consequences of covid-19

[BADecker]

Rather, there are reports all over the Internet (though many of them are hard to find) that the number of annual accidental deaths due to hospital staff negligence, is more like a million... every year. And that is in the USA alone. So, how many is it worldwide? Multiple millions, even if we only used the low number like franky1 said above.

HA HA HA comedy gold

'more like a million'

yet the total deaths for all reasons all causes is less than 750k

hey badecker 0.75cm circle hole. and your trying to force a 1cm square into it..
um even a toddler knows that wont fit

try to actually do the research next time.. you know actually do the research
again to save telling you elsewhere too often
try to do the research

Again, the research has already been done. You can find it all over the Internet. But it won't jump out at you until you search for it.

[lucija2005]

Even if we eliminate the virus or not we are going to face consequences in both ways.
On the one hand, we are losing people's lives right now as people are dying everyday.
On the other hand, when this is going to end we are going to be on a global economic recession which is going to affect everyone on the planet and cause pain to us.

I agree with you and your thinking will be a difficult time for all of us.

[franky1]

research ~750k deaths all causes/reasons in hospital

badecker. no millions are dying due to medical error

(facepalm)
badecker still tries to fit a 1cm square in a 0.75cm hole

[lucija2005]

Even if Government lifted all CV restrictions and lockdowns today, how long would it take the people to come out of their fear, and get back to work?

Video included.


America should brace itself for 18 MONTHS of shutdowns...

In an interview on CBS's 'Face the Nation' on Sunday, Kashkari said projections for a quick economic turnaround were overly optimistic unless a vaccine for COVID-19 became available in the next few months. 

'It would be wonderful if some new therapy were developed in the next couple months,' Kashkari said. 'Then potentially we would have a V-shaped recovery' – a term which describes a steep market decline followed by a quick resurgence.

But Kashkari, who oversaw the U.S.'s Troubled Asset Relief Program implemented in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, gloomily added: '[That] barring some health-care miracle, it seems we're going to have various phases of rolling flare ups.'

Such with a process, according to Kashkari, would involve 'different parts of the economy turning back on, [and] maybe turning back off again,' as part of an 18-month strategy.

Looking ahead, Kashkari says he isn't expecting the U.S. economy to bounce back quickly.

It will take a long time for people to adjust to a normal life, but we all need to be clear that our recovery will be long.

[lucija2005]

We should take note that a pandemic will come no matter what the circumstances are. This affects everything of course and consequences is just a collateral payment for it.

The pandemic is already there, and of course it is likely to return. We must learn to live with it and hope for a vaccine that will give us at least some safety.

[lucija2005]

The consequences of COVID-1 are so bad it shook the entire world This epidemic has put all the world's people in crisis you only said we should always attempt to overcome regardless of the situation That's why everyone has got to take care to guard their health. Otherwise the results would be even direr.

I agree with you, this is a very difficult period for all of us. By solidarity with one another, we can ease the situation we are in.

[lucija2005]

Because of all the lies and false information within Covid-19 reports, we don't know what the true consequences of CV really are?

But we can see what the consequences of media lying advertising of CV are becoming.

Probably there is false information about the consequences of covid-19, however given all the events, all the diseased and all the deceased of covid-19, this is not something to be joked about. We will all bear these consequences for quite some time.

[lucija2005]

if badecker can just get off the 5 sites he looks at and links to. and actually tries to search and research
he will see alot more information.

by limiting himself to only searching his 5 main sites he goes to HE is limiting HIS knowledge of whats really going on

meanwhile many other people re smart enough to research and actualy look for things from many sources and scrutinise it.
its a pitty that badecker wants to confine himself to certain websites.. doesnt he realise that self isolation does not apply to the internet

yes badecker, you dont have to isolate yourself to your 5 bookmarked websites. feel free to explore the entire internet. find new experiences. learn new things look at new things. be free,run wild, go out into the world wide web. be free the gates are open, set yourself loose

That's right, one should not rely solely on a limited number of pages, one should be informed of certain information available throughout the internet.

[lucija2005]

It's one sad part that even after this virus, we have to face the consequence and start all over again. Just like an Earthquake, there will be an aftershock or after-effect of this virus.

And the economy will not recover as quickly as we want to. But the most important factor, many lessons are being brought by this pandemic.

Yes, this situation will bring some lessons for everyone, from economics to society, environmental protection.

[lucija2005]

According to the IMF we've been hit by the greatest recession since 2009, so the economy will remain impaired for a long time. If I were to speculate I'd say another year. Manyigger countries will recover by printing money like crazy, but slow countries won't be able to print like that so it's either debt or bankruptcy and currency reset for them.

Many countries will need help, some will recover for a long time, and they will need financial assistance. It is a difficult situation for all countries, many innocent people will suffer the consequences.

[BADecker]

Because of all the lies and false information within Covid-19 reports, we don't know what the true consequences of CV really are?

But we can see what the consequences of media lying advertising of CV are becoming.

Probably there is false information about the consequences of covid-19, however given all the events, all the diseased and all the deceased of covid-19, this is not something to be joked about. We will all bear these consequences for quite some time.

It absolutely isn't something to joke about. It is essentially all lies and fake news that is ruining the economy of the world.

[franky1]

It absolutely isn't something to joke about. It is essentially all lies and fake news that is ruining the economy of the world.

here is the point
if one media doesnt say all the details accurately. this does not make another mediaa who puts a different spin on it suppenly the gospel of truth.
dont just blindly follow a faux news site just because they have a different spin. the truth is they both can be misleading in different ways.

the trick you need to learn is to not just watch and choose left or right. but to actually listen. and take any detail mentioned and actually go research via multiple sources, and find the sources of the sources. and scrutinise it.
and find which detail has merit and which does not
EG if 60% of a narative has merit. but then 40% doesnt have factual merit. you dont just accept and believe the 40% must be true because the 60% was

take del bigtree's details of speaking to a doctor. that doctor was not ICU trained. and was not fully understanding the hospital policy. he messed up by doing ARDS treatment on a fully alert and mild symptom patient.
ARDS (acute respiratory DISTRESS syndrom) is not for people happily talking with a mild but comfortable breathing pattern
dont just believe his story 'because doctor' actually work out what type of doctor he is and work out what that hospitals policy is for treatment and work out if its the policy thats flawed or the doctor was incompetent in a speciality he was temporarily placed. also dont then just generally believe del bigtrees other claims simply because he 'asked a doctor'

by the way in that same video from a few days ago. bigtree done a graph of the china spread and saying how the peak was mid february but didnt lockdown till after.
no china locked down in january a few weeks before the peak. and it was the lockdown that caused it to peak at a low number
there are many many sources that can show when wuhan locked down in january
the virus is only incubating, manifesting symptoms, contagious for a few weeks. so even the maths adds up

the reason other countries are not reaching a peak in 2-3weeks is because people are not isolating and not doing the same things as china did. thus a few more people still get it. mainly due to ignorant people who think rules dont apply to them

[Tash]

consequences of covid-19

We will be free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9umvJFIRUdY

[franky1]

when lockdown ends. the virus is not gone
people will still need to socially distance
certain things wil still be impossible. like going to a moshpit music concert
- dont expect music concerts this summer -

expect certain shops that cant really function at a social distance to open. so small cafe's where people sit 3foot apart will be a no-no
it will take along time for people to get use to a social distance routine even when doing normalish things
but if they lift the self isolation part. and you dont want it to spread so fast to risk hospital overload. then dont touch or lick random people or things.

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long term
governments need to change policies to prepare for future events.
there may be another pandemic in future or something else like an earthquake/storm.. or mass shooting
EG have enough resources to cope with a mass storm/earthquake/shooting/future pandemc. and be prepared, not reactive.

policies of how funding is allotted where we can see governments still can function without the need of fancy offices and private jet planes. skype can bring the requirement of bureaucratic costs down of office dwellers. and more money going to front line services and recruit more people into these roles.
.. well thats the utopia plan.. but i think that things will just go back to usual capitalist greed as if an mass pandemic sidnt happen

[COVID-19]

The world will not be the same after me.

when lockdown ends. the virus is not gone
people will still need to socially distance
certain things wil still be impossible. like going to a moshpit music concert
- dont expect music concerts this summer -

So true.Socially distance sucks big time!

[tvbcof]

The world will not be the same after me.

when lockdown ends. the virus is not gone
people will still need to socially distance
certain things wil still be impossible. like going to a moshpit music concert
- dont expect music concerts this summer -

So true.Socially distance sucks big time!

Reminds me of the good old days:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEH2fk0ONag

[Spendulus]

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the reason other countries are not reaching a peak in 2-3weeks is because people are not isolating and not doing the same things as china did. thus a few more people still get it. mainly due to ignorant people who think rules dont apply to them

This is too stupid to be fake news.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/15/hes-scary-stupid-new-york-cyclist-singled-out-in-chris-cuomo-radio-rant-files-police-report/

[franky1]

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the reason other countries are not reaching a peak in 2-3weeks is because people are not isolating and not doing the same things as china did. thus a few more people still get it. mainly due to ignorant people who think rules dont apply to them

This is too stupid to be fake news.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/15/hes-scary-stupid-new-york-cyclist-singled-out-in-chris-cuomo-radio-rant-files-police-report/

i think it probably is true and is an example of both sides not thinking
1. the presenter was not in his own home... (the already built one saying isolated)
2. the neighbour decided to go near someone he knew who had it and think his rants would immortalise him

in short if you are roaming about carelessly to get near someone that you know has corona..... you too close. go in a different direction.
if you have corona. stay the hell indoors

[BADecker]

research ~750k deaths all causes/reasons in hospital

badecker. no millions are dying due to medical error

(facepalm)
badecker still tries to fit a 1cm square in a 0.75cm hole

The reason why some of the medical is outside of being sued for their killing of people, is that when you come to the medical for help, it is you who have made the error. So, it's your fault. The courts base the medical error on your agreement with the medical people rather than the idea that the medical reached out to you and killed you.

The only way you can fight your own contract with the medical, is to show that they stepped outside of their contract in some way. But this is difficult, because their contracts have fine print that are worded to protect doctors rather than the patient. And because people are not attorneys, and often don't even read the fine print, they are the ones that are responsible for their own deaths, legally. So, their deaths are not reported as being done by the medical, even though most clinic/hospital deaths are being done by medical personnel.

The best safety lies in slowly learning how to self-heal through nutrition and whatever homeopathy you can get away with. Start young, so that you are healthy enough to not be harmed by your own testing on yourself. Then, when you are in your 80s or 90s, and the time comes for you to naturally die, just allow yourself to go. Why be tortured by medical garbage that is designed to make you into a statistic, while at the same time testing on you for whatever purposes the medical might have.

Your choice, however.

[BADecker]

It absolutely isn't something to joke about. It is essentially all lies and fake news that is ruining the economy of the world.

here is the point
if one media doesnt say all the details accurately. this does not make another mediaa who puts a different spin on it suppenly the gospel of truth.
dont just blindly follow a faux news site just because they have a different spin. the truth is they both can be misleading in different ways.

Here's the bigger point. Finding the media that is telling the truth. The people at The Highwire back up what they say with real, irrefutable evidence. Check them out. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq6oOuhSx7ESreh6m9LGy6Q/videos

Of course, people can talk themselves into just about anything that they want to believe. And they don't have to say what they believe. The only time that you can really tell if a person is speaking what he believes, is when he is in extreme pain or extreme joy.