doing to expand their business fast.


The state should solve such global problems, and not business owners.

Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

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April 22, 2020, 12:45:28 PM
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actually it is the employees obligation to gather funds for emergency like this and not blaming their employers because they are not giving them money.

disagree, it should be employer obligation to have funds to protect his worker from leave in a case of emergency,
Who told you that?it is our obligation as Employee to provide for our needs and it is not our employers because they are paying us for our works and in time of leave we must have our saved funds because we must be aware that time like this will happen if we are a responsible person.
it is a responsible business model,
you have already mentioned that here,it is just to be a MODEL but they are not Obliged to do it because it is their own prerogative .
in a way you put it, all employees will be gone during the pandemic, and casino would not be able to open due to lack of workers, when time to open, or they will have to invest money to train new employees,
Of course if that is the only way to fulfill the business needs?then why not re hire others and train them as that?
it is the best business model to keep your employees, and protect them during crisis, because in good times you will not share bonuses like crazy, you will make your fund for situations like this
again this is not their obligation mate that is my Point but i never said that Employers must abandoned their employees in this kind of time because i myself is doing some helps now in my own little ways.









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April 26, 2020, 01:20:40 PM
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Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

That is a very weak argument and you know it. The government can't send freebies to everyone. Those who are on top of the priority list will get the first preference. And you need to remember that the global economies are under severe recession. The government revenues are down, and there is a limit to what they can do here. And also, they need to spend a lot of their funds to keep the pandemic in check.
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April 26, 2020, 03:55:04 PM
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Unfortunately even if this is the right thing to do it is almost impossible to save money during an event like this since your expenses are going to go up as you buy stuff that you may need in the future just in case things get even worse, this is why it is really important to prepare ourselves beforehand so we are not caught off guard, in my country many jobs have been lost already and we are still far away of the end of the crisis so most people will get even more desperate as they find themselves out of their jobs and there is no possibility to get a new one.

Agree with this. Right now it is almost impossible to save any money. Even here in India (where the impact have been relatively muted), a huge number of people have lost their jobs. On top of that, the prices of essential items have gone up by quite a bit. It is like double whammy. First of all, you have less money available in hand, and secondly your expenses are going up.
This is happening in my country as well and like always the most affected by this are those that have very little as the small amount of money they have buys even less stuff than just a few months ago, this is why I think nothing is going to be the same after this crisis, things are going to change, I hope things change for the better and that people now understand that they cannot plan their finances expecting everything to be fine all the time, they need to have some savings to spare in the case there is some kind of crisis, but I doubt most people will do anything to prepare even after the current crisis is over.
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April 26, 2020, 05:07:17 PM
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Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

That is a very weak argument and you know it. The government can't send freebies to everyone. Those who are on top of the priority list will get the first preference. And you need to remember that the global economies are under severe recession. The government revenues are down, and there is a limit to what they can do here. And also, they need to spend a lot of their funds to keep the pandemic in check.
At some point you are correct but also bear in mind that the government especially democratic ones are being ruled by its people, not their personal stuffs or some sort of it. I don't see anything wrong from people seeking government's help at all, in fact that is their job to keep these people alive most especially in times like this. I get it, government's revenue is down since no one's working for them but every country has its asset, stocked and owned so they can easily sell it to some private individuals. But if the virus continue for 8 months, that's the time that every one should be hustlin' in legal ways at least.

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April 26, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
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Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

That is a very weak argument and you know it. The government can't send freebies to everyone. Those who are on top of the priority list will get the first preference. And you need to remember that the global economies are under severe recession. The government revenues are down, and there is a limit to what they can do here. And also, they need to spend a lot of their funds to keep the pandemic in check.
At some point you are correct but also bear in mind that the government especially democratic ones are being ruled by its people, not their personal stuffs or some sort of it. I don't see anything wrong from people seeking government's help at all, in fact that is their job to keep these people alive most especially in times like this. I get it, government's revenue is down since no one's working for them but every country has its asset, stocked and owned so they can easily sell it to some private individuals. But if the virus continue for 8 months, that's the time that every one should be hustlin' in legal ways at least.

They can ask for help from Canada. They weren't very much affected by the virus as far as the media said. Everyone had suffered the same fate while the virus still isn't yet controlled. And if it's going to take up to 8 months, it will all be chaos there as people will have nothing to eat. 

The mayor was trying to re-open vegas just recently but the union was also the ones who didn't approve this one. Re-opening Casino just isn't the solution since it will just worsen the corona pandemic. Tough time to be a politician today.

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April 30, 2020, 04:37:34 PM
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Completely agree, what's the reason of paying taxes if they can't help people.

That is a very weak argument and you know it. The government can't send freebies to everyone. Those who are on top of the priority list will get the first preference. And you need to remember that the global economies are under severe recession. The government revenues are down, and there is a limit to what they can do here. And also, they need to spend a lot of their funds to keep the pandemic in check.
At some point you are correct but also bear in mind that the government especially democratic ones are being ruled by its people, not their personal stuffs or some sort of it. I don't see anything wrong from people seeking government's help at all, in fact that is their job to keep these people alive most especially in times like this. I get it, government's revenue is down since no one's working for them but every country has its asset, stocked and owned so they can easily sell it to some private individuals. But if the virus continue for 8 months, that's the time that every one should be hustlin' in legal ways at least.
In a perfect world things should work like that, in times of need government should be able to help their population but most governments do not hold large amount of savings and any help that they may send to people is going to come from printing money and we know that this has a damaging effect over the long term on the economy, also the amount of help that they could send is going to be very limited and this crisis is not going to be resolved until a vaccine is found and that is not going to happen in this year.
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April 30, 2020, 04:42:59 PM
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Unfortunately, they are not the only one.
But it's not their fault they are not working, casinos are closed due to governments decisions because of pandemic. So, to my opinion they have the right to compensation and governments should help casinos to pay their employees.

This is something which across industries people and workers would be facing it as it is nobody fault neither the owners nor the employees. Now who would help the people is what is the question as some of the owners can make some payment and some may not be able to do it. Now how much government can bail out them is the question as even man countries does not have stimulus money to offer the package to various industries. In the end it is common people who may suffer from it.

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April 30, 2020, 05:22:41 PM
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When lockdown is applied then I don't think there is anything more that can be expected even at the company where we work, because even though the company has a reserve fund that can at least provide to its employees but still, no matter how much the reserve fund owned in the end will not be sufficient to cover every necessities of life for all employees during this lockdown. So in this case I don't think we can complain only to the company, because the main problem is clear because of the outbreak of this virus and we also as employees or workers must be aware of the problems that occur because after we realize we are in a time of global crisis which will all become difficult.

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April 30, 2020, 06:37:06 PM
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When lockdown is applied then I don't think there is anything more that can be expected even at the company where we work, because even though the company has a reserve fund that can at least provide to its employees but still, no matter how much the reserve fund owned in the end will not be sufficient to cover every necessities of life for all employees during this lockdown. So in this case I don't think we can complain only to the company, because the main problem is clear because of the outbreak of this virus and we also as employees or workers must be aware of the problems that occur because after we realize we are in a time of global crisis which will all become difficult.

EVeryone is aware of the sitaution. TIs just pity that we right now are not prepared for it. The last plague was more than decades ago and we already thought it won't happen again because of the techonogy improvements. Its hard to believe there is no vaccine yet actually.

You would hve to wonder when all these scientists today are hurrying to document what they discover a tiny piece of shits for legacy now this virus seem to make them slacky sleep.

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April 30, 2020, 07:47:21 PM
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When lockdown is applied then I don't think there is anything more that can be expected even at the company where we work, because even though the company has a reserve fund that can at least provide to its employees but still, no matter how much the reserve fund owned in the end will not be sufficient to cover every necessities of life for all employees during this lockdown. So in this case I don't think we can complain only to the company, because the main problem is clear because of the outbreak of this virus and we also as employees or workers must be aware of the problems that occur because after we realize we are in a time of global crisis which will all become difficult.

EVeryone is aware of the sitaution. TIs just pity that we right now are not prepared for it. The last plague was more than decades ago and we already thought it won't happen again because of the techonogy improvements. Its hard to believe there is no vaccine yet actually.

You would hve to wonder when all these scientists today are hurrying to document what they discover a tiny piece of shits for legacy now this virus seem to make them slacky sleep.
Thats what you called nothing can predict on what would be the future be like.Technology does progress but doesnt mean that it can solved out everything fast incase there are instances just like on what happened now.
Nothing on this world does have corresponding cure or solutions but somewhat this era is much more better if we do compare into the past where technology isnt developed too much.
On this situation in talks of casino workers salary support then i dont think that it would really be a mandated nor a responsibility by its owners yet since theres no work then its normal for them to have no salary
but the owner can consider on giving out some temporary help but doesnt mean that it would be on constant basis.

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The pandemic situation is temporary but it has taught the CEO a gold lesson about the new world work conditions.
There is no new world, things are just temporary and people are just smart enough to find ways to adopt with the current situation while  still trying to continue their business, the casino world (physical) will boom again in the future, and that's when the pandemic is over, let's just think that it's a part when they struggle but they'll recover soon.

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May 01, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
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Unfortunately, they are not the only one.
But it's not their fault they are not working, casinos are closed due to governments decisions because of pandemic. So, to my opinion they have the right to compensation and governments should help casinos to pay their employees.

I disagree.

I don't think it's the employers responsibility to pay their staff during the epidemic. Why would they?

They pay their staff for their services, e.g. serving patrons, maintaining security etc. If they are not providing these services, why should they be paid?

This is 100% on the government, not the individual businesses and corps that are losing customers. If companies are forced to pay employees now, they'll be bankrupt by the time everything reopens in a few months.

That would not solve anything long-term.

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May 01, 2020, 12:16:08 PM
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When lockdown is applied then I don't think there is anything more that can be expected even at the company where we work, because even though the company has a reserve fund that can at least provide to its employees but still, no matter how much the reserve fund owned in the end will not be sufficient to cover every necessities of life for all employees during this lockdown. So in this case I don't think we can complain only to the company, because the main problem is clear because of the outbreak of this virus and we also as employees or workers must be aware of the problems that occur because after we realize we are in a time of global crisis which will all become difficult.
It is very hard for us on what we are situation right now and I hope if the gambling casino like that help their employees because they parr also why the gambling casino become successful without them who gonna assist to the players and I think it's good to pay back them in this situation but it is only my decision but it's still depends on them what is their decision.
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many people are experiencing the effects of this pandemic, especially the food industry and many employees are laid off from work, we can only hope that this pandemic ends soon and life returns to normal again.
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May 01, 2020, 01:04:49 PM
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When lockdown is applied then I don't think there is anything more that can be expected even at the company where we work, because even though the company has a reserve fund that can at least provide to its employees but still, no matter how much the reserve fund owned in the end will not be sufficient to cover every necessities of life for all employees during this lockdown. So in this case I don't think we can complain only to the company, because the main problem is clear because of the outbreak of this virus and we also as employees or workers must be aware of the problems that occur because after we realize we are in a time of global crisis which will all become difficult.
It is very hard for us on what we are situation right now and I hope if the gambling casino like that help their employees because they parr also why the gambling casino become successful without them who gonna assist to the players and I think it's good to pay back them in this situation but it is only my decision but it's still depends on them what is their decision.
Business minded and greedy management doesn't act that way. Perhaps some of them believe that their employees, even in high-class places, are peasants. It is quite unlikely, I guess, to accept the proposal of these workers because the casino sites are all in a low-profit economy.

But still, I hope those request will gonna be fulfilled by the management since they're the one who makes the business into high-class.
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May 01, 2020, 01:24:40 PM
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When lockdown is applied then I don't think there is anything more that can be expected even at the company where we work, because even though the company has a reserve fund that can at least provide to its employees but still, no matter how much the reserve fund owned in the end will not be sufficient to cover every necessities of life for all employees during this lockdown. So in this case I don't think we can complain only to the company, because the main problem is clear because of the outbreak of this virus and we also as employees or workers must be aware of the problems that occur because after we realize we are in a time of global crisis which will all become difficult.
No one expected this to happen though.

They've said it already. Many aren't prepared for this and this includes the workers/employees. We know for a fact that some of the employees are like happy-go-lucky when they got their salary. They don't keep some of their salaries for emergency funds. If they have did it then they will not complain on the employers or in this case the casino owner. If they just kept some money then they will not say that they need their salary or at least give some goods for them.

Its hard to believe there is no vaccine yet actually.
It's a new strain of Corona Virus so it is expected that there are no virus nor vaccine for it at this moment. Scientists are doing everything to make impossible things like having a perfect cure for it in around 12-18 months. This sounds long but that is the shortest time possible that scientists can create a cure for a new virus unless they will do it this time in a shorter time then it will be better. Not hard to believe for me so lets just wait for the cure Smiley.

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